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DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1488	Posted - 2017.05.24 21:33:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 17185	Posted - 2017.05.24 22:01:00 - [32] - Quote ^ Plus there is a risk/reward aspect too. You can play it safe and play a suit that is average at several things, but if you choose a specialized suit, and are in the right situation, you get the advantage. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
DeadlyAztec11 10171	Posted - 2017.05.25 02:14:00 - [33] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. That would kill the player base very quickly. No one likes being stuck in a long drawn out game with nothing to do because they are at a disadvantage. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1489	Posted - 2017.05.25 09:11:00 - [34] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. That would kill the player base very quickly. No one likes being stuck in a long drawn out game with nothing to do because they are at a disadvantage. Call of Duty prevents disadvantages; huge player base Battlefield 1 prevents disadvantages; huge player base Titanfall 2 prevents disadvantages; huge player base Overwatch prevents disadvantages; huge player base I see now, what makes a great game. People shouldn't have to overcome challenges.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1905	Posted - 2017.05.25 14:14:00 - [35] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I'm not up to date with Nova but I guess I will take a look. Is this what they have in plans, limited fits per battle? How many did we have in Dust, was it 20 or 30? I remember that it wasn't enough for me. More choices = more counters = more varied gameplay A single fit would be awful, but limited fits I would take, just for my own sanity. Trying to decide what role to switch to and then sieving through all those fits and vehicle fits... I recall renaming everything and adding little codes to the start to keep them in some sort of order, took me ******* ages, lol.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 17188	Posted - 2017.05.25 14:23:00 - [36] - Quote Except at this point there are no tanks in Nova, and we have no idea what form Nova will be taking if and when it gets to the point of vehicles. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... 2775	Posted - 2017.05.25 14:44:00 - [37] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. How do you know what suit to deploy? If you don't know and have no way of knowing then you are just blindly going into the battle hoping for the best, "I'm **** " - you'd say. Where is strategy in this? Do you know why having multiple fits was needed? Because there were strategies that allowed you to completely take over the objective without letting you to even cross the "border". You needed to adapt or surrender. Yes, you change the suit to adapt. Your team needs firepower? You bring firepower. Your team needs support? You bring support. That's how it worked. Enemy team has lots of anti shield guns. You need armour based suit or surrender. Enemy team has lots of anti armour guns. You need shield based suit or surrender. Derpty Derp wrote: A single fit would be awful, but limited fits I would take, just for my own sanity. Trying to decide what role to switch to and then sieving through all those fits and vehicle fits... I recall renaming everything and adding little codes to the start to keep them in some sort of order, took me *** ages, lol. I liked this part , organizing this whole mess paid off in the end. Vigilant Pilot Happy Hunting**
byte modal 1325	Posted - 2017.05.25 15:28:00 - [38] - Quote ^agreed. It kept the battle fluid and dynamic. All things being equal, the objectives (not A, B, C objective objects, but objectives as in short term goals) moved constantly. As a result, we were constantly having to adapt to maintain progression or defense. I stress all things being equal because I do not want the point lost on arguments of balance or some hypothetical whatever. I have plenty of issues with other factors such as those. There's no argument here really, that if you thought it was a negative, or think that whatever changes in philosophy exist for NOVA to justify abandoning that is a good idea. It was just what *some* of us loved about DUST---*part* of what we loved at least. Hey. If that's change, cool. Whatever. Enjoy it if you felt the old was bad. I hope I enjoy it too when/if the game launches. Just please, stop arguing as if those characteristics of the game were bad. Perhaps details were not thought through enough. Perhaps implementations were poor. But the general concept was not bad at all. NOVA seems to be falling more in line with some of your views on what's good and less for others. Fair enough. I'm not changing my stance on what made DUST enjoyable for me, so there's no sense to try to beat it in. And I LOVED obsessing over fittings and what suit could do what in niche contexts. It was brilliant! Even screwing around mid-battle praying someone doesn't shotgun me in the back before I can accept the change! That part of the game was a game in and of itself! Like... a shooter fidget spinner for my aging mind. There. I've had my spell again. Nothing to see here. lol ;P I guess that reads more aggressive than I really mean. Just tired of the back and forth. Let us be nostalgic. Let us mourn our losses in peace ;) <3 p.s. I think I'm probably responding in the wrong thread anyway. haha. I just noticed the OP title. Ugh. still though, I'm in line with the last half page or so. kk. ima shupitup now. curtsies kitten bacon taco (nom)

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 28047	Posted - 2017.05.25 16:07:00 - [39] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. exactly "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9330	Posted - 2017.05.25 16:39:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. exactly Do you only get to pick one suit per match? Can you switch classes when you die? Can the same class have multiple fits? Project\|Nova - What We Know So Far

