Make it AUR, like 5000......

Never should respecing be done, not even for the players that pay for AUR

make it quadruple that so he cant afford it. there is no point in allowing you to do so. level up, play some games and grind, or get out. stop looking for the easy way out.

Why not?

this game is the easy way out for kids that have no true skill but a bunch of time on their hands

that way when the Ps4 comes out in a year we can all forget about this game

Pdiggy22 this game is designed to be able to adapt to the PS4. Please do some research before you spew your vomit here.

Gonna have to agree with them and say no respec. I like the idea of having to stick with my choices when it comes to SP.

allow me to reset my points with some sort of penalty, aka losing a % of earned skills and in return I get to put my points else where.

No.
u have no set max player lvl skills will always be added as time goes on and stuff is added.
no need for a respec, take careful planning of what u want and u wont make mistakes

Welcome to New Eden, When i want to go to a new type of ship or new race of ships, i need to use Sh*t gear

thats not the point.

It's boring as hell using the same **** over and over.

and then if I want to switch it up, I have to use half-assed gear

u have 3 character slots
have 1 for each build if u wanna try stuff out

Am I missing something here? Isn't having two extra character slots more or less a respec,if all you want to do is try other things out?

Play your first character for about a month,let the other two characters passively train(since you earn about a point every four seconds, that comes out to 604,800 SP on top of whatever you start out with).Problem solved.Instant respec.

Or you could always just delete your first character.Either way,I really don't understand the point of asking for the ability to respec.

Never should respecing be done, not even for the players that pay for AUR

props for a decent solution, didnt think of that.


Still going to take a ridiculous amount of time

are you serious?

this isnt EVE a point and click minimal skill game, stop with the ****** ****

yea lets make it where if you want to try something new you have to play for months on end!


that way when the Ps4 comes out in a year we can all forget about this game

I'll would concede that say you were playing with you main character and decided that it's time to use one of your alts,It would be interesting if you could transfer SP,ISK or AUR to your other characters.

This does not include if you have three more characters training on an alternate PS3 account.It would only transfer within those three characters within a single PSN ID.

SP doesn't make you better at shooting people in the face and neither does gear. If you've got fps skills you'll still get plenty of SP to build your second specialization.

Skill spikes...

how do those work?

You wouldnt need this if u used a brain cell and thought b4 u spent SP. Its called look at the market. Get an idea of what u want and what it takes to use it then train for that. Not just go o o o o o i have enough sp for that skill (what does it do hell if i know but i have enough sp for it) 30 seconds later hmmm that didnt help me 1 bit guess i shouldnt have wasted 1.2 mill sp on it after all. boo hoo boo hoo i want a redo.

You pay AUR and temporarily buy the skill. It doesn't give you any SP, but you can inject HAV 1 for example, even without any points in vehicle command.

Skill clusters will give you a whole group of skills, for example an armor cluster might give you the ability to use advanced plates and reps.

You can only have two spikes and one cluster, but you could rent access to new stuff to decide if you want to buy, if that's your style.

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

yea lets make it where if you want to try something new you have to play for months on end!


that way when the Ps4 comes out in a year we can all forget about this game

No

Never allow respec.

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

Why not?

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

If upon death you can upload to a new clone, why shouldn't we be able to have the option in the character sheet to upload all the clone's skill sets, make adjustments as far as changing skills then download new skills? You should be able to change and tweak your clone just give it a memory wipe and reconfig.

Well, let's see.

In Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, technology is created to knock patients out into a dream state so they can probe the mind to remove certain thoughts and memories.

In Inception, Jack Dawson, Bane, and the kid from 3rd Rock from the Sun are able to go inside your dreams to implant new dreams/thoughts.

SO!

You take the memory removal technology from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, then bring in Cobb and Co. from Inception to enter your dreams while you're getting your memories removed to implant new thoughts...

I don't know, make it into a mini-game of sorts and I guess it coooooooooooould be possible.

Kind of like the matrix if you will, say your sitting in your quarters at your laptop uploading your skills ( same as when you die and it transfers to the clone) You upload and then wipe all your skills except for computer skills hehe then change them then download them to yourself.

lol, does your head hurt yet?

lol, does your head hurt yet?

