Your from the Goonswarm? if so could you provide me a list of their FPS accomplishments?

OK i cant let this go you guys need to understand something.

While that sentiment may be held true by some. And lets be honest for some FPS players it IS true, certainly not all however.

Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! MASSIVE!! Not to mention major bastards.
They belong to the something awful forum group hardcore troll and hardcore greifing community. And i don't mean " aww you mad bro? Their Latest **** move was they tried to drive a guy to suicide for the lol's . Even braged about it during the Fanfest alliance forum which was a good showing of what total assholes they are. If you don't know about goon or something awful Google it .So don't take their word as a judgment upon all Dusters by eve players.

That said do kill them and take their money.


That is all.

Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!!

4weeks, I have played the beta, and only few groups can play in teamworks, there are so many groups unable to reply or protect objective that is so frustating!

So many of them are unbrained..... Some matches, when I defend on the 3 objectives with few people, and then the ennemy team is coordonate taken the 3points in no time, I watch the map to see where are my allies, and they're all outside from the base..... Seriously it's not funny when you have to fight a coordinate team(the brained one) with a group of most unbrained people I have ever seen.

Many people need to learn teamwork and the most essential PROTECT or ATTACK objectives.

Well, this is something that can't change, like in MAG, when you need a medic there are 10medics near you but they don't res you....

yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon"

Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same.

Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter.

Along with Goon there is AAA and CFC on there as well and none of these 2000-9000 member Alliances seem to care about DUST at all. They say Planets will become no fly zones and they will wait it out tell FPS players stop caring about DUST.

No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.

No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.

So you think we might be the down fall of Goon?

Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter.

See yes and no.

Yes they will matter. I mean who does not love a target rich environment?

But i think we need look no further then to our beloved protoman as an great example of what happens when scrubs FPS players even alot of them get put up against a ,lets be honest, really skilled player. Hate him love him he gets kills and results.

And at the end of the day in a conquest match that's what will matter. Any tactic short of a direct game exploit will be ,and is valid if it leads you to reaching your contract objective. Think that is cheap? Well is it effective? yes? Damn if only my internet service provider was both cheap and effective all the time i would snatch that **** up.
^ do you see why i am saying in that last statement?

In eve and in the hardcore Sections of dust that will be conquest. We are playing for keeps. Cry about it being Cheap will not get you your stuff back and it will not win you the battle. You adapt. You find counter strategy's. You out maneuver and out think your opponents.

Now lets put this in perspective. Lets imagine gentlemen if you will a team of players maybe lead by proto or a player of similar skill. Let us then further go on to say this teams average skill level is at least half as good as proto or a player like him.

Enter the horde of goonswarm nubs. If you think goonswarm is full of masterful strategic and tactical leaders.... well damn you have not been paying much attention to there history in eve have you?

Now i dont need to lay this out more then this i think. You guys have brains what exactly do you think will happen in that scenario?

GG that's what.

So you think we might be the down fall of Goon?

Not really worried about the Goons, or any other SpaceFAGS TBQH. Apparently they just ransacked Eve and have tons of ISK... thats good to know. They'll pay a premium for protection services for their ground assets, or to take the territory of another group.

Don't care... Eve players are wary of the goons - I just need the check signed.

Do you see any goons talking big? Anywhere on the forums? If they want to wait it out, they could be in for a nasty shock. No-one has heard of them on FPS. EvE is a cruel universe because you can gang up on people. You can't do that with 32 on 32. That balance thing all those other threads are on about...

Ground assets in eve aint wroth squat no one cares about PI. Well that is unless dusters can strangle hold a huge ammount of them. Then things might be interesting and we might matter.

Think your going to beable to take a Tech moon ? Lolz but hell if ccp go for that power to em...they wont tho sadly

You guys do realize this sort of fear and paranoia about them is exactly what they want right?

So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it?

You guys do realize this sort of fear and paranoia about them is exactly what they want right?

So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it?

Yes your right here 32 vs 32 they wont win alot lolz they never do in eve anyway. Yet your 32 need to sleep and they can just start pulling shifts and hitting planets all over the place. Anyone knwo how many PS3's might be in goon hands ?

Well I dont think there is one yet. Belive it or not I'm actualy 100% on your side. I want this to matter but this is a complex subject that we havent heard much about from the Dev's.

Maybe there is a way we can make this all matter but I only see one way and its a hell of a trick to pull off.

I'm kinda hoping ccp pull somthing out soonish on this.

Dust will matter if system sovereignty is tied to planets.. i'm pretty sure that's how CCP is going to do it.

Maybe we need a a burn new eden campaign ?

SOV will be affected in a since that we as DUST Mercs can have Capsuleers join our corps and that means we to can set up POS and stations to own System SOV and we will also be the only ones to own and conquer Planet SOV. So even if the mechanic is not there, it won't matter. Already have a plan.

Goonwarm sucks, GG.