DeadlyAztec11 10175	Posted - 2017.05.25 16:57:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. exactly Please elaborate Rattati, is Nova really going to rely so much on luck? Other games that do this tend to have no respawn or tend to have rounds. I'm not sure how wise it is to have no ability to change class, since that would mean that if the game is long that you may be left innefectual for the majority of the match off of pure chance. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 28047	Posted - 2017.05.25 17:56:00 - [42] - Quote you will bring a Formation to battle which is a subset of your Dropsuits. They are unmodifiable during battle. Make your strategic choices before battle. You can switch between the Dropsuits in the formation during battle, either at "Supply Depots" or on death to react to threats. These are the tactical choices you make. This means that you can choose to bring a counter to as much as you can, or simply specialize. It may also require you to plan with your squad and/or team on who's bringing what. Teamwork may prove the tipping point. Strategy + Tactics + Teamwork = Success "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14325	Posted - 2017.05.25 18:12:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: you will bring a Formation to battle which is a subset of your Dropsuits. They are unmodifiable during battle. Make your strategic choices before battle. You can switch between the Dropsuits in the formation during battle, either at "Supply Depots" or on death to react to threats. These are the tactical choices you make. This means that you can choose to bring a counter to as much as you can, or simply specialize. It may also require you to plan with your squad and/or team on who's bringing what. Teamwork may prove the tipping point. Strategy + Tactics + Teamwork = Success Is there a cap on the number of fittings we may create outside of a match. I understand that you can bring 6 to a match, right? My advice to you, playa.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 28049	Posted - 2017.05.25 18:15:00 - [44] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: you will bring a Formation to battle which is a subset of your Dropsuits. They are unmodifiable during battle. Make your strategic choices before battle. You can switch between the Dropsuits in the formation during battle, either at "Supply Depots" or on death to react to threats. These are the tactical choices you make. This means that you can choose to bring a counter to as much as you can, or simply specialize. It may also require you to plan with your squad and/or team on who's bringing what. Teamwork may prove the tipping point. Strategy + Tactics + Teamwork = Success Is there a cap on the number of fittings we may create outside of a match. I understand that you can bring 6 to a match, right? to soon to tell "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Spaceman-Rob Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1080	Posted - 2017.05.25 18:47:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: you will bring a Formation to battle which is a subset of your Dropsuits. They are unmodifiable during battle. Make your strategic choices before battle. You can switch between the Dropsuits in the formation during battle, either at "Supply Depots" or on death to react to threats. These are the tactical choices you make. This means that you can choose to bring a counter to as much as you can, or simply specialize. It may also require you to plan with your squad and/or team on who's bringing what. Teamwork may prove the tipping point. Strategy + Tactics + Teamwork = Success Is there a cap on the number of fittings we may create outside of a match. I understand that you can bring 6 to a match, right? to soon to tell Nobody seems bothered to ask you this question anymore but i'll give it a shot, When is this game going to be ready for us to play, are we looking at waiting months or years?
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1906	Posted - 2017.05.25 19:05:00 - [46] - Quote Happy to hear multiple limited fits... Had me worried there for a while. Now I just have to stop myself making them all variations of the same commando... Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nobody seems bothered to ask you this question anymore but i'll give it a shot, When is this game going to be ready for us to play, are we looking at waiting months or years? There's a reason nobody's asking this question... When the answer is known, it'll be announced. They're not gonna release it and just look round saying "where is everyone, who forgot to send the memo?"
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 9335	Posted - 2017.05.25 20:02:00 - [47] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Happy to hear multiple limited fits... Had me worried there for a while. Now I just have to stop myself making them all variations of the same commando... Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nobody seems bothered to ask you this question anymore but i'll give it a shot, When is this game going to be ready for us to play, are we looking at waiting months or years? There's a reason nobody's asking this question... When the answer is known, it'll be announced. They're not gonna release it and just look round saying "where is everyone, who forgot to send the memo?" Not to mention if they're just starting to figure this stuff out, you're still a fair ways away from anything they're going to have the masses testing. Project\|Nova - What We Know So Far
DeadlyAztec11 10175	Posted - 2017.05.25 20:16:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: you will bring a Formation to battle which is a subset of your Dropsuits. They are unmodifiable during battle. Make your strategic choices before battle. You can switch between the Dropsuits in the formation during battle, either at "Supply Depots" or on death to react to threats. These are the tactical choices you make. This means that you can choose to bring a counter to as much as you can, or simply specialize. It may also require you to plan with your squad and/or team on who's bringing what. Teamwork may prove the tipping point. Strategy + Tactics + Teamwork = Success Then it is just as we suspected. It is not all together different from the majority of shooters. Crisis averted. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1491	Posted - 2017.05.25 21:19:00 - [49] - Quote Let's be honest here. How many of us wasted time or saw someone wasting time in a match because the were "making a fit?" Either because they ran out of suits or fittings, or because they wanted to specifically counter "that one guy" that killed them, nobody liked seeing that teammates borderline AFK during matches. Removing the ability to make or edit fit mid match is going to help people stay in the game.