Well, I'm just thinking within the box. The box being sandbox. Because after all, that is what Dust 514 will ultimately end up being. A sandbox MMOFPS.

A true sandbox game not only gives the player free, full control, but it is also shaped for the better or for the worse by the decisions and actions made by the player.

If a player fails to allocate their skills, they will do horrible on the battlefield. They alone could cause their side to lose. They're almost a liability. That player will come to the forums, asking for help, and it will be explained to them. The ones who get it will either make do with what they have or just create a new character. Others will probably leave the game.

EVE has had this mechanic since day 1. So much time and effort is put into skills. It separates the elite from the fodder. People quit EVE. I'd say every day a new player joins EVE, and probably doesn't last the full trial period. However, for that one player, there is always a player who doesn't quit.

You'd be surprised how popular EVE is becoming. People are tired of the same game. People are tired of having everything handed to them. People want change. Not just in the MMORPG genre, but the FPS genre as well. The trailer for Black Ops 2 was met with a yawn, even by the most respected gaming websites and communities.

More and more people are trying out games like EVE, Darkfall Online, Mortal Online, Face of Mankind, WWII Online, Planetside, because these games don't hand you everything. Hell, even the free shard of Ultima Online I play on is growing with people who are tired of the standard MMO and have never played UO before.

Planetside and WWII Online are prime examples of how well a persistent sandbox game can be implemented into an FPS. Mortal Online could be considered an FPS, but with bows and swords and such.

Yes, I admit that by adding respec, the feeling of sandbox isn't fully removed. However, it does take away that your decisions and choices ultimately defines YOU.

/debate

I'd like to thank you for a professional debate. This forum needs to see more of this, and less of, "If you don't agree with me, HTFU or GTFO!"

Which, by the way, if you really want respec, HTFU or GTFO.

I kid.

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

No respecing! Your choices matter. Spend carefully. Also its not like you are stuck with the drop suit build that you have made. You can always start to grind out a new sp path, however, your past choices will matter and they will remain with your character for the rest of its life. The entire respecing idea is apart of the instant gradification crowd that makes me sick. Not willing to put some effort into anything and when something gets hard, you look up the cheat/hint online or complain, trying to get the developer to make it easier... Pathetic.

Thats just it thats not what this game is about. Just like eve. Its not about I want to be a assault guy right now 20 sec later i want to be a recon guy 30 mins later i want to be a logi guy. Its about picking a role and sticking with it. In the 9 yrs ccp has had eve up and going they havent let people respend all their points. The only time this has happen is if and when they removed a skill u had trained u got those SP and those only back to respend. But never have they let u take all ur sp and respend it. So i doubt that they will ever do this in dust514.

As for am i dumb. Nope im not asking to repsend my sp i make sure im using them right the first time. unlike so many mag, cod, bf, and any other old fps games not use to spending sp.

Hey... I thought this thread was about redistributing skill points...

how is it instant gradification if I already earned the SP?

are you dumb?

Why not be able to buy a respec you can already take the easy way out by buying sp boosters. What's the difference?

This is supposed to be a fun futuristic style game. You should be able to upload the data from your clone, make changes aka rearrange your skill points, then download.

Why not be able to buy a respec you can already take the easy way out by buying sp boosters. What's the difference?

okay, with that logic, give my capsuleer that and I could see it being okay in Dust.

oh wait, that would be horrible.

The philosophy of New Eden is the only arguement to be made.

NOT EVE

PC games are way different as the platform never changes, ps4 will be out with much better online and games making dust irrelevant

Even with +50% SP bonus at the end of your matches it'd take a long time to make as much SP as regulars will have after a couple of months. Especially when you take into account the fact that we're playing on a 4x multiplier with SP during this beta, so really it's supposed to be much slower.

One allows you to gain +50% SP for a set number of days or w/e while the other allows a player to reallocate ALL of their SP (however massive).