Yes your right here 32 vs 32 they wont win alot lolz they never do in eve anyway. Yet your 32 need to sleep and they can just start pulling shifts and hitting planets all over the place. Anyone knwo how many PS3's might be in goon hands ?

If ya have a good stab a goons give me a shout might be fun :)

[quote=Zion Shad][quote=JAG]
What are we going to do with Sov ? Its pointless for us hell tons of eve players dont give a dam about sov. Granted some super capital builder might pay thu the nose for even a glimmer of hope that his capital shipyards dont go offline if his alliances sov gets broken.

Its the money simple as that. Want to matter mess with the money.

Now I kinda understated PI a little.

Some of the stuff that comes off the Planets atm can be used to make some T2 items and ships etc and almost everyone use's this stuff everyday. So yes PI matters but there is just so much of the stuff its worth very little.

Maybe we can change that.

Paychecks and burning peoples **** down?

Where do i sign up?

It's not Dust vs EvE. Dust vs Goons first. Maybe.

add ZionShad as a friend on PS3 and put a message saying "Burn EVE"
I'm going to start a Blog

Lolz that called stealing ..good on ya
I'm in.

I know it's a bit trollish but:

Two Capsuleers in EVE...

"Hey Joe, want to go trash some Dust Bunnies?"
"Sure, what's the plan?"
"I'll hire an attack force, you hire the defenders. I'll just give the attackers enough resources to get going. You give your guys everything they need and more. If my guys start to get the upper hand I'll nuke them from orbit."
"Sound's like fun, next time I'll play the attackers!'

I suspect most DUST 514 players wouldn't like to be the pieces in those kinds of games. But I could certainly be wrong. Being the playthings of our Capsuleer overlords might appeal to some folk.

I love being called cute. Just wonderful. Thank you for once again going all EVE player and pointing out how insignificant we are.

Everything between points A and B you say Phantom?

Edit: Also willing to finance to an extent.

I know it's a bit trollish but:

Two Capsuleers in EVE...

"Hey Joe, want to go trash some Dust Bunnies?"
"Sure, what's the plan?"
"I'll hire an attack force, you hire the defenders. I'll just give the attackers enough resources to get going. You give your guys everything they need and more. If my guys start to get the upper hand I'll nuke them from orbit."
"Sound's like fun, next time I'll play the attackers!'

I suspect most DUST 514 players wouldn't like to be the pieces in those kinds of games. But I could certainly be wrong. Being the playthings of our Capsuleer overlords might appeal to some folk.

Edit: Also willing to finance to an extent.

...and then they turned their guns skyward.

I love being called cute. Just wonderful. Thank you for once again going all EVE player and pointing out how insignificant we are.

Everything between points A and B you say Phantom?

Or call in buddies in EVE

Or in my case, I just have my laptop set up next to my TV with EVE already running.

...and then they turned their guns skyward.

Problem with this is that travel between systems hasn't been entirely hashed out. But seeing as you'll be flying through space, I imagine there will be a way for the war barges to be headed off by capsuleers. And while the war barges are significant, I'm sure, I doubt they'd stand up, even en masse, against a titan fleet. Which means you might not want to just look at Eve players as simply a paycheck.

And what's with the all bold text? It's like caps shouting lite...

Insert Dust players stealing all of goons worlds and not taking their contracts to give them back.

U MAD GOON?

"Hey Joe, want to go trash some Dust Bunnies?"
"Sure, what's the plan?"
"I'll hire an attack force, you hire the defenders. I'll just give the attackers enough resources to get going. You give your guys everything they need and more. If my guys start to get the upper hand I'll nuke them from orbit."
"Sound's like fun, next time I'll play the attackers!'

No, the people 'dissing' on Goonswarm are console players who just laugh when threatened by a huge group of point and click MMO players in a console first person shooter.

Speaking as a member of Fatal Ascension, which is itself a member of the CF Coalition, which is headed by Goonswarm Federation, I can say that in all likelihood, they will be looking to form their own Dust army once this game launches, if only to further anger everyone else in EVE by driving them out of their regions with hilarious ease.

I think it far more likely that the GS players are those keeping out of this thread, and others like it.

No, the people 'dissing' on Goonswarm are console players who just laugh when threatened by a huge group of point and click MMO players in a console first person shooter.

