You guys are comparing this to EVE but this not EVE, yes it takes place in the EVE universe but there are key differences. Team killing mechanics for an FPS are very different then those of a point and click space ship battle. People will still be able to back stab if they want, also there are different security levels so this could only implemented in high sec or whatever. Also with the arena battles is could be an option that is turned on or off. EVE players need to get out of this mentality that this has to be EXACTLY like EVE. An FPS is vastly different then that spaceship game you play. They are in the same universe so there will be similarities but with the two genres there will be key differences.

You guys are comparing this to EVE but this not EVE, yes it takes place in the EVE universe but there are key differences. Team killing mechanics for an FPS are very different then those of a point and click space ship battle. People will still be able to back stab if they want, also there are different security levels so this could only implemented in high sec or whatever. Also with the arena battles is could be an option that is turned on or off. EVE players need to get out of this mentality that this has to be EXACTLY like EVE. An FPS is vastly different then that spaceship game you play. They are in the same universe so there will be similarities but with the two genres there will be key differences.

In Eve, I shot and destroyed several several mining ships in high sec without provocation and without a war declaration. Even though I suffered a sec status hit, I can easily go around that. So far, CCP has not forced me to reimburse those poor miners for the loss of their vessels. I do not, in any way, feel any remorse for doing that. It's just business.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=1373455&m=5&y=2012

In Dust, I saw people disregard several orders when I told them to stick together and focus on the objective. One was just running and gunning blindly on his own while the other was shooting swarm launcher rockets at the MCC. Then there was the tank that was shooting at the MCC when we needed him to focus fire on the enemy tanks (he ignored our comms). I sooooooooooooooooooooo want to shoot them for their insubordination.

In Dust, once corporations will be implemented, spies will be a tool used by our enemies to ruin our day... just like in Eve. Even if they suffer a penalty for betraying their corp mates, they will quickly be compensated by the enemy corporation they officially serve.

Why not give a commander the option to yank that persons clone once he gets killed or team mates kill him. Something like cutting off his up-link? So you could still have the edge of always a possible spy/sabotage like in eve, just at this point you have to make your betrayal count. Just like you would see in Eve. You get turned on, you can destroy their ship, then pod them.

I think it would keep that New Eden feel we're all looking for.

it's a tough one...

teamkilling cannot go completely unpunished. it would be ridiculous. what would stop a pissed off CoD fanboy from joining and murdering unsuspecting teammates just to waste their isk? 1 ******* could render entire matches unplayable.

but i don't think carlos' plan would work. what if it's a newbie alt with no isk? or what happens if you defend yourself? do you suddenly owe HIM something?


i kinda think friendly fire should just stay off. if you wanna backstab you can backstab by intentionally shooting over the "enemys" heads. or telling them where your "teammates" are in match, or emptying out the corp coffers out of it.



remember, eve HAS no matchmaking. anybody you team up with you DECIDED to team up with. so a teamkill in eve is a betrayal of a built up trust. a teamkill in dust could very well just be some random ******* the game TOLD me was my teammate for the next 15 minutes, greifing everybody he meets.

Properly screen your recruits and you don't have to worry about the bitter CoD children. Problem solved.

CCP has already confirmed that highsec will have matchmaking, and a PlanetSide grief point system would be workable. Lowsec and highsec? WTF are you doing there with pugs? You CHOSE to go there with pugs, you reap what you sow. In nullsec I shouldn't even need to explain, what are you doing there with pugs in the first place?

because they have before

Lets see, if you shoot a vehicle that a teammate is hacking and you kill them its your fault, if you can't let go of R1 when a teammate gets in front of you its your fault, if a teammate turns a corner and shoots you its their fault. I don't see your point, all of the issues you listed can be avoided through smart play. Besides I said Percentage based if you put 1 bullet into teammate you DON'T pay the full cost.

so basically what you're saying is i can't play any game mode ever unless i personally know my entire team, and we all join together? you realize that is idiotic right?

