DUST Search - please add the ability to respec

Noc Tempre wrote:

gangsta nachos wrote:

SILENTSAM 69 wrote:

gangsta nachos wrote:

SILENTSAM 69 wrote:

No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.

This idea is bad. it is just plain bad.

So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then.

What would be worse is if people could just flip and be specialized in one path and then change to a whole new one.

The cons out weigh the pros by a large measure.

I feel different obviously but anyway can't speak for everyone but, this is just me if I get 6 months down the road and am not enjoying the game anymore due to the fact I've chosen the wrong path. I'll be damned if I'm going to start putting SP somewhere else (pretty much the same as starting over) and definetly not using the extra character slots ( same as starting over)

I don't care if they gain passive SP I think that is BS as well you should only gain passive SP on the character you are using. If I'm going to start over it will most likely be on a different game because I would have wasted lots of time and SP and there would be no way to get it back.

There should be a way to get your SP back if I have to pay to get it back why should you care, if you don't like it that's fine I do and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you otherwise.

Buy a skill spike then if you absolutely must be able to be an expert in another path immediately.

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[Veteran_Traynor Youngs] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 03:50:00 - [271] - Quote PDIGGY22 wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: The title of the article was "DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game"... Kinda hard to miss. Also, at fanfest at one of the roundtables, the executive producer of DUST, Brandon Laurino, talked about the tech that they had to spend a lot of time developing in order to be able to grow the game for 10 years after launch. That means the ability to port the game to new platform, upgrades to better engines, etc. CCP has done these things before with Eve, they have the technology and the processes to do it. DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game there is no dev quotes there? Seriously dude? They don't TITLE an article with something that is not true. AND its based on the fanfest DUST keynote. Get it through your brain, CCP and Sony are working together on this game.... The game is planned to be in continuing development for 10 years +... the PS4 will be out within that time... HOW COULD THEY NOT BE COMPATIBLE? Game companies don't operate in a vacuum, they plan these things out not just to give you a fun game, but because its their JOB to do so, their PAYCHECK depends on it. /troll feeding
[Veteran_PDIGGY22] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 03:51:00 - [272] - Quote Traynor Youngs wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: The title of the article was "DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game"... Kinda hard to miss. Also, at fanfest at one of the roundtables, the executive producer of DUST, Brandon Laurino, talked about the tech that they had to spend a lot of time developing in order to be able to grow the game for 10 years after launch. That means the ability to port the game to new platform, upgrades to better engines, etc. CCP has done these things before with Eve, they have the technology and the processes to do it. DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game there is no dev quotes there? Seriously dude? They don't TITLE an article with something that is not true. AND its based on the fanfest DUST keynote. Get it through your brain, CCP and Sony are working together on this game.... The game is planned to be in continuing development for 10 years +... the PS4 will be out within that time... HOW COULD THEY NOT BE COMPATIBLE? Game companies don't operate in a vacuum, they plan these things out not just to give you a fun game, but because its their JOB to do so, their PAYCHECK depends on it. /troll feeding nothing official, looks like speculation at best, continue on.
[Veteran_Traynor Youngs] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 03:52:00 - [273] - Quote There is no hope for you Piggy.
[Veteran_PDIGGY22] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 04:04:00 - [274] - Quote Traynor Youngs wrote: There is no hope for you Piggy. say's the guy that can't provide an official quote to support his claims
[Veteran_gangsta nachos] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 04:15:00 - [275] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else. This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. What would be worse is if people could just flip and be specialized in one path and then change to a whole new one. The cons out weigh the pros by a large measure. I feel different obviously but anyway can't speak for everyone but, this is just me if I get 6 months down the road and am not enjoying the game anymore due to the fact I've chosen the wrong path. I'll be damned if I'm going to start putting SP somewhere else (pretty much the same as starting over) and definetly not using the extra character slots ( same as starting over) I don't care if they gain passive SP I think that is BS as well you should only gain passive SP on the character you are using. If I'm going to start over it will most likely be on a different game because I would have wasted lots of time and SP and there would be no way to get it back. There should be a way to get your SP back if I have to pay to get it back why should you care, if you don't like it that's fine I do and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you otherwise.
[Veteran_Noc Tempre] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 04:20:00 - [276] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else. This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. What would be worse is if people could just flip and be specialized in one path and then change to a whole new one. The cons out weigh the pros by a large measure. I feel different obviously but anyway can't speak for everyone but, this is just me if I get 6 months down the road and am not enjoying the game anymore due to the fact I've chosen the wrong path. I'll be damned if I'm going to start putting SP somewhere else (pretty much the same as starting over) and definetly not using the extra character slots ( same as starting over) I don't care if they gain passive SP I think that is BS as well you should only gain passive SP on the character you are using. If I'm going to start over it will most likely be on a different game because I would have wasted lots of time and SP and there would be no way to get it back. There should be a way to get your SP back if I have to pay to get it back why should you care, if you don't like it that's fine I do and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you otherwise. Buy a skill spike then if you absolutely must be able to be an expert in another path immediately.