Here will be one of the tactics goons will field against you

1) you will be on the field 32 vs 32, they will swarm the planet in eve
2) the will orbital strike from multiple ships over and over and over and over and over again
3) you will get pissed off an either go sit in neocom or go play something else
4) you wait a couple of days you log back on not knowing some goon twerp has added you to his watch list
5) he informs his buddies they go lulz!
6) you again are getting orbital striked over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
7) you log and make a couple of rage comics with all the FFFFUUUUUUUU you have ammassed

Another tactic

1) goons will make/buy fully fitted maxed out tanks by the thousands
2) you will face them 32 v 32
3) "i thought they fixed the tank glitch! wtf! our swarm launchers aren't working!"
4) the will spawn camp you even with the random spawning in nothing but fully fitted tanks
5) again while they orbital strike over and over and over and over and over again
6) lather rinse repeat


they don't/won't care about paychecks, winning objectives, or much of anything other than making you rage quit and send them some hate mail, no i am not one of them, yes i think they are a bunch of ***hats

Here will be one of the tactics goons will field against you

1) you will be on the field 32 vs 32, they will swarm the planet in eve
2) the will orbital strike from multiple ships over and over and over and over and over again
3) you will get pissed off an either go sit in neocom or go play something else
4) you wait a couple of days you log back on not knowing some goon twerp has added you to his watch list
5) he informs his buddies they go lulz!
6) you again are getting orbital striked over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
7) you log and make a couple of rage comics with all the FFFFUUUUUUUU you have ammassed

Another tactic

1) goons will make/buy fully fitted maxed out tanks by the thousands
2) you will face them 32 v 32
3) "i thought they fixed the tank glitch! wtf! our swarm launchers aren't working!"
4) the will spawn camp you even with the random spawning in nothing but fully fitted tanks
5) again while they orbital strike over and over and over and over and over again
6) lather rinse repeat


they don't/won't care about paychecks, winning objectives, or much of anything other than making you rage quit and send them some hate mail, no i am not one of them, yes i think they are a bunch of ***hats

I mean this is from a group of people who's leader encouraged people at fanfest to harass another player so he would kill himself. Classy right?

Here will be one of the tactics goons will field against you

1) you will be on the field 32 vs 32, they will swarm the planet in eve
2) the will orbital strike from multiple ships over and over and over and over and over again
3) you will get pissed off an either go sit in neocom or go play something else
4) you wait a couple of days you log back on not knowing some goon twerp has added you to his watch list
5) he informs his buddies they go lulz!
6) you again are getting orbital striked over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
7) you log and make a couple of rage comics with all the FFFFUUUUUUUU you have ammassed

Another tactic

1) goons will make/buy fully fitted maxed out tanks by the thousands
2) you will face them 32 v 32
3) "i thought they fixed the tank glitch! wtf! our swarm launchers aren't working!"
4) the will spawn camp you even with the random spawning in nothing but fully fitted tanks
5) again while they orbital strike over and over and over and over and over again
6) lather rinse repeat


they don't/won't care about paychecks, winning objectives, or much of anything other than making you rage quit and send them some hate mail, no i am not one of them, yes i think they are a bunch of ***hats

But yes, winning the metagame is serious business.

They'll all probably play dust just so they could stop us from taking their worlds..

Here will be one of the tactics goons will field against you

1) you will be on the field 32 vs 32, they will swarm the planet in eve
2) the will orbital strike from multiple ships over and over and over and over and over again
3) you will get pissed off an either go sit in neocom or go play something else
4) you wait a couple of days you log back on not knowing some goon twerp has added you to his watch list
5) he informs his buddies they go lulz!
6) you again are getting orbital striked over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
7) you log and make a couple of rage comics with all the FFFFUUUUUUUU you have ammassed

Another tactic

1) goons will make/buy fully fitted maxed out tanks by the thousands
2) you will face them 32 v 32
3) "i thought they fixed the tank glitch! wtf! our swarm launchers aren't working!"
4) the will spawn camp you even with the random spawning in nothing but fully fitted tanks
5) again while they orbital strike over and over and over and over and over again
6) lather rinse repeat


they don't/won't care about paychecks, winning objectives, or much of anything other than making you rage quit and send them some hate mail, no i am not one of them, yes i think they are a bunch of ***hats

Are you an idiot? You're not gonna be orbital striking me all day no matter what, hell I don't even think you'll get to orbital strike me. You'll have to do something to allow your ships to get in position to strike me, and you'll have to kill me to let that happen, and we all know that won't happen because, well, EVE players are terrible at shooters.

Like, you think that it's like as long as you have the money, you can orbital strike, and EVE players have money, so they can orbital strike. I'd like to be honest and tell you that you are a moron, and the game will not play out this way. You won't be orbital striking me all day, and if you try and come at me with tanks I'll destroy you with swarm launchers. It's not Orbital Strike > All, it's going to come down to gun game. Something most, if not all the point and click scrubs won't have. Deal with it.

So, keep telling me not to mess with Goonswarm, because they'll just orbital strike me all day, so I can continue to tell you that you're stupid and that won't happen. Instead I'll just pound the **** out of them and spawn trap them and make them complain. Okay? Okay.

Instead I'll just pound the **** out of them and spawn trap them and make them complain. Okay? Okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s1s5K52zEQ


You really don't have a clue who you're dealing with.

It doesn't matter how badass you are at first person shooters. If they want to ruin your experience, they will.

They completely changed the way Eve was played and they will do the same with Dust 514 (despite CCP's future best efforts to keep all you K/D chest thumpers happy).

