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[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:21:00 -
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So sitting at work today and read a blog post talking about FPS player wonGÇÖt be able to forum any kind of group or army because were to DUMB to matter and it came from the Goons (who are the biggest alliance in EVE) who are people we will have do deal with once DUST launches into the EVE Universe. I donGÇÖt think this is true I think we can organize and become Huge and that we will be in this for the long haul. IGÇÖm going to listen to the Podcast more to see whatGÇÖs fully said but as is now IGÇÖm not happy and think FPS players should prepare for war in EVE.
I would like to know what you guys think on this?
WonGÇÖt copy and paste the blog, but here are Links:
Podside podcast The 1 hour Mark relates to this topic
I found out that they will be streaming live on Tuesday Night at 11pm CT on same site. They will have a in EVE game chat channel, just look up Podside. Go support DUST.
FPS players are to DUMB to organize.
This is the blog post
TCD ZionShad I can't post on the EVE forum because I don't have an EVE account. However I would like to see someone post this topic there and see the response from EVE players on this.
Can someone do this?
Please if you Quote edit it to show what your addressing and PLEASE stick to forum rules so this post won't be LOCKED. Thank you |
[Veteran_PUT-PROTOMAN-IN GAME]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:26:00 -
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Your from the Goonswarm? if so could you provide me a list of their FPS accomplishments?
not going to bother reading or listening to the podcast, but established clans in the playstation community (i'm talking clans that have been around since RFoM days) will be coming over to this game. New players looking for clans or organized groups of like minded players shouldn't really have difficulty finding a home. |
[Veteran_Enigma99 Myrmidon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:30:00 -
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Derp |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:30:00 -
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Frankly, I think they are half right and half wrong to assume that. Half right because there are just too many FPS scrubs out there in the gaming market running around acting like lone wolves who are only interested in blasting their music on open comms while playing just for a good K/D ratio that will serve no purpose in New Eden. Half wrong because not all FPS players are scrubs as there are a number of us organized players out here playing DUST looking to create the new standard in how organized FPS players should be. |
[Veteran_JAG]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:35:00 -
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I think this will be an interesting thing to watch. the largest EVE alliances have thousands of players in them. Will FPS clans organize to the same level and build the industrial infrastructure to keep it all running..?
I don't think FPS clans are anything to the scale that we see in EVE. I don't think it's about being "dumb" and more to do with is it fun game play. I certainly don't think FPS gamers will be into building large scale industrial empires.. |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:38:00 -
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PUT-PROTOMAN-IN GAME wrote:Your from the Goonswarm? if so could you provide me a list of their FPS accomplishments?
LOL think it's stated by my name TCD so don't think I said anywhere I was from Goonswarm. Sorry if you miss read that Proto
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[Veteran_Darius Ashran]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:39:00 -
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OK i cant let this go you guys need to understand something.
While that sentiment may be held true by some. And lets be honest for some FPS players it IS true, certainly not all however.
Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! MASSIVE!! Not to mention major bastards. They belong to the something awful forum group hardcore troll and hardcore greifing community. And i don't mean " aww you mad bro? Their Latest **** move was they tried to drive a guy to suicide for the lol's . Even braged about it during the Fanfest alliance forum which was a good showing of what total assholes they are. If you don't know about goon or something awful Google it .So don't take their word as a judgment upon all Dusters by eve players.
That said do kill them and take their money.
That is all. |
[Veteran_Zekain Kade]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:40:00 -
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They're dumb for thinking we're dumb.
have they heard of KSI? They're am massive FPS clan, they have close to 20-30k members. (but they 're all terrible at everything they do.) |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:51:00 -
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Along with Goon there is AAA and CFC on there as well and none of these 2000-9000 member Alliances seem to care about DUST at all. They say Planets will become no fly zones and they will wait it out tell FPS players stop caring about DUST. |
[Veteran_PUT-PROTOMAN-IN GAME]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:52:00 -
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Darius Ashran wrote:OK i cant let this go you guys need to understand something.
While that sentiment may be held true by some. And lets be honest for some FPS players it IS true, certainly not all however.
Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! MASSIVE!! Not to mention major bastards. They belong to the something awful forum group hardcore troll and hardcore greifing community. And i don't mean " aww you mad bro? Their Latest **** move was they tried to drive a guy to suicide for the lol's . Even braged about it during the Fanfest alliance forum which was a good showing of what total assholes they are. If you don't know about goon or something awful Google it .So don't take their word as a judgment upon all Dusters by eve players.
That said do kill them and take their money.
That is all.
we actually had a fairly nice roast of them a few weeks ago. People seemed to get upset when we asked about FPS accomplishments on the playstation. |
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[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:53:00 -
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I wouldn't say dumb. More just a whole group of "honey badgers". It's not that we can't organise, we just too busy taking shots at each other. But we're dumb enough to lol @ goons. And we're dumb enough to always smack the big boy around. Dumb enough to not bother with forums. We're comming to New Eden and say LoLEvE talk. LoL alliances. Oh and I can actually see us dominating those poor little goons on the ground. And the rest of you. Once the hit detection gets fixed, things should get fun. So yeah maybe we ARE dumb. Think of us as a big dumb dog.