[Veteran_Shaka Shepard] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 04:23:00 - [277] - Quote If you are a heavy, but you want to be an assault here is what you do, you get an AR and you get good with it as well as upgrade it's skills, you do this with other assault drop-suit fittings on your heavy gradually changing into the Assault type, case closed, thread over.
[Veteran_gangsta nachos] 0	Posted - 2012.06.26 04:24:00 - [278] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: gangsta nachos wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else. This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. What would be worse is if people could just flip and be specialized in one path and then change to a whole new one. The cons out weigh the pros by a large measure. I feel different obviously but anyway can't speak for everyone but, this is just me if I get 6 months down the road and am not enjoying the game anymore due to the fact I've chosen the wrong path. I'll be damned if I'm going to start putting SP somewhere else (pretty much the same as starting over) and definetly not using the extra character slots ( same as starting over) I don't care if they gain passive SP I think that is BS as well you should only gain passive SP on the character you are using. If I'm going to start over it will most likely be on a different game because I would have wasted lots of time and SP and there would be no way to get it back. There should be a way to get your SP back if I have to pay to get it back why should you care, if you don't like it that's fine I do and you can't convince me otherwise just like I can't convince you otherwise. Buy a skill spike then if you absolutely must be able to be an expert in another path immediately. I may try that we shall see but for now let this die and wait for more player input from the open beta then we shall resume its just a hand full of us right now back and forth thanks to everyone for the input on this one To be continued
Jin-roh Hayasaki 38	Posted - 2012.07.06 15:49:00 - [279] - Quote As a player who has never played EVE, I have to say that the ability to respec, while tempting and a feature I wanted at first, is ultimately going to be something I would not want in this game. I have played games such as WoW, Rift, SWTOR, where once you decide I don't like this build anymore, I can just pay an amount and use a known successful cookie cutter layout and improve in a matter of 5 minutes. I didn't feel like I learned anything through trial and error, I just learned how to use the Internet and win. I'm sure that most of these players wishing to respec with all their SP intact (or even a portion) are players who A.) are younger and/or B.) haven't had to make a major life decision and commit to it. For example, I was originally a nursing major in college before I switched over to computers. I spent a lot of time and money on nursing before I realized I didn't want to do that anymore and made the switch. Was I able to get my time back? No. Was I able to get my money back for the classes I completed that no longer were useful to my degree? Of course not. You probably don't understand the argument to use of your other character slots because you've probably never played a game where that was an option. Going back to the WoW example, if I had a lvl 85 hunter and then decided I wanted a lvl 85 shaman (without buying him) I would have to start at lvl 1 and work my way up to lvl 85. Again, you have to invest the time in it if you want it. This is a game that requires team work. It's not CoD, Halo, or BF where kills = win. Players that don't realize this will be gone in a few months because "this game sucks" but really it's just that they didn't understand that this game is different and weren't able to adjust to it.
Max Trichomes Quantum Kittens Syndicate 68	Posted - 2012.07.06 16:00:00 - [280] - Quote Forums Veteran wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: PDIGGY22 wrote: Traynor Youngs wrote: The title of the article was "DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game"... Kinda hard to miss. Also, at fanfest at one of the roundtables, the executive producer of DUST, Brandon Laurino, talked about the tech that they had to spend a lot of time developing in order to be able to grow the game for 10 years after launch. That means the ability to port the game to new platform, upgrades to better engines, etc. CCP has done these things before with Eve, they have the technology and the processes to do it. DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game there is no dev quotes there? Seriously dude? They don't TITLE an article with something that is not true. AND its based on the fanfest DUST keynote. Get it through your brain, CCP and Sony are working together on this game.... The game is planned to be in continuing development for 10 years +... the PS4 will be out within that time... HOW COULD THEY NOT BE COMPATIBLE? Game companies don't operate in a vacuum, they plan these things out not just to give you a fun game, but because its their JOB to do so, their PAYCHECK depends on it. /troll feeding nothing official, looks like speculation at best, continue on. PDIGGY22 you are a complete idiot by every definition of the word. But yes, the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence, you are right. I know the unintelligent usually have an attention span of less than 5 min, so I am sure you won't watch these links. But if somehow you do manage to watch, you will hear the words Playstation 4 plenty of times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnH1dwpkpU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmCRti9dFM Oh and: CEO of CCPHilmar P+¬tursson wrote: If there is a PlayStation 4 GÇô which I can tell you now I have no idea if there is GÇô but if there was, we would build Dust for that console as well. It will most likely be a revision of the experience, as with all updates, and could allow people to play across PS3 and 4. http://www.develop-online.net/features/1528/The-oldest-republic