Goons don't do any of this because they particularly want to. It's just because they can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s1s5K52zEQ


You really don't have a clue who you're dealing with.

It doesn't matter how badass you are at first person shooters. If they want to ruin your experience, they will.

They completely changed the way Eve was played and they will do the same with Dust 514 (despite CCP's future best efforts to keep all you K/D chest thumpers happy).

Goons don't do any of this because they particularly want to. It's just because they can.

maybe you need to reread the whole thing, i gave you some insight on SOME tactics goons will more than likely be looking to deploy against you, and if you READ the last thing i said you might see that its someone trying to offer you some advice on what could happen as opposed to someone who is going "I'm going to fsu on you face!" Now after reading the full thing and spending some time releasing the pent up aggression you have, you might notice "hey this eve dude is trying to give us some information that might be helpful on dealing with the endless ***hattery the goofswarm will try to use on us!" instead of your "OMFG! I KILL YOU ON THE FIELD!! (muscle flex) (muscle flex) that you are currently using.

And your tactics are full of ****, as noted by multiple people other than myself. Your tactics aren't possible. At most they'll zerg me in game, big whoop. I'll have people on my side and smack them around. Thanks for the information, but you're as much as a clown as the guy telling me there's nothing I can do against Goonswarm. They beat you guys around in EVE, sorry. Don't tell me they'll do the same to me, this isn't EVE. That may have killed you to read that but it's true, the games are apples and oranges in the same fruit basket. Pent up aggression? Hardly. You're trying to tell me that I shouldn't mess with Goonswarm, because they'll orbital strike me all day, and I called you an idiot and said that's not possible. That's not aggression, that's being blunt.

And your tactics are full of ****, as noted by multiple people other than myself. Your tactics aren't possible. At most they'll zerg me in game, big whoop. I'll have people on my side and smack them around. Thanks for the information, but you're as much as a clown as the guy telling me there's nothing I can do against Goonswarm. They beat you guys around in EVE, sorry. Don't tell me they'll do the same to me, this isn't EVE. That may have killed you to read that but it's true, the games are apples and oranges in the same fruit basket. Pent up aggression? Hardly. You're trying to tell me that I shouldn't mess with Goonswarm, because they'll orbital strike me all day, and I called you an idiot and said that's not possible. That's not aggression, that's being blunt.

Along with Goon there is AAA and CFC on there as well and none of these 2000-9000 member Alliances seem to care about DUST at all. They say Planets will become no fly zones and they will wait it out tell FPS players stop caring about DUST.

Cosigning this statement.

anybody else that wishes to cosign your more than welcome to do so. EVE players we'll liberate your game for you.

Cosigning this statement.

anybody else that wishes to cosign your more than welcome to do so. EVE players we'll liberate your game for you.

I see you are used to being big fish in a little pond, please don't abandon the game when you discover you are little fish swimming with sharks.

Incorrect, we are here, we are watching, we are already determining which of you are the most intelligent, most capable, most organized, most dedicated, most desireable warriors to bring under our our wings on release day. We are already using the beta to winnow the chafe from the grain.


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WE don't care about your K/D ratio, it's silly - many of us will spend a great deal of time raining fire on you for the sole reason of ruining that k/d ratio to show you how silly it is.

You thump your silly little chests and speak loudly of your skills and abilities, attempting to proclaim your victory without knowledge of your enemy, without knowledge of your battleground, without even knowledge of your self.

The Goons are not to be feared, but do not make the mistake of underestemating them, in capability or in asshattery. Do not assume your "leet" gun game skills make you a better fighter, for they will not engage on your terms. Like many Eve corperations Goons attempt to "Win, then fight"

Play a few weeks of Eve - even just the free 2 week trial, travel through goon space, read the Eve forums to get an idea of what they have done in the past, and what they will likely do in the future, for the leopard does not change his stripes.

After you have done this, begin planning, begin organizing, begin co-ordinating. Then perhaps you may find victory.


Good Luck and Good Hunting - and remember "He who know himself and his enemies need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles"

4weeks, I have played the beta, and only few groups can play in teamworks, there are so many groups unable to reply or protect objective that is so frustating!

So many of them are unbrained..... Some matches, when I defend on the 3 objectives with few people, and then the ennemy team is coordonate taken the 3points in no time, I watch the map to see where are my allies, and they're all outside of the base..... Seriously it's not funny when you have to fight a coordinate team(the brained one) with a group of most unbrained people I have ever seen.

Many people need to learn teamwork and the most essential PROTECT or ATTACK objectives.

Well, this is something that can't change, like in MAG, when you need a medic there are 10medics near you but they don't res you....

They are watching, they are observing.... they are incredibly full of themselves.

I'm sorry, some of you Eve guys take yourselves way too seriously.

What makes you think they will be able to engage us from orbit? What makes you think we're not goading them into spending IRL money to get a PS3 and have their drop suits handed to them?

Win, then fight... indeed.