Edit: Dust might spell the end for the blob. Sooooo many randoms. |
[Veteran_Omega FFV]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:53:00 -
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4weeks, I have played the beta, and only few groups can play in teamworks, there are so many groups unable to reply or protect objective that is so frustating!
So many of them are unbrained..... Some matches, when I defend on the 3 objectives with few people, and then the ennemy team is coordonate taken the 3points in no time, I watch the map to see where are my allies, and they're all outside of the base..... Seriously it's not funny when you have to fight a coordinate team(the brained one) with a group of most unbrained people I have ever seen.
Many people need to learn teamwork and the most essential PROTECT or ATTACK objectives.
Well, this is something that can't change, like in MAG, when you need a medic there are 10medics near you but they don't res you.... |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 17:55:00 -
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Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!!
yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon"
Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same. |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:02:00 -
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Omega FFV wrote:4weeks, I have played the beta, and only few groups can play in teamworks, there are so many groups unable to reply or protect objective that is so frustating! So many of them are unbrained..... Some matches, when I defend on the 3 objectives with few people, and then the ennemy team is coordonate taken the 3points in no time, I watch the map to see where are my allies, and they're all outside from the base..... Seriously it's not funny when you have to fight a coordinate team(the brained one) with a group of most unbrained people I have ever seen. Many people need to learn teamwork and the most essential PROTECT or ATTACK objectives. Well, this is something that can't change, like in MAG, when you need a medic there are 10medics near you but they don't res you....
Once the tools are given to form organized groups, this will change a lot. In my opinion |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:05:00 -
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Yes groups are needed. Even just queue syncing with a couple friends of mine, it allows for even small organization between a few player and the advantage is significant. |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:06:00 -
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Gene Dravon wrote:Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon" Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same.
Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter. |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:08:00 -
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I think you will find very few that give a dam about dust. We aint even out the blocks yet and why should they care? We have zero impact atm and are not meaningful to them ..... but maybe soonTM fingers crossed.
I expect many allaince leaders wont bother even working with some dust clans because its simply too much effort. All they have to do is cast an eye over some of the social fail in this forum to know some people are to much effort to work with.
Been saying this a while but untill bunnys can effect the economy no one will really care. Dust isnt the road to richs for eve players in fact since dust beta came out I'm loosing billions a month because I would rather be here.
As for the goons well have fun , I'm sure they are going to.
PS all console gamez ar supidz
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[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:09:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Gene Dravon wrote:Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon" Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same. Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter.
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing. |
[Veteran_Traynor Youngs]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:13:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Along with Goon there is AAA and CFC on there as well and none of these 2000-9000 member Alliances seem to care about DUST at all. They say Planets will become no fly zones and they will wait it out tell FPS players stop caring about DUST.
The joke will be on them when CCP let DUST mercs take control of Technetium moons.
All of the big boys always bluster about how stupid some new feature is, then then are forced to adapt. They don't like change because change threaten their power.
I wouldn't care what they say publicly.
I know for a fact that some of the biggest alliances are already planning to bankroll the best DUST Corps.
Its just the way things are in New Eden.
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[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:16:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon? |
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[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Gene Dravon wrote:Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon" Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same. Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter. No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
Tony um ... good luck with your Psy war I'm abit stumped as to how your going to make everyone hate goons tho.
They have been working on that for years and aint doing a half bad job. No one matters to goons but goons and all they want is your tears/money.
If anyone can spin its goons and they do it well still I lookforward to watching.
Popcorn.
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[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:19:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon?
Not necessarily, I just want to see the entire game of EVE go into chaos when we hook up to EVE. Nothing like drastic shifts in power to make things interesting.
Then again I'm just kind of man who wants to watch the universe burn. |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:22:00 -
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Gene Dravon I would love to see it all burn. Its a big napfest of circle jerking atm and needs to be burnt to the ground.
Just hope dust one day can have that effect. |
[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:22:00 -
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Not really worried about the Goons, or any other SpaceFAGS TBQH. Apparently they just ransacked Eve and have tons of ISK... thats good to know. They'll pay a premium for protection services for their ground assets, or to take the territory of another group.
Don't care... Eve players are wary of the goons - I just need the check signed. |
[Veteran_Darius Ashran]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:23:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Gene Dravon wrote:Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon" Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same. Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter.
See yes and no.
Yes they will matter. I mean who does not love a target rich environment?
But i think we need look no further then to our beloved protoman as an great example of what happens when scrubs FPS players even alot of them get put up against a ,lets be honest, really skilled player. Hate him love him he gets kills and results.
And at the end of the day in a conquest match that's what will matter. Any tactic short of a direct game exploit will be ,and is valid if it leads you to reaching your contract objective. Think that is cheap? Well is it effective? yes? Damn if only my internet service provider was both cheap and effective all the time i would snatch that **** up. ^ do you see why i am saying in that last statement?