There's a big difference in time consumption, +50% is very minimal if we're dealing with 25% of the SP rate we have right now and seeing as we have no cap on SP we could be talking about being able to reallocate some massive amounts of SP.

Having to stick with your decisions you make while building up your character is/was a feature I really enjoyed in EVE. If someone new started out and got into exploration, they could easily surpass me in that field because I wasn't trained into it and there is no overnight fix to that like a respec.

It's not that you won't be able to change your playstyle or anything like that, you just won't be able to while keeping the same level of efficiency. Be careful of what you train into because you won't be able to undo it, I really, really doubt that CCP would change this feature for dust.

This game is already easy after grinding it out, let's not make it even easier by allowing people to respec into whatever the cheapest thing of the week is (example: decked out scouts with swarm launchers vs infantry). Oh this got nerfed? Time to respec into the next best!

I'd rather have everybody on even terms then uneven terms.

Games going to be super boring

I'd rather have everybody on even terms then uneven terms.

if u stay in hisec yes
lower security systems and gladiator arenas no

Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?

Exactly, as would I, but it's not looking like it will be that way.

I haven't read up much on how the high sec and low sec will work and the gladiator arenas and whatever so it's all up in the air. If they can do a good job at keeping the high SP players separate from the low SP players then great, the more even the playing field the better.

but what is considered a reasonable amount of time to put into a game to make it so?

if I drop 1000-2000 hours on a game I should be 99% maxed out, anything more then that is beyond logical.

It's a terrible design flaw imo, you should want people to put in time but not to the point where it's almost a job.

The quicker the leveling the quicker everyone maxes out, the quicker the game becomes balanced and fun with freedom to make choices.

you cant judge a game by whats not there.

you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"

Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?

No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within.

See #1

Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare.

based on the current build, they might have to stick with the pc.

What they did on pc is irrelevant till they actually put something quality on console.

You really just can't please everyone

This game. Boring?

....

HAHAHAHAHAHA, damn man, you must HATE other FPS games then...sounds like this is just the wrong genre for you man, go play some checkers or something, I hear that games wicked balanced

You really just can't please everyone

This game. Boring?

....

HAHAHAHAHAHA, damn man, you must HATE other FPS games then...sounds like this is just the wrong genre for you man, go play some checkers or something, I hear that games wicked balanced

Give them a chance to put something of good quality on console, it's not the finished product yet, we shouldn't be judging a true beta by face value. It's like they JUST got it to where the game is able to run and people can run around and test the mechanics they've implemented so far.

You can't judge a game by whats not there, so why are we judging a game that's not finished?

i'll give them the next build but i dont see a miracle update coming jmo

This thread = TL;DR

You can respec and lose a % of you SP. You delete your char by pressing square on the character select screen. The % depends on how far along you are. I have no intention of losing 97% of my SP.

allow me to reset my points with some sort of penalty, aka losing a % of earned skills and in return I get to put my points else where.

Or just a big warning in the beginning saying READ the stats of the skills before putting points into it because they are permanent. (of course you would also need a skill tree)

Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point.

Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point.

So you go and pick up a set of the militia gear, and go running and gunning with that.. Sure you won't be as awesome as you were with your other stuff, but you can experience a different type of game style.. OR.. you can spread out your skill points and have access to all the advanced but none of the proto gear.. The game is all about how YOU want to play.. there is no BEST fit/ BEST skill BEST class.. You just have to realize that you won't be the star of every game.



Perhaps the best solution would be to have the main splash screen read.

"Check your EGO at the start screen. because it doesn't matter for crap past this stage"

We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :)

We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :)

Choose wisely, actually.

Eve Universe = who's paying CCP to crank out a free to play shooter for you ungreatfull twits.

Consequences, guess what, they exist everywhere, get over it.

Decisions, how do you think you determine what consequences are headed your way.


As for a respec - does TF2 allow you to put your spy advancement onto your heavy? Does BF2142 let you put the points you earn as a rifleman into your engineer? For that matter, tell me what FPS game does allow a "respec" where you get to take your advancement in one class and apply it to another.........




I'm waiting..........


Still waiting......

