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Arcushek Dion
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Posted - 2012.07.18 05:48:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Armatsu wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:Armatsu wrote:As a thought since fielding troops will be an issue for CCP (meaning a max number of players on a battlefield at a time) what are peoples thoughts on corps going after clones?
For instance say for instance we have the same numbers for ambush (24 total and 12 a side). 12 people should be relatively easy to field even for smaller corps. In the true essence of EVE where money is power, why not translate funds into clones?
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Both sides are even and field 12 players. This now comes down to which 12 players are better at the game. That sounds good for DUST but that isn't going to fly in EVE if this battle is for an important planet. Instead, after fielding 12 players, allow the corps to purchase clones. Now it comes down to a battle of attrition and the more powerful corporation winning. What you would see now are large corps being able to muscle the battle by supplying 100+ clones compared to the medium sized ones maybe only getting enough resources for 50. This would be a similar scenario to a low sec battle where one corp brings 100+ ships and the other corp only mustering up 50. Money should not win battles and you should not be able to pay to win in a corp battle. Terrible idea. If this is like EVE online then money does win battles and you do pay to win corp battles. It isn't as blatantly obvious but in EVE a corp with a lot of money will fly out in expensive decked out ships specialized for PvP compared to a less wealthy corp where most of the members would be lucky to be flying a well fitted ratting rig. My example would be for Null sec only, it wouldn't affect low or high sec space at all. This isn't eve online though. This is dust and ccp already said this game will not be pay to win. An elite corp battle will be full of the best gear. Sure the corp with best loadouts, teamwork, and skill will win. Money will only win corp battles if the other corp is full of scrubs with militia gear while the other team have all proto gear. Elite corp battle will be on a somewhat level field. Which is how it should be.
You clearly don't understand how the higher end gameplay will work then. CCP have already stated that it may be possible to restock clones in just such a situation as long as there is a ship up in space to actually deliver them, so it will come down to attrition in that case. this is where the MMO aspect comes in. If you don't want to deal with that possibility then you'll be stuck in the kiddie pool that is hi-sec.
And as for the "This is not EVE" that people keep spouting, yes it is. it's a different gametype but it occupies the same universe. If you can't accept that simple fact then you will not survive long in this game. |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:17:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Jarre Jardox wrote:Crimson wen u face the blobs of the goons or the fiery of AAA guns raining down on u from orbit I hope then tht u finally realize this isn't just dust THIS IS EVE where isk can buy u anything including cheep women (exotic dancers gotta love um). So please take ur unsopported opinion back to whatever game u came from or embrace the EVE universe in all its glory where u can own large sections of the universe, lose everything to a corp thief, make drugs, shoot the police, and make some of the best friends (and enemies) u ever had.
Good day sir! My unsupported opinion?  wow and i'm the troll. You cannot buy the win with isk in high end corp battles because everyone has good gear. Thats all I was trying to say. If dust and eve were the same game dust simply would have been another patch for eve but its not. Its a different game with a different name that will be interconnected by one universe. That is not that hard to understand. Just because it says dust and eve on the same page does not mean they are the same game. Its not like I can play eve from dust on my console and I can't play dust from my PC. They are two separate games. Fail troll is fail.
So what happens when one side in an equally matched corp battle gets OB support while the other doesn't because the one side's EVE ally's fleet gets destroyed? Doesn't that unbalance the match right there. You just don't seem to get that CCP will not enforce balance on that level. If one side figures out a way to give their side a leg up in the match that is within the rules of the game then CCP will allow it and won't interfere. This has ALWAYS been CCP's policy and there is no speculation here this WILL transfer to Dust as well.
This follows back to my original reply to you, if in for instance an ambush match one sides EVE ally's can deliver more clones to the surface while the other side can't because they have control of the space above where the match is taking place then this will be well within the rules of the game. If you're looking for perfectly balanced matches then you are going to need to wait for the esports expansion coming next year. Until then all's fair in love and war. |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:25:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Jarre Jardox wrote:Yes I'd say quite unsupported. I haven't seen any other poster yet back u up, wen I do I will retract my statement about ur unsupported opinion. Also I'd like to defend the op since ur making a big deal about subject changing. Yes I absolutely believe tht in hi end corporation matches u should absolutely be able to buy more clones provided there is an Eve ship in orbit supplying the clones. I think others would agree with me. This is the same thing as having a carrier (thts one of the largest logistics ships in Eve just so u know crimson) drop off ships for the players who just lost their ship in large scale battle. I have 61 likes.  Some people support my opinions. High end competitive corp battles should be about who is better not who has more isk. I shouldn't even have to explain why. You obviously know nothing about competitive fps. I feel like i'm in the twilight zone and im in a alternate universe where no one understands how competitive fps works. What is wrong with you people?
You're referring to competative fps where the only thing you're competing for is who is the biggest score *****. In Dust you will be competing for stuff that will make you and your allies large amounts of isk. In that respect you're l33t kdr means sweet **** all if you can't put wins on the board. The win is ALL that matters to your employers. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to understand. |
Arcushek Dion
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:35:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:The core of the game, the auto-matches based on Skirmish or Ambush or whatever game modes, needs to be balanced as well as possible. That's what most players will occupy their time with, and if it isn't balanced at all, it won't be fun, and people won't stick around long enough for corp wars stuff.
But yeah, otherwise I'd say it should be like WoT Clan Matches. You bring whatever you want, up to the max number of players. If the other team can't muster anything more than a couple guys in traktors, then they lose and tough **** for them, only ZERG clans need apply. fixd So you would rather have this game be zerg>skill. That is really weak. The fans will ruin this game if they get the chance. Mark my words. CCP if you listen to some of these eve players ideas and give them the imbalances they want there will be 3000 people playing your game 6 months from now. This is a console game not eve online. Eve is all about imbalance. Dust cannot be if it wants be a success.
/facepalm
war is not an e-sport.
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