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![[Veteran_Gene Dravon]](https://forums.dust514.com/themes/ccpDust514/dust-avatar-128.png "[Veteran_Gene Dravon]")
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:37:00 -
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You guys do realize this sort of fear and paranoia about them is exactly what they want right? |
[Veteran_achiever]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:41:00 -
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for one thing dont trust any of the numbers you see in a eve corp for one thing its not true
why do i say that well i been in eve from 2004 and i know things most ps ppl dont
1. when you join a corp you in that corp till you quit that corp or get the boot
2. even if you quit eve and dont play anymore and let say you in a corp like goons as long as they dont boot you
count too there corp numbers even if you have not been on in years
3. so what i try too say is never listen too what a goon has too say they will lie and say whatever they want too get what they want they are naste vile little things i guess BOB said it best "the only good goon is a dead goon"
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[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:41:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:Not really worried about the Goons, or any other SpaceFAGS TBQH. Apparently they just ransacked Eve and have tons of ISK... thats good to know. They'll pay a premium for protection services for their ground assets, or to take the territory of another group.
Don't care... Eve players are wary of the goons - I just need the check signed. Ground assets in eve aint wroth squat no one cares about PI. Well that is unless dusters can strangle hold a huge ammount of them. Then things might be interesting and we might matter. Think your going to beable to take a Tech moon ? Lolz but hell if ccp go for that power to em...they wont tho sadly
So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it? |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:43:00 -
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Tbh they love any attention good or bad. As for fear lolz I have nothing they can take and I cant wait to fight ther zerg of lemmings.
But dreaming Dust will hurt them is just cute. Unless ccp has some massive balls cand puts techmoons on our menu...they wont  |
[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
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Gene Dravon wrote:You guys do realize this sort of fear and paranoia about them is exactly what they want right?
No one fears Goonswarm, at least not from my camp. Put an assault rifle in the swarms hands put 32 of them on the ground, and then we can talk. Until then they just write a check, a large one. |
[Veteran_Gene Dravon]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:45:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:Not really worried about the Goons, or any other SpaceFAGS TBQH. Apparently they just ransacked Eve and have tons of ISK... thats good to know. They'll pay a premium for protection services for their ground assets, or to take the territory of another group.
Don't care... Eve players are wary of the goons - I just need the check signed. Ground assets in eve aint wroth squat no one cares about PI. Well that is unless dusters can strangle hold a huge ammount of them. Then things might be interesting and we might matter. Think your going to beable to take a Tech moon ? Lolz but hell if ccp go for that power to em...they wont tho sadly So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it?
At first, planetary control will be separate from PI. In other words you'll make ISK by controlling a planet, even if you dont have PI set up on it. Therefore its difficult to really how valuable planetary control is since we don't have ISK values on that yet. |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:46:00 -
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Gene Dravon wrote:You guys do realize this sort of fear and paranoia about them is exactly what they want right?
To what cause? Wage a war on us? I say once we take over these Planets we Unity High Sec and we cut off Goons Fuel to run any mining on Tech moons and We wage war first. Will have the Numbers if we start to band together now.
TCD Alliance (Tactical Combat and Defense) |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:46:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:
So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it?
Well I dont think there is one yet. Belive it or not I'm actualy 100% on your side. I want this to matter but this is a complex subject that we havent heard much about from the Dev's.
Maybe there is a way we can make this all matter but I only see one way and its a hell of a trick to pull off.
I'm kinda hoping ccp pull somthing out soonish on this. |
[Veteran_JAG]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:46:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon? Do you see any goons talking big? Anywhere on the forums? If they want to wait it out, they could be in for a nasty shock. No-one has heard of them on FPS. EvE is a cruel universe because you can gang up on people. You can't do that with 32 on 32. That balance thing all those other threads are on about... Yes your right here 32 vs 32 they wont win alot lolz they never do in eve anyway. Yet your 32 need to sleep and they can just start pulling shifts and hitting planets all over the place. Anyone knwo how many PS3's might be in goon hands ?
Sha Kharn has got it right.. Goons advantage is huge amounts of ISK and massive numbers to attack across all time zones. even protoman has to sleep as far as i know..