Eve Universe = who's paying CCP to crank out a free to play shooter for you ungreatfull twits.

Consequences, guess what, they exist everywhere, get over it.

Decisions, how do you think you determine what consequences are headed your way.


As for a respec - does TF2 allow you to put your spy advancement onto your heavy? Does BF2142 let you put the points you earn as a rifleman into your engineer? For that matter, tell me what FPS game does allow a "respec" where you get to take your advancement in one class and apply it to another.........




I'm waiting..........


Still waiting......

MAG let's you respec. You allocate points into a skill tree to specialize in that tree. After a while that player can reset their sp and then reallocate. Its common to skill up in assault first, then respec into the field you truly want.


Do you see the trend here? Another "Lets make this game MAG 2.0. Otherwise i wont be any good and I wont like the game."

This game is not at all like MAG, I just enjoyed this ability.

Am I missing something here? Isn't having two extra character slots more or less a respec,if all you want to do is try other things out?

Play your first character for about a month,let the other two characters passively train(since you earn about a point every four seconds, that comes out to 604,800 SP on top of whatever you start out with).Problem solved.Instant respec.

Or you could always just delete your first character.Either way,I really don't understand the point of asking for the ability to respec.

Was bored looking back over old posts and thought about this ^ for a minute and I really don't agree with your other two characters passively training. I think you should only get passive SP for the character you are using, the other two should be stagnant slots.

Each character gets passive skilling.

Active skilling allows you to outpace passive skilling.

BREAK

There are a million reasons why respecing should NEVER be allowed.

1. This game has consequences. If you spend points, they are spent.
2. If you allow respecing, then all a player would need to do is get barely enough SP's to get the best drop suit and weapon pairing, then respec whenever you want to do a different role, that is bad game design, if you can't see that, I can't help you.
3. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. In the real world, if you have a degree in english and decide that you want a job in engineering, you can't respec your Brittish Lit skill for Calculus instead. It doesn't work that way.
4. Respec-ing makes games easier, this game is supposed to be hard. Unabashedly hard. Completely unapologetically hardcore.
5. Respec-ing is a bad idea and if you want it, you should feel bad.

Its a video game not the real world nothing in this game relates to the real world but ok

Make it cost AUR and penalize the unconversion of a skill.

Unconverted skills are slowly untrained but boost passive sp gain.

Skills being untrained are locked in that way and completely untrain the level and cannot be boosted a level in that time.

Remember dust 514 is free to play and if there is any way I would scrape money out of the players this is surely one of them.

They are still going to suffer the concequences of having a skill locked out, losing skill points (as currently dust marines are UNABLE to lose SP at ALL) and hopefully learn from thier mistakces.

Making it slow and tedious can make it discouraging to overabuse it.

OMG will a dev or GM PLZ for the love of pete lock this thread already. this horse is dead plz stop these people from beating it any more.

it is but not one EVE player can give a decent argument against it, as usual.

Make it cost AUR and penalize the unconversion of a skill.

Unconverted skills are slowly untrained but boost passive sp gain.

Skills being untrained are locked in that way and completely untrain the level and cannot be boosted a level in that time.

Remember dust 514 is free to play and if there is any way I would scrape money out of the players this is surely one of them.

They are still going to suffer the concequences of having a skill locked out, losing skill points (as currently dust marines are UNABLE to lose SP at ALL) and hopefully learn from thier mistakces.

Making it slow and tedious can make it discouraging to overabuse it.

A mod really needs to make the DECISION to lock this thread. The nonstop bickering and opinion hating is bad for growing the community within the EVE UNIVERSE.

I've said it time and time again, people need to wake up and realize we aren't playing EVE and we aren't playing MAG. We're playing Dust 514. Failure to realize this is going to result in dire CONSEQUENCES when it comes time to launch and there will be no community to help new players realize their CHOICES.


Was that good enough for you gangsta?

Maybe there could be a compromise. I've been in the beta a few weeks now and I still find the leveling system a bit daunting.