DeadlyAztec11 10176	Posted - 2017.05.25 22:01:00 - [50] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Let's be honest here. How many of us wasted time or saw someone wasting time in a match because the were "making a fit?" Either because they ran out of suits or fittings, or because they wanted to specifically counter "that one guy" that killed them, nobody liked seeing that teammates borderline AFK during matches. Removing the ability to make or edit fit mid match is going to help people stay in the game. I wasn't aware anyone ever used that. It wastes so much time. I'm glad it won't exist in Nova. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 17189	Posted - 2017.05.25 22:06:00 - [51] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Let's be honest here. How many of us wasted time or saw someone wasting time in a match because the were "making a fit?" Either because they ran out of suits or fittings, or because they wanted to specifically counter "that one guy" that killed them, nobody liked seeing that teammates borderline AFK during matches. Removing the ability to make or edit fit mid match is going to help people stay in the game. I did lots of times because I thought I had enough of something, and I ended up dying a lot in a particular match. It was annoying, and not very easy to do mid game. Hopefully this is a more automatic process in Nova. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... 2779	Posted - 2017.05.25 23:09:00 - [52] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Let's be honest here. How many of us wasted time or saw someone wasting time in a match because the were "making a fit?" Either because they ran out of suits or fittings, or because they wanted to specifically counter "that one guy" that killed them, nobody liked seeing that teammates borderline AFK during matches. Removing the ability to make or edit fit mid match is going to help people stay in the game. I wasn't aware anyone ever used that. It wastes so much time. I'm glad it won't exist in Nova. I have a better story, of when I tried to "buy" something during a battle in lag facility. It was worse than waiting for "buy aurum" page to load in the marketplace. Anyways, this change has no real consequences. The real one will be the amount of fits you can pre-set. Again I don't see much planned teamwork outside of end game (PC), i.e. specialized fits would be less prefered (as you'd probably need to multitask). I believe that it will also depend of how the racial suits (bonuses, etc.) are going to work. In Dust it was beneficial to have the "same" fit on different faction's suits. So in Nova, I can only assume, you will need to choose : more standardized fits covering more roles OR more specialized fits covering specific roles. P.S. This can suck for medium frames (mostly assaults). Vigilant Pilot Happy Hunting
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1492	Posted - 2017.05.26 00:47:00 - [53] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Let's be honest here. How many of us wasted time or saw someone wasting time in a match because the were "making a fit?" Either because they ran out of suits or fittings, or because they wanted to specifically counter "that one guy" that killed them, nobody liked seeing that teammates borderline AFK during matches. Removing the ability to make or edit fit mid match is going to help people stay in the game. I wasn't aware anyone ever used that. It wastes so much time. I'm glad it won't exist in Nova. I have a better story, of when I tried to "buy" something during a battle in lag facility. It was worse than waiting for "buy aurum" page to load in the marketplace. Anyways, this change has no real consequences. The real one will be the amount of fits you can pre-set. Again I don't see much planned teamwork outside of end game (PC), i.e. specialized fits would be less prefered (as you'd probably need to multitask). I believe that it will also depend of how the racial suits (bonuses, etc.) are going to work. In Dust it was beneficial to have the "same" fit on different faction's suits. So in Nova, I can only assume, you will need to choose : more standardized fits covering more roles OR more specialized fits covering specific roles. P.S. This can suck for medium frames (mostly assaults). I only had three real fits. proto cal assault, proto cal HAV were my main ones, and then a proto calmando that i used if i need to run both infantry/vehicle support 80% of my time in Dust was spent in cal assault standard and 10% in my cal HAV. i really didn't need anything else. a couple times i used a special case fit for a particular job, but that was it
Mejt0 Made in Poland... 2779	Posted - 2017.05.26 11:50:00 - [54] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: I only had three real fits. proto cal assault, proto cal HAV were my main ones, and then a proto calmando that i used if i need to run both infantry/vehicle support 80% of my time in Dust was spent in cal assault standard and 10% in my cal HAV. i really didn't need anything else. a couple times i used a special case fit for a particular job, but that was it You were limitng yourself or you didn't participate in battles where you need different fits for different objectives . I'm not going to elabotere on it too much as it's in the past. EQ was the major part in my opinion. As you'd often run nanohives/scanner (+links if you could) for pubs and uplinks for all else. Scouts, fits under 27dB, fits under 21dB and fits under 15dB. The lower you go the more combat potential you lose. So there is no point in gimping yourself if the situation doesn't ask for it. Vigilant Pilot Happy Hunting