Not sure if I agree with there being a penalty for killing a teammate if FF gets turned on, since I've been in many instances where I've been blasting away at an enemy only to have some 'tard on my team run right in front of me trying to get the kill. Penalties should be handled by the corps themselves, not by CCP.

Most of you are against so I guess I'm wrong, but this game has a lot of potential for accidental team killing. With so many splash damage based method to kill, accidental team kills will become far too frequent. Have a punishment for team killing will promote smart play, but since none of you want that then fine, everyone just play and don't give a f**k about you teammates.

Edit: you guys know that you won't only be playing corp battles right? I'm pretty sure you will find yourself in a public battle at least once.

so basically what you're saying is i can't play any game mode ever unless i personally know my entire team, and we all join together? you realize that is idiotic right?

Take your fudging finger off the fudging button. Penalty should be there for exactly this reason.

Take your fudging finger off the fudging button. Penalty should be there for exactly this reason.

One thing that might ease your mind is no FF in high sec. Not sure how even nanites explain that but that is how it will be.

For the record, there are ALWAYS ways to ruin someones day as a blue dot, even without direct FF. Ramming them to death for example.

Along with negative SP and WP for team killing I believe the perpetrator should pay the victim the equivalent cost of the dropsuit fit they lost. Now before you freak out, it should be percentage based, so if a teammate does 10% of the damage to you then 10% of the dropsuit cost you lost is transferred from their account into yours. It doesn't have to be a team kill, if an enemy kills you and a teammate puts a couple of bullets in your back they should pay the damage equivalent. For aurum dropsuit fits they would pay the isk equivalent cost. I have no game programming experience so I have no idea if something like this would be possible to keep track of or if it could be implemented but if it could I believe it would be a great idea.

Those against this would most likely be the people who are highly prone to team kill, random grenade throwers, vehicle gunners who will shoot into crowds without considering who is a friend or foe, those to have a hard time letting go of R1 with a teammate in front of them, etc.

So what do you guys think?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

HighSec - Loss of standing (as in EVE), and Concord fines paid to the player(s) killed. The value paid is the cost of gear you destroyed, modified for the victim's standing (lower standing = less fine for killing you), and the payment is forwarded on to the player(s) TKed. An Assist have no effect on your standing, but 1/4 of the teammate's replacement costs will be paid as a fine.

LowSec - No punishment for Assists, and fines reduced by an appropriate amount (approx 30 - 50%). Loss of standing will also be significantly lower than in HighSec.

NullSec - What are these "rules" you speak of?

In HighSec, known TKers will be flagged thanks to their low standing, and players will know to be cautious about incoming fire, and less cautious about outgoing fire in that player's direction. In LowSec, it will take significantly worse standing for this to happen, and in NullSec, there's no penalty. If someone is bad enough to get flagged in LowSec, they MIGHT be bad enough that in HighSec, they're marked as a Concord bounty. In this instance, a bounty marker will appear near the teammate indicator, and a reward will be paid out for killing said player instead of incurring a fine.

Just posting to say that charging the teamkiller the loss of the suit due to negligence might be one of the best ways to punish teamkilling (other than kicking him out of the match). I don't think anything else should be reimbursed though; just the dropsuit.

Think about it; Dust 514 has no insurance system at the moment. This could serve as that, while subsequently working to discourage the random teamkiller/griefer (spies and genuine traitors won't give two damns about the isk loss).

but not all game modes will be outlaw systems. and you only need 1 griefer to ruin a match.

what people are suggesting will make the ENTIRE GAME unplayable unless you have an ENTIRE TEAM worth of friends online. even if me and my gang outnumber the greifers 10:1 in a given match, we're now stuck playing against THEM instead of playing against the other team.

Simply, no. Almost no teamkills are ever negligence on the part of the one shooting. Nearly 100% of teamkills are either A) deliberately killing a teammate, or B) the idiot on your team was negligent and ran in front of your line of fire.