Ever played one of those other FPS games where the enemy kept raining artillery fire and other off map fire instead of actually fighting? I see the Eve spaceholders making that happen here - as frustrating as that is.

Yes the big alliances do take themselves FAR too seriously - this is what I am warning you about.

You are stepping into a galaxy where there are already existing groups thousands strong, who are experienced at teamwork and co-ordination. (Ever been the leader of a 500 man team? I have....)

These people you are talking about steamrolling are already here, in the beta. They have already infiltrated most of the "in" crowds. They will sink to levels you would have difficulty believing to achieve victory and conquer a system.

You don't seem to realize just what kind of environment you are getting ready to step into.......

There have been documented cases of DDOS attacks being used on a specific player to kill his internet and keep his Titan out of a fight.

There have been documented cases of someone actually going to the enemy fleet commander's house and turning off his electricity at a key moment to swing a battle.

There have been documented cases of Mega Alliances falling because someone put in multiple YEARS as a spy and when the time was right gave the alliances items and isk to their enemy before disbanding it.

If you think you are going to steamroll these guys - good luck
If you think it is going to be easy, then either you are stupid, or you just don't understand the extremes these people will go to in order to win.

If you think it is going to be easy, then either you are stupid, or you just don't understand the extremes these people will go to in order to win.

Ever played one of those other FPS games where the enemy kept raining artillery fire and other off map fire instead of actually fighting? I see the Eve spaceholders making that happen here - as frustrating as that is.

Yes the big alliances do take themselves FAR too seriously - this is what I am warning you about.

You are stepping into a galaxy where there are already existing groups thousands strong, who are experienced at teamwork and co-ordination. (Ever been the leader of a 500 man team? I have....)

These people you are talking about steamrolling are already here, in the beta. They have already infiltrated most of the "in" crowds. They will sink to levels you would have difficulty believing to achieve victory and conquer a system.

You don't seem to realize just what kind of environment you are getting ready to step into.......

There have been documented cases of DDOS attacks being used on a specific player to kill his internet and keep his Titan out of a fight.

There have been documented cases of someone actually going to the enemy fleet commander's house and turning off his electricity at a key moment to swing a battle.

There have been documented cases of Mega Alliances falling because someone put in multiple YEARS as a spy and when the time was right gave the alliances items and isk to their enemy before disbanding it.

If you think you are going to steamroll these guys - good luck
If you think it is going to be easy, then either you are stupid, or you just don't understand the extremes these people will go to in order to win.

Ever played one of those other FPS games where the enemy kept raining artillery fire and other off map fire instead of actually fighting? I see the Eve spaceholders making that happen here - as frustrating as that is.

Yes the big alliances do take themselves FAR too seriously - this is what I am warning you about.

You are stepping into a galaxy where there are already existing groups thousands strong, who are experienced at teamwork and co-ordination. (Ever been the leader of a 500 man team? I have....)

These people you are talking about steamrolling are already here, in the beta. They have already infiltrated most of the "in" crowds. They will sink to levels you would have difficulty believing to achieve victory and conquer a system.

You don't seem to realize just what kind of environment you are getting ready to step into.......

There have been documented cases of DDOS attacks being used on a specific player to kill his internet and keep his Titan out of a fight.

There have been documented cases of someone actually going to the enemy fleet commander's house and turning off his electricity at a key moment to swing a battle.

There have been documented cases of Mega Alliances falling because someone put in multiple YEARS as a spy and when the time was right gave the alliances items and isk to their enemy before disbanding it.

If you think you are going to steamroll these guys - good luck
If you think it is going to be easy, then either you are stupid, or you just don't understand the extremes these people will go to in order to win.

Dust players have nothing to lose, therefor we are probably THE WORST enemy Goon will probably ever face.

So what if they have thousands of members, so what if they're rich. So what if they have a **** ton of ships.

We have nothing to lose, there for, we have nothing to fear. Goon on the other hand has everything to lose.

Dust players have nothing to lose, therefor we are probably THE WORST enemy Goon will probably ever face.

So what if they have thousands of members, so what if they're rich. So what if they have a **** ton of ships.

We have nothing to lose, there for, we have nothing to fear. Goon on the other hand has everything to lose.

Ships
ISK
space stations
SOV
THEIR PLANETS


We can take a planet, have its guns attack the ships in orbit, and (maybe) take out the space station orbiting said world.

Go ahead and bomb the **** out of us, we'll just lose a few thousand isk, nothing too major, unlike your $billion rust buckets.

Even if we lose, it'll only take us all about an hour or 2 to gain all the isk back that we lose. Then we can just attack again, and again, and again, and again.

Sigh..... well I tried. I tried to inform you of the enemy you are choosing to face. I tried to warn you of the depths to which they will sink (all of the examples above were perpatrated by Goonfleet) I tried to tell you how to stand a chance of victory against my foes.

Um. The whole point is to merge the game universes. SO, stop making it DUST vs. *Stuff* make it [Whatever your corp is] vs. Goons..

