well, I typed out a long response, but the forum ate my post, so now you get a short version. Basically, a player shouldn't have to move back and forth between the character sheet and the marketplace to figure out what a particular branch on the skill tree looks like. It's needless obfuscation that doesn't add any depth to the system. The info section for skills should outline for the player what the skill tree it's attached to looks like so we don't always have to jump back and forth between two different areas just to deduce basic information. I shouldn't have to go to the marketplace to get information about skills, that's just silly and counter-intuitive.

Also, I do love the skill system as it is, it just needs more clarity, I'm not trying to be a negative nancy, it's just this has already been discussed at greater length in other threads in a much more constructive manner, so I was just trying to paraphrase.

lastly, sorry Noc, I wasn't trying to be rude, when I responded earlier the second fixed post wasn't up yet.

because your point doesn't apply in the game.. read my post above

I agree with you 100% in this..but I don't think it's really a neocomm issue.. just an extra page on the skills tab should take care of that. (I do like the fact that you have to check each EQ to figure out what skills you need. so that part I hope stays)

Guess my contention was not the problem itself, just the cause of it.

I originally added this in an edit to my previous post but it was buried.

Hoping not to offend anyone, I'm sorry but some of use here have jobs and lives that are more important then dust, and we just don't have the time to sit and put 80 more hours into dust because i want to play with an AR instead of an lmg, even though we already put in several hours to get the skill points needed to level up our character in the first place. Maybe if this game had more return playability, but as it sits it is stale and not something I'm willing to struggle through again just because i want to change my loadout.

Especially considering there are players out there already maxed out, coming into battle with a barebones loadout, you are going to get your ass handed to you for quite a while no matter how good you are. In which time (at least i would) go play another game because it is stupid getting killed in 4 shots while you watch the other player bunnyhop through your rounds and regen shields faster then you can reload.

For me it is a game killer without it. If I started as a class and decided i wanted to play something else, especially after putting several hours into the game already, and was told no you need to do it all over again i wouldn't (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares this opinion). Even if you could only do it 3 times total ever over the course of your character, that is better than not giving the option at all.

This is my opinion.

I originally added this in an edit to my previous post but it was buried.

Hoping not to offend anyone, I'm sorry but some of use here have jobs and lives that are more important then dust, and we just don't have the time to sit and put 80 more hours into dust because i want to play with an AR instead of an lmg, even though we already put in several hours to get the skill points needed to level up our character in the first place. Maybe if this game had more return playability, but as it sits it is stale and not something I'm willing to struggle through again just because i want to change my loadout.

Especially considering there are players out there already maxed out, coming into battle with a barebones loadout, you are going to get your ass handed to you for quite a while no matter how good you are. In which time (at least i would) go play another game because it is stupid getting killed in 4 shots while you watch the other player bunnyhop through your rounds and regen shields faster then you can reload.

For me it is a game killer without it. If I started as a class and decided i wanted to play something else, especially after putting several hours into the game already, and was told no you need to do it all over again i wouldn't (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who shares this opinion). Even if you could only do it 3 times total ever over the course of your character, that is better than not giving the option at all.

This is my opinion.

There will be militia versions of basically any type of gear to go derp around with in HiSec, Also, your character can just keep leveling, and you don't have to be DOING the thing you want to level in order to level it. Lastly, getting to a lvl 3 or so on most gear really won't take that long, and if you're not a "hardcore" player, that will likely be enough to participate in most "non elite" situations.

I mean look man, I get what you're saying, but unfortunately I just don't see a way to balance such a ridiculously OP and gamebreaking mechanic. It just completely nullifies what is the entire basic premise of how the game's "leveling" structure works.

I must admit though, I can't really see the harm in allowing say 1 respec per year, for a non-prohibitive fee. The big problem is allowing respecs without a HUUUUGGE drawback just completely nullifies the need for SP past a few million.

Respec is a tool for games that have level caps yet do not have a scaled experience. DUST does not fit either part of that criteria.

Respec is a tool for games that have level caps yet do not have a scaled experience. DUST does not fit either part of that criteria.

To address the OP - CCP has been quite adamant about one thing: decisions matter in New Eden. The skills you choose have a cost in ISK, SP, and in the opportunity cost of not training another skill with that SP or using that ISK to purchase new weapons.

Consider your actions wisely before making them.

Also, these games (DUST and EVE) are not built to be type of game where players can max out their characters after a few months of hard playing. That endgame is much, much further out and the inability to respec goes towards it.

says who?

dust needs to be funded by money, so it fits that criteria.

If respecs cost 1 real dollar, they would probably make a million in sales from that alone.

thanks for repeating what everyone else has said, you really stand out.

It's not about making wise decisions it's about a game becoming boring and having no replay ability.

Well said.


Oh, and stop rail gunning me.

I can't ... stop. Help. Me. *RAILGUN*

says who?

dust needs to be funded by money, so it fits that criteria.

If respecs cost 1 real dollar, they would probably make a million in sales from that alone.

Sorry. It seems that some people on the forum have difficulty with their reading comprehension. And I'm not looking to stand out.

And unfortunately, it is about making wise decisions over long periods of time. In fact, that is pretty much the entire point behind the EVE/DUST skill system. It's a persistent world with persistent characters, items, and environments. Your choices matter. Don't like that? DUST and EVE probably aren't the type of game you'll enjoy in the long run, then.

Besides the fact CCP has yet to put out anything remotely decent.

Paying to respec would be a clear cut example of Pay2Win. As a result it should not be done.

Paying to respec would be a clear cut example of Pay2Win. As a result it should not be done.

Really? Really?

Explain

name one quality thing on console?

how many games have you developed for the ps3? or any console in general?

Besides the fact CCP has yet to put out anything remotely decent, I think it's safe to say this game currently mixed with the mass about of time required to have an enjoyable playing experience will fail.

NOBODY will want to play a repetitive game WHILE being handicapped.