Maybe there could be a 'point of no return' to help ease players into the complexity of leveling characters. Something like once you've upgraded and tried 10 skills you can respec if you wish, but it'd be an one time deal only. The only reason I side with the people that would welcome a respec is the fact that I could play for a week, realise I've made a mistake and then I will have lost a weeks effort.

I see a lot of elitism on these boards. 'If they don't understand it let them go back to CoD, we don't want them here'. I'm not an idiot, but I'm not affraid to say I could use a little help. I'm on the forum every day trying to learn as much as I can, but I still feel out of my depth and the ability to at least have a partial respec would help a lot.

MAG let's you respec. You allocate points into a skill tree to specialize in that tree. After a while that player can reset their sp and then reallocate. Its common to skill up in assault first, then respec into the field you truly want.


Do you see the trend here? Another "Lets make this game MAG 2.0. Otherwise i wont be any good and I wont like the game."

Maybe there could be a compromise. I've been in the beta a few weeks now and I still find the leveling system a bit daunting.

Maybe there could be a 'point of no return' to help ease players into the complexity of leveling characters. Something like once you've upgraded and tried 10 skills you can respec if you wish, but it'd be an one time deal only. The only reason I side with the people that would welcome a respec is the fact that I could play for a week, realise I've made a mistake and then I will have lost a weeks effort.

I see a lot of elitism on these boards. 'If they don't understand it let them go back to CoD, we don't want them here'. I'm not an idiot, but I'm not affraid to say I could use a little help. I'm on the forum every day trying to learn as much as I can, but I still feel out of my depth and the ability to at least have a partial respec would help a lot.

Since CCP likes games to be as much like IRL as possible then we should be allowed to use hax to boost our performance.

I should be able to pay to win as countless people do IRL.

I should be able to buy any gun I want and use it when I want.

If it was really like IRL then every single skill should take months if not years to perfect and must require testing for certification.

Lets add a Dust academy where you can ask your crush to prom too.

Or we can agree its a video game.

If you can pay to boost SP you should be able to pay to reallocate it.

Dont preach anything goes gameplay and then tear up about respecing. hypocrites

So the other night i was derailing a thread for no reason

No to hypocrisy. If you can pay to get more sp you should be able to pay to reallocate it.
This is new eden everything goes remember or is it only that way when it better serves your argument?

true, maybe a respec should be allowed, at an appropriately scaled cost of Aur compared to boosters. So, a 7 day 50% booster is what $5 or so, right? and if you play well we're looking at what, 200k experience or so in that time for the average player in hisec? And respeccing would be WAAAAAY faster and easier than a booster... so, what, double the cost? So, $50 per 1 million SP to respec? I'm ok with that, and it would be right in line with the other purchasable items. Great idea.

So wait, let me make sure I'm understanding your right. You are telling me you believe i should have to spend $100 to respec my character? You would actually spend that much money to respec a dust character?

I believe there should be a respec option in dust but it definitely shouldn't cost money. It should be a system similar to MAG in that you can respec but you need to earn the points required to do it again. In a game with such a steep learning curve, everyone has invested skill points into something they didn't want without knowing what they were doing. Why should we have to pay cash money to relocate hard earned skill points if we decide to go a different route?

Say someone decides "hey you know this skill launcher was pretty fun and all, but i have noticed that in the process of using it, i find myself being attracted to men the more i use it, so i would like to respec for AR now." That is a great decision on their part not only for them but also the entire dust community, but if it is some ridiculous amount of money required, said person may decide "nope, it costs too much to respec, so it looks like I'm going to keep spamming my skill launcher liek a BOASSSSSS." At which point several prospective dust players leave because Mr. Back Door Cowboy couldn't respec at a resonable cost.

true, maybe a respec should be allowed, at an appropriately scaled cost of Aur compared to boosters. So, a 7 day 50% booster is what $5 or so, right? and if you play well we're looking at what, 200k experience or so in that time for the average player in hisec? And respeccing would be WAAAAAY faster and easier than a booster... so, what, double the cost? So, $50 per 1 million SP to respec? I'm ok with that, and it would be right in line with the other purchasable items. Great idea.