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[Veteran_JAG]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:48:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Youknowutimsayin wrote:
So whats the point then? This attitude means that what we do in Dust is meaningless and being connected to Eve is pointless. If what we do doesn't matter then why do it?
Well I dont think there is one yet. Belive it or not I'm actualy 100% on your side. I want this to matter but this is a complex subject that we havent heard much about from the Dev's. Maybe there is a way we can make this all matter but I only see one way and its a hell of a trick to pull off. I'm kinda hoping ccp pull somthing out soonish on this.
Dust will matter if system sovereignty is tied to planets.. i'm pretty sure that's how CCP is going to do it. |
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[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:52:00 -
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JAG wrote:
Dust will matter if system sovereignty is tied to planets.. i'm pretty sure that's how CCP is going to do it.
SOV will be affected in a since that we as DUST Mercs can have Capsuleers join our corps and that means we to can set up POS and stations to own System SOV and we will also be the only ones to own and conquer Planet SOV. So even if the mechanic is not there, it won't matter. Already have a plan. 
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[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:55:00 -
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Lolz I can pull 72 hours befor I start to see things that are not there and after a day or two my mental function is just funny. Most mumans are like this sadly.
@Gene Dravon
We kinda do have some numbers on PI well not the passive type but the active type and its underwhelming.
Still basic economics that even us console players can grasp tell us that if we constantly nuke half of eve's planets then Prices will double. Actualy it might well do more than that becuase of the speculators (yes eve also have the scumbag 1% that live off everyone else).
Maybe we need a a burn new eden campaign ? |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:00:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:
Maybe we need a a burn new eden campaign ?
I'm listening 
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[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:02:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:JAG wrote:
Dust will matter if system sovereignty is tied to planets.. i'm pretty sure that's how CCP is going to do it.
SOV will be affected in a since that we as DUST Mercs can have Capsuleers join our corps and that means we to can set up POS and stations to own System SOV and we will also be the only ones to own and conquer Planet SOV. So even if the mechanic is not there, it won't matter. Already have a plan.
What are we going to do with Sov ? Its pointless for us hell tons of eve players dont give a dam about sov. Granted some super capital builder might pay thu the nose for even a glimmer of hope that his capital shipyards dont go offline if his alliances sov gets broken.
Its the money simple as that. Want to matter mess with the money.
Now I kinda understated PI a little.
Some of the stuff that comes off the Planets atm can be used to make some T2 items and ships etc and almost everyone use's this stuff everyday. So yes PI matters but there is just so much of the stuff its worth very little.
Maybe we can change that. |
[Veteran_OnsIaught]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:04:00 -
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Goonwarm sucks, GG. |
[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:06:00 -
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OnsIaught wrote:Goonwarm sucks, GG.
QFT |
[Veteran_Ignatius Crumwald]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:08:00 -
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This is dumb. The most organized clans in existence originated in games like Quake and Mechwarrior
It's not like these couple of EvE Goons speak for all of SA, either.
Most of us think they're effing autists who got too wrapped up in trolling to let go. There's still some of them trolling Secondlife like it's their job. |
[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:09:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Tony Calif wrote:
No. By the time we reach Null sec, everyone will have been exposed to so much anti goon propaganda, only 1 thing awaits.Oh the times they are a changing.
So you think we might be the down fall of Goon? Do you see any goons talking big? Anywhere on the forums? If they want to wait it out, they could be in for a nasty shock. No-one has heard of them on FPS. EvE is a cruel universe because you can gang up on people. You can't do that with 32 on 32. That balance thing all those other threads are on about... Yes your right here 32 vs 32 they wont win alot lolz they never do in eve anyway. Yet your 32 need to sleep and they can just start pulling shifts and hitting planets all over the place. Anyone knwo how many PS3's might be in goon hands ?
Far fewer than belong to everyone else. Hell, goon and test are the only 2 big alliances I know anything of. Goons (sound like scum), and TEST (cat picture fanatics).
Yeah we'll go to sleep. But we'll wake up again and take another 20 districts or whatever. Seriously, how the EvE community informs and works with the dust community will tell. What if 9/10 dusters join the goons? The fate of New Eden is in your hands. I have no intention of being the only player going up against goon, or any of your alliances.