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6327	Posted - 2017.05.26 15:22:00 - [55] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. I liked being able to change my suit's loadout mid match, and then pick up said suit at a supply depot Even if it was wasting time, instead of having a million suits with little changes, I could say, swap out a flux grenade on my AV fit if there was a bunch of shield tanks, or create a custom fit while waiting for an ally to drop an uplink New video series!: Nova Weekly
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 1913	Posted - 2017.05.26 17:57:00 - [56] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: I only had three real fits. proto cal assault, proto cal HAV were my main ones, and then a proto calmando that i used if i need to run both infantry/vehicle support 80% of my time in Dust was spent in cal assault standard and 10% in my cal HAV. i really didn't need anything else. a couple times i used a special case fit for a particular job, but that was it You were limitng yourself or you didn't participate in battles where you need different fits for different objectives . I'm not going to elabotere on it too much as it's in the past. EQ was the major part in my opinion. As you'd often run nanohives/scanner (+links if you could) for pubs and uplinks for all else. Scouts, fits under 27dB, fits under 21dB and fits under 15dB. The lower you go the more combat potential you lose. So there is no point in gimping yourself if the situation doesn't ask for it. I didn't scout, but I totally had different level needles depending on the pub teamwork level... I'm not paying for a protato needle if you're all gonna just suicide in 2 seconds anyway! I was usually too lazy to run my logi suit, I liked my fat-suit with 2 guns too much, so just swapping between hive/needle/uplink and even occasionally a rep tool was quite handy at times. Not to mention keeping the scrubby free medic suit a the top of the list, so if I were stood next to a supply depo when someone called an orbital I could swap before it got me... No cost, skraaaab. I guess with less fitting slots in the match, if they introduce vehicles at some point, I'm gonna be screwed, what with having to bring the remote explosives for the jihaaad, and the sentinel with nova knife to max hp as a turret gunner... Lets hope I don't need a pilot suit to fly a drophip, lol.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1493	Posted - 2017.05.27 00:07:00 - [57] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: I only had three real fits. proto cal assault, proto cal HAV were my main ones, and then a proto calmando that i used if i need to run both infantry/vehicle support 80% of my time in Dust was spent in cal assault standard and 10% in my cal HAV. i really didn't need anything else. a couple times i used a special case fit for a particular job, but that was it You were limitng yourself or you didn't participate in battles where you need different fits for different objectives . I'm not going to elabotere on it too much as it's in the past. EQ was the major part in my opinion. As you'd often run nanohives/scanner (+links if you could) for pubs and uplinks for all else. Scouts, fits under 27dB, fits under 21dB and fits under 15dB. The lower you go the more combat potential you lose. So there is no point in gimping yourself if the situation doesn't ask for it. if you got experience and know the meta, you can be ready for anything. and i was... with pretty much one single fit. just gotta know how to use it. general purpose fit + experience is better than specialized anything, but you can always counter the special stuff if you know their limitations
byte modal 1329	Posted - 2017.05.27 00:36:00 - [58] - Quote Gratz. I enjoyed the fittings and customizations. kitten bacon taco (nom)
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 1493	Posted - 2017.05.27 01:38:00 - [59] - Quote byte modal wrote: Gratz. I enjoyed the fittings and customizations. Yet we played the same game. Funny how that works. see? something for everyone. im sure it must've pained some people to see such potential for variety and uniqueness in fitting boil down to meta and fotm fits
Clone D Solo Zen 2251	Posted - 2017.05.27 03:21:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just cant shake that they dont want to let you adjust or even switch suits mid match. Weak af :/ best thing ever. I hated that I didn't need to form any strategy with any particular suit. I could always run and change suits. sniper in the redline with officer until someone came after me and change suit. oh you have a tank? change suit and counter. oh you thought my team was going to use the same trick from last game and now you deployed in wrong suit? just change suits Some people would just switch into a suicide suit just to blow up a tank, then switch back, like the tank never was there. I like knowing that if you deploy in the wrong suit... you're at a disadvantage. exactly I think the controversy here is that the painted image of the sci fi world of EVE is a place where consciousness can be transferred to a new body instantaneously and clones are manifested in mere seconds. There seems to be a discontinuity between that concept and limiting a player to a subset of loadouts during a match. The game designer may intend to enforce personal ideas that would ideally result in "more fun for all", however given the nature of the EVE universe, these fun rules may be perceived by some players in an oppressing light as imposing contrivances that dictate play style.



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