With such a convoluted and misleading skill tree people are bound to accidentally spec the wrong skill inadvertently. Having to study up on skills is not exactly what most would call fun.

You do realize that once the game goes live, and this 4x exp thing is over, you'll be lucky to get 200k sp a day right??

So wait, let me make sure I'm understanding your right. You are telling me you believe i should have to spend $100 to respec my character? You would actually spend that much money to respec a dust character?

I believe there should be a respec option in dust but it definitely shouldn't cost money. It should be a system similar to MAG in that you can respec but you need to earn the points required to do it again. In a game with such a steep learning curve, everyone has invested skill points into something they didn't want without knowing what they were doing. Why should we have to pay cash money to relocate hard earned skill points if we decide to go a different route?

Say someone decides "hey you know this skill launcher was pretty fun and all, but i have noticed that in the process of using it, i find myself being attracted to men the more i use it, so i would like to respec for AR now." That is a great decision on their part not only for them but also the entire dust community, but if it is some ridiculous amount of money required, said person may decide "nope, it costs too much to respec, so it looks like I'm going to keep spamming my skill launcher liek a BOASSSSSS." At which point several prospective dust players leave because Mr. Back Door Cowboy couldn't respec at a resonable cost.

Well, there is something we can agree on, the skill tree is a mess. If they dont clean it up then this is all moot, the game wont last long enough for any of this to matter. The answer to the terrible neocom UI isnt to allow respecs, the answer is fixing the neocom so it's not a jumbled mess.

Noc, did you forget to type a response or is it in there somewhere with bad formatting and I'm just not catching it?

Noc, did you forget to type a response or is it in there somewhere with bad formatting and I'm just not catching it?

There is a reason CCP hasn't locked this thread yet and its because some of the posts still have some merit based arguments in them.

If you don't want to discuss it, leave it be.

No need to deliberately try to derail the thread just because you don't think the topic is worthy of discussion. You are not the ultimate arbiter of internet topic validity sir.

And u are a class a moron. This thread is 100% pointless. This very thing as been asked for in eve for nearly 9 yrs and hasnt been added yet. What makes noobs from magfag and crying on duty think theya re going to put it in dust. U make urchoice and live with it. Even if 6 months down the road u find out it screwed u over big time u live learn and eal and move on.

And fyi dont change someones post when u quote it. it shows ur age and IQ lv as very low and almost WOW player like.

I was just carrying mylagislegends argument out to it's logical conclusion. And if you want to learn AR after leveling up the launcher, just start learning AR. No respec needed. I dont understand why we would remove the need for SP by allowing respecs, that would completely ruin the entire MMO skill leveling aspect of the game. You want to learn something new, you just start leveling it, that's the entire freaking point. If you dont want to level skills, then dont play dust. Because "I want respecs" and "I dont want to level skills" is the same argument in this game.

Respecs without a prohibitive cost will straight up ruin dust, if you can't see that then you dont understand the game on even the most basic level.

The prohibitive cost is the ability to only respec once in a great while. Respecing will not ruin this game, having to play for 3 weeks straight just to level your character high enough to not get raped by those who already have maxed out characters will.

The prohibitive cost is the ability to only respec once in a great while. Respecing will not ruin this game, having to play for 3 weeks straight just to level your character high enough to not get raped by those who already have maxed out characters will.

How is the neocomm a mess? I mean other then the lagg..

let's see.. you have all your options.. you have sub menus in your menus.. from what I remember here, most of the submenus are in their proper menus.. so how exactly is this a mess? or is it a mess because you have more than 3 items on the menu?

Not to compare, but how is the menu on the left side of the screen, different from the scrolling menu on the bottom of MAG.


I do agree that there needs to be a way to see ALL the skills.. maybe a check box like in eve, where you can select All skills, or all skills available.. that way, you can plan out your skill progression.

