It shoul give them the option to repay you. Ricochet would work great tbh. Think runnin man/battle royale style necklaces for all clones. You TK? You go pop. Simple. Or just make 5 in a game an auto kick. Tbh friendly fire isn't as important as getting the guns firing decently. TK's suck, but it sucks even more if the guys killed you with a scifi water pistol.

Did I offend you? Or do you just want to team kill? How would any of that a.) be idiotic b.) go against everything in New Eden?
And people wonder where the phrase EvEtard comes from....tsk tsk

Why not give a commander the option to yank that persons clone once he gets killed or team mates kill him. Something like cutting off his up-link? So you could still have the edge of always a possible spy/sabotage like in eve, just at this point you have to make your betrayal count. Just like you would see in Eve. You get turned on, you can destroy their ship, then pod them.

I think it would keep that New Eden feel we're all looking for.

it's a tough one...

teamkilling cannot go completely unpunished. it would be ridiculous. what would stop a pissed off CoD fanboy from joining and murdering unsuspecting teammates just to waste their isk? 1 ******* could render entire matches unplayable.

but i don't think carlos' plan would work. what if it's a newbie alt with no isk? or what happens if you defend yourself? do you suddenly owe HIM something?


i kinda think friendly fire should just stay off. if you wanna backstab you can backstab by intentionally shooting over the "enemys" heads. or telling them where your "teammates" are in match, or emptying out the corp coffers out of it.



remember, eve HAS no matchmaking. anybody you team up with you DECIDED to team up with. so a teamkill in eve is a betrayal of a built up trust. a teamkill in dust could very well just be some random ******* the game TOLD me was my teammate for the next 15 minutes, greifing everybody he meets.

Most of you are against so I guess I'm wrong, but this game has a lot of potential for accidental team killing. With so many splash damage based method to kill, accidental team kills will become far too frequent. Have a punishment for team killing will promote smart play, but since none of you want that then fine, everyone just play and don't give a f**k about you teammates.

Edit: you guys know that you won't only be playing corp battles right? I'm pretty sure you will find yourself in a public battle at least once.

so basically what you're saying is i can't play any game mode ever unless i personally know my entire team, and we all join together? you realize that is idiotic right?

Take your fudging finger off the fudging button. Penalty should be there for exactly this reason.

One thing that might ease your mind is no FF in high sec. Not sure how even nanites explain that but that is how it will be.

For the record, there are ALWAYS ways to ruin someones day as a blue dot, even without direct FF. Ramming them to death for example.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

HighSec - Loss of standing (as in EVE), and Concord fines paid to the player(s) killed. The value paid is the cost of gear you destroyed, modified for the victim's standing (lower standing = less fine for killing you), and the payment is forwarded on to the player(s) TKed. An Assist have no effect on your standing, but 1/4 of the teammate's replacement costs will be paid as a fine.

LowSec - No punishment for Assists, and fines reduced by an appropriate amount (approx 30 - 50%). Loss of standing will also be significantly lower than in HighSec.

NullSec - What are these "rules" you speak of?

In HighSec, known TKers will be flagged thanks to their low standing, and players will know to be cautious about incoming fire, and less cautious about outgoing fire in that player's direction. In LowSec, it will take significantly worse standing for this to happen, and in NullSec, there's no penalty. If someone is bad enough to get flagged in LowSec, they MIGHT be bad enough that in HighSec, they're marked as a Concord bounty. In this instance, a bounty marker will appear near the teammate indicator, and a reward will be paid out for killing said player instead of incurring a fine.

Just posting to say that charging the teamkiller the loss of the suit due to negligence might be one of the best ways to punish teamkilling (other than kicking him out of the match). I don't think anything else should be reimbursed though; just the dropsuit.

Think about it; Dust 514 has no insurance system at the moment. This could serve as that, while subsequently working to discourage the random teamkiller/griefer (spies and genuine traitors won't give two damns about the isk loss).

i think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. a team kill in dust is NOT analogous to a hi-sec kill in eve.

in eve, even in hi-sec, i'm not teamed up with every other player. i have no reason to trust them, and we have made no common cause together. me and that other random whatever ship are not forced to work together to defeat some common enemy just by virtue of being in hi-sec at the same time...

yet in dust we WILL be. even in hi-sec matches it will be "us" against "them", i don't get veto power over who the "us" is. my lot is AUTOMATICALLY tied to a complete stranger.



also, i looked up grief points. that might have worked if i didn't have to pay for my ****.. but i do, so ANY intentional team killing by FORCED teammates is too much...

I'm sorry. How does this refute the idea?

Ah, ok. I understand now.

I figured however that some sort of reimbursement wouldn't hurt. After all, in Eve your ship is reimbursed regardless of circumstances (well, there are exeptions). I'd rather Dust not use NPC money for that, so the idea has the potential to kill two birds with one stone. It doesn't really stop the dedicated griefer from killing the victim over and over (until, of course, kicked).

In the end, what I mean to say is that I don't want to reward the victim so much as reimburse them part of the loss, while punishing the team killer (whether it was accidental or otherwise).