I have played against Romulus Hex many times and he is plenty capable of destroying most of the players in this game even without the melee or myofibs.

You must not be familiar with the accuracy Romulus has with the Plasma Cannon.

One of the issues that myro-use brings but is rarely touched on is that they grant the user a get-out-jail-free card when they're caught with their pants down; they rush into an engagement all guns blazing without checking out the situation properly (which is dumb play) and they get flanked by a red-dot who took the time to skirt around the engagement and pick his target wisely (which is a great play). By "rights" (and I use that term in its loosest sense here) the flanker should be rewarded with, at the very least, a solid advantage over his opponent leading to a probable kill confirmed. But if that dumb-play player has myros equiped? Pfft. Jump backwards to break aim tracking, spin mid-air to the direction of the attacker, land with barely a scratch and now it's an even 1v1. Or not, because the jumper *will* jump, using splash damage to mitigate the loss of aim whilst mid-air.

It's infuriating, especially when newer players are trying to use their brains and cunning to make up for the sp deficit they have when compaired to older vets. Adapt or die? Explain how. Because waiting for them to land so you can shoot them with your service rifle puts you at a significant dps disadvantage when your opponent is landing free hits on you whilst they're in the air.

Honestly, I just want them to come with a charge-to-jump mechanic, because that would fix nearly every issue we're having with them right now.

A charge jump, that takes twice as much stamina to get the max height.

To do the same percentage of jumps at the same amplitude, 2 complex cardiacs will be essential.

Combined with a rotational sensitivity increase...

Who knows... maybe this is a contributing factor to why there is so much SILENCE FROM CCP ABOUT 1.3...

It is quite controversial, you know?

A charge jump, that takes twice as much stamina to get the max height.

To do the same percentage of jumps at the same amplitude, 2 complex cardiacs will be essential.

Combined with a rotational sensitivity increase...

Who knows... maybe this is a contributing factor to why there is so much SILENCE FROM CCP ABOUT 1.3...

It is quite controversial, you know?

Heck no. Do you realize how easy it would be to both shield tank while using myos and cardios? I can only imagine how happy Gallente and Amarr Assaults and Minmatar Assaults would be to hear that change happen.

*looks for calAssault*
*realizes that regs >>>>>> myos*
*sees calAss isn't in list*

How easy would it be to shield tank exactly??

The Amarr and Gallente do have shield tanking capabilities. The Minmatar also have that capability to an even higher degree.

Spoken like a stereotypist.

I like to think honest and straightforward, but to each his own.

By saying what you said, you just grouped all myofibral stimulant users into one category.

Oh the irony.

By saying what you said, you just grouped all myofibral stimulant users into one category.

Another issue I am seeing lately with the jumpy myo fits is the overall time it takes to actually kill them. If I have you in my reticle the typical nonmyo scrub takes less than 2 seconds to kill. As soon as the myo scrub starts jumping around I have to dedicate many more seconds to kill them. This leaves you vulnerable and preoccupied for precious seconds that usually results in someone else on their team/squad killing you even if they don't. You cant ignore them, especially with the OHK melee potential. So, you are stuck trying to hit a guy that is actually in the wide open as if he had cover. During that time you are often having to move out of your own cover to avoid splash damage or OHKs. Tactical shooters are supposed to reward tactical play. If you move to the flank or better cover position you are supposed to be rewarded with the advantage. Instead you can run a myo fit and never have to actually worry about position. The game was not designed for this level of vertical movement, and the steady increase of myo use in the game shows that the only real adaptation to counter them is to run them. The warping of the metagame is itself not healthy.

I, like some others have mentioned, want to play a tactical SciFi FPS. Not Mike Tysons Punchout, Duck Hunt, or Halo. That means that melee and AV/splash weapons should not be taking center stage. At best they should be marginally successful play styles that allow those that want to play them the opportunity. They should not be on par with the role of a front line assault suit with a rifle. Otherwise, from even a flavor perspective the game makes no sense. It would be like ramming becoming the most viable tactic on EVE instead of actual weapon fire. Spears were used to get advantages over clubs, bows to get advantage over spears, and in the future I am pretty certain that assault weapons would be meant to be more effective than a melee punch from some laggy scrub abusing speed to avoid hit detection.

To complicate matters the scrubs are often in loyalty or cheap suits, their risk is much less than the 250k suit they just appeared out of nowhere on or OHKed with a Plasma cannon because they were on high ground that they normally would not be able to reach.