...you can respec but you need to earn the points required to do it again.

majority have a problem comprehending this

well, I typed out a long response, but the forum ate my post, so now you get a short version. Basically, a player shouldn't have to move back and forth between the character sheet and the marketplace to figure out what a particular branch on the skill tree looks like. It's needless obfuscation that doesn't add any depth to the system. The info section for skills should outline for the player what the skill tree it's attached to looks like so we don't always have to jump back and forth between two different areas just to deduce basic information. I shouldn't have to go to the marketplace to get information about skills, that's just silly and counter-intuitive.

Also, I do love the skill system as it is, it just needs more clarity, I'm not trying to be a negative nancy, it's just this has already been discussed at greater length in other threads in a much more constructive manner, so I was just trying to paraphrase.

lastly, sorry Noc, I wasn't trying to be rude, when I responded earlier the second fixed post wasn't up yet.

because your point doesn't apply in the game.. read my post above

I agree with you 100% in this..but I don't think it's really a neocomm issue.. just an extra page on the skills tab should take care of that. (I do like the fact that you have to check each EQ to figure out what skills you need. so that part I hope stays)

Guess my contention was not the problem itself, just the cause of it.

I originally added this in an edit to my previous post but it was buried.

Hoping not to offend anyone, I'm sorry but some of use here have jobs and lives that are more important then dust, and we just don't have the time to sit and put 80 more hours into dust because i want to play with an AR instead of an lmg, even though we already put in several hours to get the skill points needed to level up our character in the first place. Maybe if this game had more return playability, but as it sits it is stale and not something I'm willing to struggle through again just because i want to change my loadout.

Especially considering there are players out there already maxed out, coming into battle with a barebones loadout, you are going to get your ass handed to you for quite a while no matter how good you are. In which time (at least i would) go play another game because it is stupid getting killed in 4 shots while you watch the other player bunnyhop through your rounds and regen shields faster then you can reload.

For me it is a game killer without it. If I started as a class and decided i wanted to play something else, especially after putting several hours into the game already, and was told no you need to do it all over again i wouldn't (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares this opinion). Even if you could only do it 3 times total ever over the course of your character, that is better than not giving the option at all.

This is my opinion.

I originally added this in an edit to my previous post but it was buried.

Hoping not to offend anyone, I'm sorry but some of use here have jobs and lives that are more important then dust, and we just don't have the time to sit and put 80 more hours into dust because i want to play with an AR instead of an lmg, even though we already put in several hours to get the skill points needed to level up our character in the first place. Maybe if this game had more return playability, but as it sits it is stale and not something I'm willing to struggle through again just because i want to change my loadout.

Especially considering there are players out there already maxed out, coming into battle with a barebones loadout, you are going to get your ass handed to you for quite a while no matter how good you are. In which time (at least i would) go play another game because it is stupid getting killed in 4 shots while you watch the other player bunnyhop through your rounds and regen shields faster then you can reload.

For me it is a game killer without it. If I started as a class and decided i wanted to play something else, especially after putting several hours into the game already, and was told no you need to do it all over again i wouldn't (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares this opinion). Even if you could only do it 3 times total ever over the course of your character, that is better than not giving the option at all.

This is my opinion.

There will be militia versions of basically any type of gear to go derp around with in HiSec, Also, your character can just keep leveling, and you don't have to be DOING the thing you want to level in order to level it. Lastly, getting to a lvl 3 or so on most gear really won't take that long, and if you're not a "hardcore" player, that will likely be enough to participate in most "non elite" situations.

I mean look man, I get what you're saying, but unfortunately I just don't see a way to balance such a ridiculously OP and gamebreaking mechanic. It just completely nullifies what is the entire basic premise of how the game's "leveling" structure works.

I must admit though, I can't really see the harm in allowing say 1 respec per year, for a non-prohibitive fee. The big problem is allowing respecs without a HUUUUGGE drawback just completely nullifies the need for SP past a few million.

Respec is a tool for games that have level caps yet do not have a scaled experience. DUST does not fit either part of that criteria.

Respec is a tool for games that have level caps yet do not have a scaled experience. DUST does not fit either part of that criteria.

To address the OP - CCP has been quite adamant about one thing: decisions matter in New Eden. The skills you choose have a cost in ISK, SP, and in the opportunity cost of not training another skill with that SP or using that ISK to purchase new weapons.

