Backstabbing isn't actually integral. It's just you EvE guys love making a quick buck/being efficient. That's just how it is.
Edit: Friendly fire IS integral

This thread is hilarious.
Welcome to New Eden. The penalty will be to their reputation (and maybe sec status).

A warm welcome to all these new "clans". People WILL get awoxed, it's a crucial part of the metagame

MAG was full of awoxers. Become member, play a bit become officer, remove all members. The games that never had clan support are in for a horrible shock hohoho

yep, people did that in socom.

Ricochet.

But as soon as you implement forced reimbursement from player funds, you introduce it as a grief mechanic in itself.

The whole point is that griefing's only DIRECT effects are INDEPENDENT of the parties involved. Insurance is paid by NPCs (and the player pays NPCs to receive more than the default 50% mineral value; all insurance has always been calculated from mineral value -- hence t2 always paying less proportionally compared to t1 -- ithe only change being switching from a fixed value to a market-related value). Concord punishes without any benefit to the person their "victim" aggressed. It's always been about consequence, but not making either side of the dispute be a beneficiary OF those consequences.

I'm fine with insurance being implemented in some form (though I must say again, I see a grief point system being more appropriate; in EVE, a team kill is either deliberate or negligence via criminally incorrect overview settings / failing to follow orders -- in a fleet op, you shouldn't ever shoot anything you aren't explicitly ordered to, with very few exceptions that almost only apply to tacklers -- in Dust, an FPS, team kills can happen due to OTHER PEOPLE being negligent, or pure, legitimate accident), it must NEVER be charged to the aggressor.

One of the core reasons the EVE system works is that you CAN choose to **** over someone else, if you're willing to accept the consequences. More than anything else, though, making the aggressors penalty actively help the victim massively discourages the action, more than it should.

The reason for this is that I can eat the loss, you might get some insurance, but my actions do not profit you at my expense. It's partially psychological, and partially the mechanic as implemented, but the psychological aspect IS important, in any game (an example of this I use is day 1 DLC, where new copies come with a code to get it free, but when people buy used, they have to pay for the DLC, versus online pass where new players play online for free but used have to pay; it's the difference between getting a free extra in the first example versus the used guy being actively denied something and having to buy it separate).

An example directly from EVE would be the bounty system on players. I can put a bounty on someone, and I may as well just have clicked "give money" rather than adding the bounty; if I make a verbal contract with a person or corp to kill the target and bring me the corpse, unless they're an alt or friend of the target or their allies, I actually get what I wanted. I pay the same in the end (in theory), but it FEELS better, because I know it gets something done and the intended victim gains nothing from it. If you make the penalty beneficially affect the victim, it's the same as using the actual bounty system: your action directly benefits the victim, thus defeating one of the main points.

I'm a bit drunk, so I'm sorry if I didn't develop or explain that further. I hope you understand the point I'm trying for. Please comment in that regard, letting me know what you think my meaning was, if it wasn't totally clear.

An example directly from EVE would be the bounty system on players. I can put a bounty on someone, and I may as well just have clicked "give money" rather than adding the bounty

why would CCP ever turn on friendly fire?

Come to think of it, wouldn't your opponent take advantage of the team-kill penalty system by simply running around within your group causing you to accidentally shoot each other as your team tries to kill the enemy that waltzed right in? I can imagine the griefers using this to their advantage.

1. Scout runs into enemy group in circles.
2. Group shoots itself.
3. ...
4. Profit from the tears.

Because having it off is terrible and dumb. It encourages such things as tossing grenades into teamates in a fight, because it will only kill the enemies, allows you to fire your HMG recklessly with no chance of repercussions, all kinds of illogical and idiotic behavior.

How many friendly fire fps games have u played? ik it seems more realistic but most people who enjoy FF think its hilarious to team kill all day and they laugh and giggle when if they did it realistically in life it would be treason and im pretty sure execution in the USA it would have to have strict guidelines and managed properly or it will not be fun but if they add the spy aspect to it then all is fair :P but the rules will have to be made and we should all have the option to not include said person in our reindeer games lol

In null sec corps should handle friendly fire incidents. In hi/low sec they could implement some sort of standings like in eve where if you repeatedly teamkill youre security status goes down. this would give your teammates a headsup at least that you have a history of teamkilling. Also putting in a system that would allow your teammates to forgive the teamkill if it is accidental would be good. so unforgiven teamkill -> effects sec status, forgiven teamkill -> no sec status penalty. Any merc who gets to low of a sec status is no longer allowed to participate in hi sec matches at all, but can participate in lowsec

well, either make it reflect back at them or let them have one but the next they get booted from the battle.

or... make them pay whoever they shot the amount that their load out costs.

I doubt CCP would put that in. They would more than likely let the high-sec "crime watch" system handle that instead of the players. In Eve Online, there are griefers who join Incursion fleets with a bunch of randoms with the intent of actually destroying their own friends because... guess what!

They're Sansha's Nation sympathizers! (role-playing)

What did CCP do? Nothing.