Its not a matter of aim. Its a fit that exploits the level design, weapon design, hit detection, and sensitivity speed of the game. You may like it or hate it, but those are the simple facts. It is an unintended exploit that allows players to gain an advantage. Anyone who actually plays this game and denies it is simply a liar and needs the crutch. Speed=bad hit detection on this game and that jump speed is much faster than any run speed and you can shoot while doing it. That's why guys have any success with the myos and KinCats. Its not skillful play ITS BAD HIT DETECTION. Moving back and forth while still in my reticle is still in my reticle and should produce damage as I fire. Unfortunately it does not and even if you do miss a few melee attacks the quantity is nothing compared to the number of rounds ignored while abusing the exploit. Just take a look at the current Mk.0 shotgun build. That one does not even need myos. Just KinCats to break hit detection so badly they can cross 40 meters under fire and still gun you down with a shotgun. Biotics right now are not in a healthy place for the game, unless hit detection can be fixed.

Infinite Stupidity. This fine specimen of mental delusion. The amount of "love-letters" this guy has sent me is rediculous. I have even seen him jumping around with a mass driver recently and trying to get melee kills... It was a sad sight because he ended up leaving battle (As always) after his "melee/jumping" was destroyed. Oh, it's so easy to run a paper thin suit and get skeet shot out of the sky every-time you want to jump over a 2 inch curb that would completely stop your movement.. People really fail to bring up the negative side of being forced to jump at your maximum height when they want to go around knocking blocks off.

Next, Infinite Stupidity.... you have NEVER TAKEN 1 MELEE HIT AND DIED FROM ME... you always stack so much HP, has always taken at least 2-3 punches (if they even land, which i have to get within a meters distance to achieve)

He actually has the audacity to carry around a rifle that can EASILY terminate a clone from 80m-0m, then go around and complain when you got knocked out?

... there are many max myo Commando MK0s out there that can do 1200hp of melee damage...

1114.5 Damage, not a significant difference true, but it should be rounded down to 1100 damage, or if you must round up, 1115/1120 damage...

Note: I'm not disagreeing that this is a huge amount of damage, just want to make sure the information is accurate

But as to the balance thing you said...I feel it is more important to balance them against other high slot modules, rather than the biotics group (which other than Myos, reside in the low-power slots...and should be balanced vs other low power slot modules)...but then again, all modules need to be balanced on the whole as well, so I don't necessarily disagree with your point

But yes...numerous things need to be resolved with jumping, some balance, some performance. Some of it is people need to recognize that verticality in gameplay is not necessarily inherently "non-tactical," (not saying that current myos don't break that, just that the concept of being able to jump very high and hit hard isn't out of place for a sci-fi tactical shooter), nor would it be unnecessarily unreasonable to have a melee weapon be considered a primary offensive option in a tactical shooter, even if that melee weapon happened to be integrated onto the highly advanced exoskeleton itself (as with how current things are...I don't view melee as being all that dissimilar to the current "Shotgun" design)

Just like shield extenders and rechargers work REALLY well with shield regulators.

Myofibers work better when combined with cardiac regulators.

Yup, makes sense to me... what is the point?

Also, so what if a commando can do a one hit KO... they are slow, scans and profiles are horrendous, huge hitbox... if you can't see a commando coming to knock you out, you got problems.
Yes I know some people try to dampen their commando but that comes with a huge sacrifice (no cardio or kincats)

Just like shield extenders and rechargers work REALLY well with shield regulators.

Myofibers work better when combined with cardiac regulators.

Yup, makes sense to me... what is the point?

Also, so what if a commando can do a one hit KO... they are slow, scans and profiles are horrendous, huge hitbox... if you can't see a commando coming to knock you out, you got problems.
Yes I know some people try to dampen their commando but that comes with a huge sacrifice (no cardio or kincats)

Bull **** 1000 ehp

I would figure more like 600-800 MAXIMUM

1000+ total HP fit is possible on a triple myo modded Proto Min or Calmando, if you use both the low slots for armor plates rather than any biotics. 961 hp with a Complex Cardiac and Plate on a Proto Calmando.

(remember, base HP before skills on Commandos are 620, 650, and 680. 775, 812.5, and 850 with skills)

So if you fit Armor instead of biotics...the estimate of HP by BARAGAMOS isn't too far off.

(Although, for melee Commando suits, you typically want a Cardiac and KinCat)

Why would anyone put a plate on a melee fit? That is an unreasonable assumption and NO ONE would ever do that if they wanted to use it for meleeing.

Bull **** 1000 ehp

I would figure more like 600-800 MAXIMUM

You realize the base suit has 775 before you even add a ferroscale right?

Sure, but you wouldn't add a ferroscale to a melee Minmando/Calmando in the first place.

Stop bringing up irrelevant things, no one uses plates on melee commandos unless they are complete idiots.

Let us be honest. You dislike myo's because your Tank has a hard time picking on them like normal infantry :]

Read the revised post. Its not about JUST melee. Its the play style in general.

You just keep getting hung up on the melee version for some reason.