Consider your actions wisely before making them.

Also, these games (DUST and EVE) are not built to be type of game where players can max out their characters after a few months of hard playing. That endgame is much, much further out and the inability to respec goes towards it.

says who?

dust needs to be funded by money, so it fits that criteria.

If respecs cost 1 real dollar, they would probably make a million in sales from that alone.

thanks for repeating what everyone else has said, you really stand out.

It's not about making wise decisions it's about a game becoming boring and having no replay ability.

Well said.


Oh, and stop rail gunning me.

I can't ... stop. Help. Me. *RAILGUN*

says who?

dust needs to be funded by money, so it fits that criteria.

If respecs cost 1 real dollar, they would probably make a million in sales from that alone.

Sorry. It seems that some people on the forum have difficulty with their reading comprehension. And I'm not looking to stand out.

And unfortunately, it is about making wise decisions over long periods of time. In fact, that is pretty much the entire point behind the EVE/DUST skill system. It's a persistent world with persistent characters, items, and environments. Your choices matter. Don't like that? DUST and EVE probably aren't the type of game you'll enjoy in the long run, then.

Besides the fact CCP has yet to put out anything remotely decent.

Paying to respec would be a clear cut example of Pay2Win. As a result it should not be done.

Paying to respec would be a clear cut example of Pay2Win. As a result it should not be done.

Really? Really?

Explain

name one quality thing on console?

how many games have you developed for the ps3? or any console in general?

Besides the fact CCP has yet to put out anything remotely decent, I think it's safe to say this game currently mixed with the mass about of time required to have an enjoyable playing experience will fail.

NOBODY will want to play a repetitive game WHILE being handicapped.

The ability to quickly adapt your character would allow you to outclass and couter tactics and builds created by people who don't pay to respec.

Example: Corp A is HAV heavy and has trained up this way for a long time. Corp B gets wind of this and knows they will face them in an upcoming match. Corp B pays to respec their troops to be all anti HAV and stomps Corp A.

This is a simple and flawed example, but you can see that respecs would allow a death spiral in balancing to occur very quickly.

There is nothing quick about respecting you would be kicked from the game before you could Finnish I can barely restock my drop suit before getting kicked

None, though it's a bit of an irrelevant question. I'm not the one making personal recommendations for how the game should play out. I'm restating the developer's stated intentions. That being said, I assume your own development lead CV must make for mightily long reading.



Well, they've got EVE. So there's that...

And despite the beta status a bugs, there are lots of players here who seem to already be having an enjoyable experience. Again...maybe this isn't the game for you? It seems like you do not like a lot of the core concepts. It's okay - it's not the end of the world.



Repetitive? I'm sorry, but fighting across 7,000 planets, presumably more than 50,000 districts, maps ranging from 5km to over 25km and each with a unique setup of infrastructure and targets just doesn't sound like repetitive to me. Especially when I consider the myriad fittings available and the addition of meaningful vehicular combat. And I guess that's not considering the fact that we are accepting contracts and working for players in another game, protecting and destroying their assets in a totally player controlled way. And that the tie in isn't just fluff - we can kill them, and they can kill us.

So I'm just not seeing the repetition, especially when I consider the other FPS games I've played. Same teams, same 10 maps. Go go go...

Handicapped? That one I'm really not getting. How exactly are we handicapped?

No.
u have no set max player lvl skills will always be added as time goes on and stuff is added.
no need for a respec, take careful planning of what u want and u wont make mistakes

Oh, I get it...senseless posting, lack of logic, poor arguments...

Man, do I feel stupid. I don't usually take the troll bait...but man, you got me good.

Fight the good fight, brother.

The ability to quickly adapt your character would allow you to outclass and couter tactics and builds created by people who don't pay to respec.

Example: Corp A is HAV heavy and has trained up this way for a long time. Corp B gets wind of this and knows they will face them in an upcoming match. Corp B pays to respec their troops to be all anti HAV and stomps Corp A.

This is a simple and flawed example, but you can see that respecs would allow a death spiral in balancing to occur very quickly.