In eve and in the hardcore Sections of dust that will be conquest. We are playing for keeps. Cry about it being Cheap will not get you your stuff back and it will not win you the battle. You adapt. You find counter strategy's. You out maneuver and out think your opponents.
Now lets put this in perspective. Lets imagine gentlemen if you will a team of players maybe lead by proto or a player of similar skill. Let us then further go on to say this teams average skill level is at least half as good as proto or a player like him.
Enter the horde of goonswarm nubs. If you think goonswarm is full of masterful strategic and tactical leaders.... well damn you have not been paying much attention to there history in eve have you?
Now i dont need to lay this out more then this i think. You guys have brains what exactly do you think will happen in that scenario?
GG that's what. |
[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:28:00 -
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Darius Ashran wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Gene Dravon wrote:Darius Ashran wrote: Goon is not an authority in EVE. THEY ARE MASSIVETROLLS!! yep I was about to say, when you type in "Troll" into the EVE forum it just auto-corrects to "Goon" Don't worry about what they say, it's really irrelevant. They can sit and beat their chests and have an e-peen circle jerk together all they want, but in the end they'll need us all the same. Goons will matter to us once we start taking planets in their part of Nul sec and then their "Troll" numbers will matter. See yes and no. Yes they will matter. I mean who does not love a target rich environment? But i think we need look no further then to our beloved protoman as an great example of what happens when scrubs FPS players even alot of them get put up against a ,lets be honest, really skilled player. Hate him love him he gets kills and results. And at the end of the day in a conquest match that's what will matter. Any tactic short of a direct game exploit will be ,and is valid if it leads you to reaching your contract objective. Think that is cheap? Well is it effective? yes? Damn if only my internet service provider was both cheap and effective all the time i would snatch that **** up. ^ do you see why i am saying in that last statement? In eve and in the hardcore Sections of dust that will be conquest. We are playing for keeps. Cry about it being Cheap will not get you your stuff back and it will not win you the battle. You adapt. You find counter strategy's. You out maneuver and out think your opponents. Now lets put this in perspective. Lets imagine gentlemen if you will a team of players maybe lead by proto or a player of similar skill. Let us then further go on to say this teams average skill level is at least half as good as proto or a player like him. Enter the horde of goonswarm nubs. If you think goonswarm is full of masterful strategic and tactical leaders.... well damn you have not been paying much attention to there history in eve have you? Now i dont need to lay this out more then this i think. You guys have brains what exactly do you think will happen in that scenario? GG that's what.
Goonswarm is in a weird position. They'll need us more than we need them. Tons of Eve groups are going to be willing to put up millions in ISK to attack Goonswarm assets. What are the goons going to do? Buy PS3s and get gun game? LOL. They're going to pay out the nose for protection services.
Its nice that they just told us how rich they are. =) |
[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:29:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon?
Do you see any goons talking big? Anywhere on the forums? If they want to wait it out, they could be in for a nasty shock. No-one has heard of them on FPS. EvE is a cruel universe because you can gang up on people. You can't do that with 32 on 32. That balance thing all those other threads are on about... |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:31:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:Not really worried about the Goons, or any other SpaceFAGS TBQH. Apparently they just ransacked Eve and have tons of ISK... thats good to know. They'll pay a premium for protection services for their ground assets, or to take the territory of another group.
Don't care... Eve players are wary of the goons - I just need the check signed.
Ground assets in eve aint wroth squat no one cares about PI. Well that is unless dusters can strangle hold a huge ammount of them. Then things might be interesting and we might matter.
Think your going to beable to take a Tech moon ? Lolz but hell if ccp go for that power to em...they wont tho sadly |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:31:00 -
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I'd compare Goons to your traditional "Zerg" clan in FPS games. They have a few fantastic players, but the bulk of their power is large numbers, may it be people or money. Honestly I'd have more respect for them, but since they're basically nothing more than a hoard of bullies (since apparently being one in real life is too hard), I really can't have much love for the Goons.
I mean this is from a group of people who's leader encouraged people at fanfest to harass another player so he would kill himself. Classy right?
Will the numbers matter? Probably, but don't be afraid. However whatever opinion they have about the quality of players in an FPS game is truly irrelevant. If Goons want to expand into planets, they'll need those "Stupid FPS players" whether they like it or not. |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:34:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon? Do you see any goons talking big? Anywhere on the forums? If they want to wait it out, they could be in for a nasty shock. No-one has heard of them on FPS. EvE is a cruel universe because you can gang up on people. You can't do that with 32 on 32. That balance thing all those other threads are on about...
Yes your right here 32 vs 32 they wont win alot lolz they never do in eve anyway. Yet your 32 need to sleep and they can just start pulling shifts and hitting planets all over the place. Anyone knwo how many PS3's might be in goon hands ? |
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