The servers are down and we're losing our names --
These guys are just having fun trying to troll forums as pretend PVP. ^_^
Worry not, and be satisfied that you did your best?

Doesn't matter if its the goons or anyone else. We didn't bring them up, you guys did. Goonswarm is your champion? lol

My name will remain my name unless someone decides to asshat it away from me. Not hiding behind alts.

Energy may be likened to the bending of a cross-bow; decision, to the releasing of the trigger.

Amid the turmoil and tumult of battle, there may be seeming disorder and yet no real disorder at all; amid confusion and chaos, your array may be without head or tail, yet it will proof against defeat.

Simulated disorder postulates perfect discipline; simulated fear postulates courage; simulated weakness postulates strength.

Hiding order beneath the cloak of disorder is simply a question of subdivision; concealing courage under a show of timidity presupposes a fund of latent energy; masking strength with weakness is to be effected by tactical dispositions.

Thus one who is skillful at keeping the enemy of the move maintains deceitful appearances, according to which the enemy will act.

By holding out baits, he keeps him on the march; then with a body of picked men he lies in wait for him.
Sun Tzu, Ping-fa

I found out that they will be streaming live on Tuesday Night at 11pm CT on same site. They will have a in EVE game chat channel, just look up Podside. Go support DUST.

FPS players are to DUMB to organize.

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TCD ZionShad
I can't post on the EVE forum because I don't have an EVE account.
However I would like to see someone post this topic there and see the response from EVE players on this.

Can someone do this?


Please if you Quote edit it to show what your addressing and PLEASE stick to forum rules so this post won't be LOCKED. Thank you

Seemed to me most of us weren't going "OMG GOONSWARM! WE LUV THEM!" but in fact were going "they are a bunch of asshats and here's some reasons why and what we feel they are going to do in dust"

for some reason tho, a few of you don't seem to be able to read correctly, but there are those of you, i think it was you that was "i want to attack them, they sound like p****'s" and humperdink there seem to have the right idea, just be aware they are definitely quite the corp of dbags who's only desire is to make people angry and ruin your enjoyment of a game, intel is always key

Wasn't me. My position is one of indifference, but I'm leaning towards burn them all now. I didn;t know who Goonswarm was, it was the Eve players who gor butt hurt at the chest thumping who evoked their name like Goonswarm would show us our proper place in the universe.

I know what we should do, we will all align ourselves with Goonswarms enemies and then take ALL of their territory

[quote=MUDMASTEI2]ok, noted, you win, you are right, i concede forum argument to you so you can chalk up a win. clearly your perspective on all things is correct and i, am surely no where near your omnipotence in knowing how things are going to work out. I shall further from here not inform you of any perspectives i may have on your enemies tactics, because clearly there will be no accuracy whatsoever to them. i greatly apologize for even dreaming of insulting your intelligence in all things new eden, for you sir, are clearly in the right, and I am totally and undeniably in the wrong.

DUST 514 players can do things that keep EVE players from getting what they want
DUST 514 players are the gatekeepers of something that EVE players need

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PLEASE DON'T REVEAL ANYTHING THAT BREACHES NDA

I am terrible at console FPS but am genious. How this work?

we actually had a fairly nice roast of them a few weeks ago. People seemed to get upset when we asked about FPS accomplishments on the playstation.

My tryhard friends from halo would consider you to be book smart, but lack common sense.

First off it's a mass generalization so it's already a fail statement.

FPS players to dumb to organize? Whoever has said that has obviously never played FPS games competitively and played against great players, a lot of good FPS players are quick thinkers and actually very tactical. It may just seem like point and shoot to some people but in order to be good there is thought behind every move. Also it's not like all FPS players only play FPS games, I play FPS games primarily and it's the genre I prefer to be competitive in but I also play RPGs and RTS games. Hell I started playing EVE before I heard of Dust.

That being said I'm pretty sick of the high horses that some people are on just because they play a different genre that's more slow and seemingly more tactical and more to it and seriously believe that people who play FPS games are dumb.

Hilarious.

There's stupid FPS players just like there's stupid RTS and RPG players, noobs are everywhere but to state that people who play a specific genre are too dumb to organize? Pffft, what an imbecile.

Most of the hostility from the FPS guys is directed at the way you are warning us. Do not scold us. The thread title says it all. Ddos attacks are pretty standard for pc hassles. PS3? You're kidding me right :)
We will gladly accept advice to combat the "meta game" (cheating). We will gladly accept your contracts, and lay waste to each other. But more than the meta game, we need to know who or how many corps/alliances would be hostile to the swarm. (I'm assuming everyone?) maybe the swarm would be a safer place for us? Until us Dusters see a bit more about that, we will just merc it out.
The trouble seems to me like the swarm have null sec cornered currently. And everyone's greed and distrust is a major reason for this. Dust will bring the 3rd great war. I've done a little homework. The wiki is great.
Atleast high sec will be fun.