Really, put yourselves out there. Sure you'll pick up some griefers, but I've been approached by only 1 person about joining a corp. Very few people are on mic. Sort out your universe. Make friends instead of hiding in the shadows.
Most dusters won't know a Frigate from a Titan, it'll be everyone's job to educate the new population about corps and alliances. Do not be amazed if we all still call a clan a clan though ;) |
[Veteran_D-PARK]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:11:00 -
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@Jag is right about CCP needing to create a mechanic that will allow DUST 514 players to have an impact on EVE players. In another thread I suggested that if game mechanics ensure that
DUST 514 players can do things that keep EVE players from getting what they want
DUST 514 players are the gatekeepers of something that EVE players need
then there is a chance that DUST 514 players can make a real difference. Why? Because then, if they organize, their organizations will mean something in the EVE universe.
There is a lot of room for different kinds of impact. Sovereignty is one. But if all Mercs do is take territory then they are just cannon fodder -- no more than a different kind of gun. If, on the other hand, they are required to make that territory useful in some way, then they have additional leverage over the people that hire them.
If the DUST 514 players need to set up and run mining operations or factories and the ore or products are required for some important aspect of EVE (not just wimpy PI) then the DUST 514 players have meaning in EVE.
If an EVE player could not take a station or ship without having a boarding party (who might not give back what they take over) then DUST 514 players have a roll beyond being animated weapons. |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:13:00 -
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If ya have a good stab a goons give me a shout might be fun :) |
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[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:18:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:If ya have a good stab a goons give me a shout might be fun :)
Yeah, 9000 vs 2 is my kinda odds :) |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:18:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:[quote=Zion Shad][quote=JAG]
What are we going to do with Sov ? Its pointless for us hell tons of eve players dont give a dam about sov. Granted some super capital builder might pay thu the nose for even a glimmer of hope that his capital shipyards dont go offline if his alliances sov gets broken.
Its the money simple as that. Want to matter mess with the money.
Now I kinda understated PI a little.
Some of the stuff that comes off the Planets atm can be used to make some T2 items and ships etc and almost everyone use's this stuff everyday. So yes PI matters but there is just so much of the stuff its worth very little.
Maybe we can change that.
SOV is property and I don't plan on renting. With My Capsuleer members, it will matter to them and therefore matter to me. And yes I'll do my best to mess with Da Money
TCD |
[Veteran_Sha Kharn Clone]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:23:00 -
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Yea renting is lame but sov can be also give me Pirate controled nullsec or wormholes anyday. |
[Veteran_Phantom Humperdink]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:25:00 -
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What you need to understand is that if push comes to shove a lot of us aren't really interested in your paychecks and little politicking. We're just flat out happy to burn your stuff given the chance just because we can. |
[Veteran_Jesse Jayne]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:28:00 -
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Yea **** it im on board to **** the goons off. |
[Veteran_Youknowutimsayin]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:32:00 -
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Paychecks and burning peoples **** down?
Where do i sign up? |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:32:00 -
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I can't post on the EVE forum because I don't have an EVE account.
However I would like to see someone post this topic there and see the response from EVE players on this.
Can someone do this? |
[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:33:00 -
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Do you see what I'm saying now about the FPS players?  |
[Veteran_Debo Galaxy]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:34:00 -
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I think it will be the smart Corp's that cautiously embrace Dust514. Even if Dust has a small effect it can still matter if exploted in the right way. This is how corparations work. Nickel and diming you, goon swarm may not miss one or two little pieces, but they may miss hundreds or thousands of those pieces. Then it may be to late to get it back.
Also I think it's funny how it's now becoming EvE v. Dust514. Either way it will take some EvE players coming to the Dust side and vice versa. This is supposed to be a MMO/FPS hybrid and the one thing I like about MMO's is they usually change in some way. We may not start off big, but neither did Mcdonalds, or Walmart, or even EvE. Small splashes can have big ripples, especially in still water. |
[Veteran_Zion Shad]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:36:00 -
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Youknowutimsayin wrote:Paychecks and burning peoples **** down?
Where do i sign up?
add ZionShad as a friend on PS3 and put a message saying "Burn EVE"
I'm going to start a Blog |
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