DUST Search - A Reasonable Punishment for Team Killing When CCP Turns On FF

Geirskoegul wrote:

Buzzwords wrote:

it's a tough one...

teamkilling cannot go completely unpunished. it would be ridiculous. what would stop a pissed off CoD fanboy from joining and murdering unsuspecting teammates just to waste their isk? 1 ******* could render entire matches unplayable.

but i don't think carlos' plan would work. what if it's a newbie alt with no isk? or what happens if you defend yourself? do you suddenly owe HIM something?

i kinda think friendly fire should just stay off. if you wanna backstab you can backstab by intentionally shooting over the "enemys" heads. or telling them where your "teammates" are in match, or emptying out the corp coffers out of it.

remember, eve HAS no matchmaking. anybody you team up with you DECIDED to team up with. so a teamkill in eve is a betrayal of a built up trust. a teamkill in dust could very well just be some random ******* the game TOLD me was my teammate for the next 15 minutes, greifing everybody he meets.

Properly screen your recruits and you don't have to worry about the bitter CoD children. Problem solved.

CCP has already confirmed that highsec will have matchmaking, and a PlanetSide grief point system would be workable. Lowsec and highsec? WTF are you doing there with pugs? You CHOSE to go there with pugs, you reap what you sow. In nullsec I shouldn't even need to explain, what are you doing there with pugs in the first place?


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Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 17:55:00 - [1] - Quote it's a tough one... teamkilling cannot go completely unpunished. it would be ridiculous. what would stop a pissed off CoD fanboy from joining and murdering unsuspecting teammates just to waste their isk? 1 ***** could render entire matches unplayable. but i don't think carlos' plan would work. what if it's a newbie alt with no isk? or what happens if you defend yourself? do you suddenly owe HIM something? i kinda think friendly fire should just stay off. if you wanna backstab you can backstab by intentionally shooting over the "enemys" heads. or telling them where your "teammates" are in match, or emptying out the corp coffers out of it. remember, eve HAS no matchmaking. anybody you team up with you DECIDED to team up with. so a teamkill in eve is a betrayal of a built up trust. a teamkill in dust could very well just be some random ***** the game TOLD me was my teammate for the next 15 minutes, greifing everybody he meets. EDIT: alternately, friendly fire could toggle by game mode. for the "battle moons" and faction warfare matches, it would be off. (anything that has matchmaking basically) but for corp battles (things that are invite only and you get invited by side) be they for sov or just bragging rights, it would be on with NO punishment at all.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:04:00 - [2] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Buzzwords wrote: it's a tough one... teamkilling cannot go completely unpunished. it would be ridiculous. what would stop a pissed off CoD fanboy from joining and murdering unsuspecting teammates just to waste their isk? 1 ***** could render entire matches unplayable. but i don't think carlos' plan would work. what if it's a newbie alt with no isk? or what happens if you defend yourself? do you suddenly owe HIM something? i kinda think friendly fire should just stay off. if you wanna backstab you can backstab by intentionally shooting over the "enemys" heads. or telling them where your "teammates" are in match, or emptying out the corp coffers out of it. remember, eve HAS no matchmaking. anybody you team up with you DECIDED to team up with. so a teamkill in eve is a betrayal of a built up trust. a teamkill in dust could very well just be some random ***** the game TOLD me was my teammate for the next 15 minutes, greifing everybody he meets. Properly screen your recruits and you don't have to worry about the bitter CoD children. Problem solved. CCP has already confirmed that highsec will have matchmaking, and a PlanetSide grief point system would be workable. Lowsec and highsec? WTF are you doing there with pugs? You CHOSE to go there with pugs, you reap what you sow. In nullsec I shouldn't even need to explain, what are you doing there with pugs in the first place? so basically what you're saying is i can't play any game mode ever unless i personally know my entire team, and we all join together? you realize that is idiotic right?
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote but not all game modes will be outlaw systems. and you only need 1 griefer to ruin a match. what people are suggesting will make the ENTIRE GAME unplayable unless you have an ENTIRE TEAM worth of friends online. even if me and my gang outnumber the greifers 10:1 in a given match, we're now stuck playing against THEM instead of playing against the other team.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:37:00 - [4] - Quote i think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. a team kill in dust is NOT analogous to a hi-sec kill in eve. in eve, even in hi-sec, i'm not teamed up with every other player. i have no reason to trust them, and we have made no common cause together. me and that other random whatever ship are not forced to work together to defeat some common enemy just by virtue of being in hi-sec at the same time... yet in dust we WILL be. even in hi-sec matches it will be "us" against "them", i don't get veto power over who the "us" is. my lot is AUTOMATICALLY tied to a complete stranger. also, i looked up grief points. that might have worked if i didn't have to pay for my ****.. but i do, so ANY intentional team killing by FORCED teammates is too much...
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:43:00 - [5] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Buzzwords wrote: i think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. a team kill in dust is NOT analogous to a hi-sec kill in eve. in eve, even in hi-sec, i'm not teamed up with every other player. i have no reason to trust them, and we have made no common cause together. me and that other random whatever ship are not forced to work together to defeat some common enemy just by virtue of being in hi-sec at the same time... yet in dust we WILL be. even in hi-sec matches it will be "us" against "them", i don't get veto power over who the "us" is. my lot is AUTOMATICALLY tied to a complete stranger. also, i looked up grief points. that might have worked if i didn't have to pay for my ****.. but i do, so ANY intentional team killing by FORCED teammates is too much... You are forgetting that corps will form and you will be given the option to join a player-run, well-managed corp on day one of your character's creation. but now we're right back to my other point, am i not going to be able to play ANYTHING unless i bring my ENTIRE team along with me?
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.07.17 19:14:00 - [6] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: Buzzwords wrote: i think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. a team kill in dust is NOT analogous to a hi-sec kill in eve. in eve, even in hi-sec, i'm not teamed up with every other player. i have no reason to trust them, and we have made no common cause together. me and that other random whatever ship are not forced to work together to defeat some common enemy just by virtue of being in hi-sec at the same time... yet in dust we WILL be. even in hi-sec matches it will be "us" against "them", i don't get veto power over who the "us" is. my lot is AUTOMATICALLY tied to a complete stranger. also, i looked up grief points. that might have worked if i didn't have to pay for my ****.. but i do, so ANY intentional team killing by FORCED teammates is too much... There will be PvE, you're welcome to carebear it up there. is PVE offline? otherwise it's no different so far as this discussion is concerned...