Most of the hostility from the FPS guys is directed at the way you are warning us. Do not scold us. The thread title says it all. Ddos attacks are pretty standard for pc hassles. PS3? You're kidding me right :)
We will gladly accept advice to combat the "meta game" (cheating). We will gladly accept your contracts, and lay waste to each other. But more than the meta game, we need to know who or how many corps/alliances would be hostile to the swarm. (I'm assuming everyone?) maybe the swarm would be a safer place for us? Until us Dusters see a bit more about that, we will just merc it out.
The trouble seems to me like the swarm have null sec cornered currently. And everyone's greed and distrust is a major reason for this. Dust will bring the 3rd great war. I've done a little homework. The wiki is great.
Atleast high sec will be fun.

Goonswarm is going to be taken out with or without the support from EVE players. They'll be made into the examples as to why zerging almost never works in FPS.

Goonswarm is going to be taken out with or without the support from EVE players. They'll be made into the examples as to why zerging almost never works in FPS.

Or call in buddies in EVE

Or in my case, I just have my laptop set up next to my TV with EVE already running.

The lack of respect is making you a huge target for MANY gank ships orbital strikes.

hopefully you and "The Hivemind EntropyVirus" can survive long enough to even have the ISK to start your corps, let alone keep an alliance going.

The trouble seems to me like the swarm have null sec cornered currently. And everyone's greed and distrust is a major reason for this. Dust will bring the 3rd great war. I've done a little homework. The wiki is great.
Atleast high sec will be fun.

TAKE THEMSELVES TOO SERIOUSLY.

orbital bombardments aren't as Op as you think, there's cool downs, certain weapons you need to actually DO an orbital strike, and ship restrictions. (titans can do orbital strikes)

orbital bombardments aren't as Op as you think, there's cool downs, certain weapons you need to actually DO an orbital strike, and ship restrictions. (titans can do orbital strikes)

NOBODY RESPECTS A BUNCH OF ZERGS WHO TAKE THEMSELVES TOO SERIOUSLY.

I refuse to pander to the PC equivalent of a MAG Zerg clan on steroids. Goonswarm isn't going to do anything in a 24v24 or a 32v32 player battle on a planet except get smacked around and spawn camped in the same spirit as a public match. They might have grown to prominence in EVE by being a Zerg, but it's not going to happen in a console FPS.

The lack of respect is making you a huge target for MANY gank ships orbital strikes.

hopefully you and "The Hivemind EntropyVirus" can survive long enough to even have the ISK to start your corps, let alone keep an alliance going.

God please stop talking about orbital strikes. Is that all you kids know how to do?

NOBODY RESPECTS A BUNCH OF ZERGS WHO TAKE THEMSELVES TOO SERIOUSLY.

I refuse to pander to the PC equivalent of a MAG Zerg clan on steroids. Goonswarm isn't going to do anything in a 24v24 or a 32v32 player battle on a planet except get smacked around and spawn camped in the same spirit as a public match. They might have grown to prominence in EVE by being a Zerg, but it's not going to happen in a console FPS.

I'm tired of hearing people talk about a orbital strikes. Orbital strikes aren't going to be going off when goonswarm constantly sees a spawn loop.

Wait... I just thought of how zerg could apply to Dust. There's gonna be specific control points on a planet that need to be taken in order to capture that planet right? So who's to say those control points can't be contested simultaneously in multiple Dust matches. Depending on the amount matches can be held simultaneously on said planet could affect how effectively zerging a planet will be. Will a Dust CEO may be expected to ration players to certain areas if he hasnt got the manpower to cover all the bases? How would a game of 5 PROTOMANZ go against 32 drunk button mashers go?

Cheap a$$ destroyer class ships can orbital strike? GS can toss those around like the good old days of being nub zergs as proto calls them. with that, they will have shorter cool downs and i could see thousands train the skills and buy the modules for it...? not that much of a hit of ISK to a alliance with trillions in total isk between members. Not to mentions he knows only GS, not the CFC.


with over 5000 members i could see over 1000 having PS3 and being able to EASILY zerg your whole alliance out of new eden calling for your mom's. that's just Goons, want me to guess how many gamers in CFC have PS3s?

You and hivemind should watch out. also that name i mentioned is in EVE "the hivemind entropyvirus" and an alt The entropyvirus hivemind" you need to tell that alliance leader how to hide better..

So sitting at work today and read a blog post talking about FPS player wonGÇÖt be able to forum any kind of group or army because were to DUMB to matter and it came from the Goons (who are the biggest alliance in EVE) who are people we will have do deal with once DUST launches into the EVE Universe

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They are not what you think they are. The blob isn't why goons are respected, hated and feared (and yes even admired - they have some top notch cat wranglers in their leadership)

They manipulate, they plot, they meta game. They bring about victory before they set foot on the field (or they lose - every time).

And for temperment, it's more like some of the "leet" FPS clans that won't fight another "leet" clan without the odds already stacked in their favor and go pubbie stomping instead, trying to make "noobs" cry and quit the game.

