lol, does your head hurt yet?

lol, does your head hurt yet?

Well, I'm just thinking within the box. The box being sandbox. Because after all, that is what Dust 514 will ultimately end up being. A sandbox MMOFPS.

A true sandbox game not only gives the player free, full control, but it is also shaped for the better or for the worse by the decisions and actions made by the player.

If a player fails to allocate their skills, they will do horrible on the battlefield. They alone could cause their side to lose. They're almost a liability. That player will come to the forums, asking for help, and it will be explained to them. The ones who get it will either make do with what they have or just create a new character. Others will probably leave the game.

EVE has had this mechanic since day 1. So much time and effort is put into skills. It separates the elite from the fodder. People quit EVE. I'd say every day a new player joins EVE, and probably doesn't last the full trial period. However, for that one player, there is always a player who doesn't quit.

You'd be surprised how popular EVE is becoming. People are tired of the same game. People are tired of having everything handed to them. People want change. Not just in the MMORPG genre, but the FPS genre as well. The trailer for Black Ops 2 was met with a yawn, even by the most respected gaming websites and communities.

More and more people are trying out games like EVE, Darkfall Online, Mortal Online, Face of Mankind, WWII Online, Planetside, because these games don't hand you everything. Hell, even the free shard of Ultima Online I play on is growing with people who are tired of the standard MMO and have never played UO before.

Planetside and WWII Online are prime examples of how well a persistent sandbox game can be implemented into an FPS. Mortal Online could be considered an FPS, but with bows and swords and such.

Yes, I admit that by adding respec, the feeling of sandbox isn't fully removed. However, it does take away that your decisions and choices ultimately defines YOU.

/debate

I'd like to thank you for a professional debate. This forum needs to see more of this, and less of, "If you don't agree with me, HTFU or GTFO!"

Which, by the way, if you really want respec, HTFU or GTFO.

I kid.

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

are you dumb?

It has nothing to do with putting in points to something I want, If I just want to change up my style for a day, thats really not possible in this game

No respecing! Your choices matter. Spend carefully. Also its not like you are stuck with the drop suit build that you have made. You can always start to grind out a new sp path, however, your past choices will matter and they will remain with your character for the rest of its life. The entire respecing idea is apart of the instant gradification crowd that makes me sick. Not willing to put some effort into anything and when something gets hard, you look up the cheat/hint online or complain, trying to get the developer to make it easier... Pathetic.

Thats just it thats not what this game is about. Just like eve. Its not about I want to be a assault guy right now 20 sec later i want to be a recon guy 30 mins later i want to be a logi guy. Its about picking a role and sticking with it. In the 9 yrs ccp has had eve up and going they havent let people respend all their points. The only time this has happen is if and when they removed a skill u had trained u got those SP and those only back to respend. But never have they let u take all ur sp and respend it. So i doubt that they will ever do this in dust514.

As for am i dumb. Nope im not asking to repsend my sp i make sure im using them right the first time. unlike so many mag, cod, bf, and any other old fps games not use to spending sp.

Hey... I thought this thread was about redistributing skill points...

how is it instant gradification if I already earned the SP?

are you dumb?

Why not be able to buy a respec you can already take the easy way out by buying sp boosters. What's the difference?

This is supposed to be a fun futuristic style game. You should be able to upload the data from your clone, make changes aka rearrange your skill points, then download.

Why not be able to buy a respec you can already take the easy way out by buying sp boosters. What's the difference?

okay, with that logic, give my capsuleer that and I could see it being okay in Dust.

oh wait, that would be horrible.

The philosophy of New Eden is the only arguement to be made.

NOT EVE

PC games are way different as the platform never changes, ps4 will be out with much better online and games making dust irrelevant

Even with +50% SP bonus at the end of your matches it'd take a long time to make as much SP as regulars will have after a couple of months. Especially when you take into account the fact that we're playing on a 4x multiplier with SP during this beta, so really it's supposed to be much slower.

One allows you to gain +50% SP for a set number of days or w/e while the other allows a player to reallocate ALL of their SP (however massive).

There's a big difference in time consumption, +50% is very minimal if we're dealing with 25% of the SP rate we have right now and seeing as we have no cap on SP we could be talking about being able to reallocate some massive amounts of SP.

Having to stick with your decisions you make while building up your character is/was a feature I really enjoyed in EVE. If someone new started out and got into exploration, they could easily surpass me in that field because I wasn't trained into it and there is no overnight fix to that like a respec.

It's not that you won't be able to change your playstyle or anything like that, you just won't be able to while keeping the same level of efficiency. Be careful of what you train into because you won't be able to undo it, I really, really doubt that CCP would change this feature for dust.

This game is already easy after grinding it out, let's not make it even easier by allowing people to respec into whatever the cheapest thing of the week is (example: decked out scouts with swarm launchers vs infantry). Oh this got nerfed? Time to respec into the next best!

I'd rather have everybody on even terms then uneven terms.

Games going to be super boring

I'd rather have everybody on even terms then uneven terms.

if u stay in hisec yes
lower security systems and gladiator arenas no

Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?