Unfortunately they are good at what they do.

quality over quantity. They can send in as many of their own mercs as they want, but if they suck (and they probably will) then they wont be that much of a threat. in this build, i could easily take on 5-8 people at once. Taking on a swarm of milita goon swarm mercs wont be that difficult.


Which comes to another point of mine. When we start this attack, goon swarm will be mass producing militia mercs to take us on. That's a swarm of militia units taking on a well trained team of proto users who know the this game like the back of their hand. Who do you think will win?

Also, orbital strike probably wont be happening any time soon. EVE players and DUST mercs will need to train up skills to actually use it. Also, We probably CAN steal the codes and disable them, which would prevent them from firing at all.

5 ragequiting protozfgtz i see in that.

Also, orbital strike probably wont be happening any time soon. EVE players and DUST mercs will need to train up skills to actually use it. Also, We probably CAN steal the codes and disable them, which would prevent them from firing at all.

that will give some time, from the fanfest keynote it appeared codes are generated by the merc calling in the strike, relayed over voice comms to the pilots, this activates the module on the ship, merc then target paints the targets allowing the ship to lock on to the target on the ground, then its fire all guns. Maybe an ewar mod to break lock would work and is possible since they have said ewar is coming. but as for stealing the codes? i dunno

lol, just cause they play EVE on a PC doesn't mean they didn't grow up on consules and play other games

How dumb can people be?

Destroyers use small guns, the lvl 1 skill for strikes probably take what, an hour if protoman is lucky?

Oh, no no no. It's actually in this GS signup agreement. You can only join if you pledge you are absolutely terrible at FPS games...

have you ever played against/ with protoman?

yes, he spawn camps, or ragequits if he dies to much or can't gett his KDR up from the match.

Taking on a zerg swarm of militia goonswarm mercs who have no idea how a FPS game works will be no problem for us.

it'll be even easier when it's beta testers Vs Goonswarm members who have never touched this game before. We have experience and skill, while they have numbers.

That's some pretty beastly forward thinking right there. If I were them I'd banking on dust players having never touched an FPS before. Cus I mean who plays fps's?

I do. and I'm pretty damn good at them.

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it'll be even easier when it's beta testers Vs Goonswarm members who have never touched this game before. We have experience and skill, while they have numbers.

you are going under the assumption that goonswarm don't have any of their people on the beta invite, i can't confirm if there are or not, but i think the chances are probably pretty good

you are going under the assumption that goonswarm don't have any of their people on the beta invite, i can't confirm if there are or not, but i think the chances are probably pretty good

wow.. the epeen is strong in here! lol..

but seriously, until we know how the game mechanics are going to work this is all just epeen stroking.

Mavado, the length and vehemence in this thread could very well be just the thing to push the devs into putting extra man hours into getting Dust integrated with Nullsec ASAP. CCP does have a fondness for going "You asked for it, here it is - now live with the consequences."

Should we as Beta testers form our own Alliance?

If we do that we would be dominating the non testers when the game comes out in terms of experience. But yeah we should but it would be hard to know if someone was a tester or not unless if there's some indicator.

This is true, we would have all post here and meets would take place in PSN Home by invite only. State only your PS3 Tag and Dust tag and with the DUST contact list I can see if the names are linked.

I like it. If most testers committed we'd be a force before the game even starts. It all sounds pretty cut-throat, but that's what EVE is all about, isn't it? It's a very interesting idea.

This is true, we would have all post here and meets would take place in PSN Home by invite only. State only your PS3 Tag and Dust tag and with the DUST contact list I can see if the names are linked.

Sux lossing the ability to Edit this Post

Bringing it back to topic,
Can we organize enough to matter in The EVE Universe?

Of course we will be able to - This is a major selling point of Dust.

Remember Goons are just one alliance of the 100's in Eve, each alliance is made up of numerous corp's (clans), I'd imagine all these corps will be able to interact with Dust corp's individually, CCP know what they are doing. 90% of Dust players will probably have ZERO contact with goons on a regular basis especially if they don't want it, there are hundreds if not thousands of people we would be able to work for/against instead if you wanted to keep clear of the Goons.

All the main alliances have people in the Beta - You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. I know I'm from one of them, and there are at least 5 more just from my corp, never mind the alliance.

This link will give all you non Eve guys some idea of just how many alliances there are and this is only the top few.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount (Lots of Eve info on this site, I'd recommend you BM it)

TL;DR Lots of Goon trolling in this thread - They are not the only alliance in Eve

I'm going to step in here, and point out a few things.

1: Any group of Gamers can be organized.
2: Just because someone thinks they are big news in a game, doesn't mean they are.
3: FPS games go as far back as 1992, and some of us have been playing since then.
4: Shut up, sit down, and think.

The goonswarm in EVE may be big, but they don't run crap. If you don't like it quit, and if you can't adapt, die.