Zerlathon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2012.07.06 16:08:00 - [281] - Quote Respec would make me a sad chappy It's so refreshing for a game that has you pay for your errors. It will make people THINK about their choices, as well as promote teamwork.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.06 16:10:00 - [282] - Quote Pdiggy, you have posted some great ideas on here. This is by far your best idea yet! Please CCP I beg of thee to do pdiggy's bidding.
Silax Minour Doomheim 29	Posted - 2012.07.21 21:14:00 - [283] - Quote Um... Am I the only person that used the first of the three character slots as a 'test' character? I meen, why be able to 'respec' as it were when you already have THREE chances to 'get it right'? Just a thought...
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.21 21:22:00 - [284] - Quote why why? Why? WHY! Wwwwwwwwwhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How hard is it for people to understand that this game will be able "meaningful" choices and "permanent" consequences? If your consequences are not "permanent" then your previous choices were "meaningless". CCP will not allow this. They know the massive price they will pay if they do. They suffered a taste of that punishment back in 2010 during the Jita Riots and when almost 2,000 players cancelled their subscriptions because of this. The Guiness Book of World Records for Games for 2010 ranked CCP Games at #1 for the most player walkouts in a single month! Because of this, they had to lay off over 100 employees in Shanghai, Atlanta, and in Iceland. This is not the kind of PR CCP wanted and therefore they will not even tempt it again. They shot themselves on the left foot through the left butt cheek with their right hand once. What makes you think they will want to try again with the other foot and the other cheek and the other hand?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:25:00 - [285] - Quote It's not a bad idea to add a respec option for the beta - but it would be stupid to keep it post-release.
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:28:00 - [286] - Quote Instead of a SP penalty it should be isk tbqhimho
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:30:00 - [287] - Quote Omnipotent lilmamaj wrote: Instead of a SP penalty it should be isk tbqhimho yes a percentage of sp and im glad someone bumped this back up if I would have done it I would have never heard the end of it
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:32:00 - [288] - Quote No respec. No softcore MMO. MAG was hard fps with ultra soft MMO. Respecs are for sissies. When you can't afford a clone to hold all of your skills and have to re-train them - consider that your respec.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:32:00 - [289] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21000
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:38:00 - [290] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: Respecs are for sissies.

RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:41:00 - [291] - Quote why was this thread revived?
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.22 07:38:00 - [292] - Quote Why why wont it die?
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.22 07:59:00 - [293] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Why why wont it die? lmao garrett bumped it back up i had so many lols sorry garrett didnt look back far enough
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.22 08:06:00 - [294] - Quote gangsta nachos wrote: Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Why why wont it die? lmao garrett bumped it back up i had so many lols Don't blame me. There were two posts from today before mine. I'm laughing at it too.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.22 08:17:00 - [295] - Quote We should stop bumping it...
Zerlathon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2012.07.22 08:45:00 - [296] - Quote That we should. Oh wait... DAMNIT!
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.22 09:26:00 - [297] - Quote Zerlathon wrote: That we should. Oh wait... DAMNIT! Dude stop it ffs
Xaero 514 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 324	Posted - 2012.07.22 09:47:00 - [298] - Quote I think this I posted in this thread when it was new and I called for respec, but it didn't take me long to see the light. There's no need for respec, the scope of the game is so massive there are no real mistakes to be made when skilling up, just minor inconveniences. I'm surprised there's still an argument for respc here considering players should know DUST well enough by now to make more informed decisions. I think when our characters are wiped again we'll be better prepared in what direction we want to take them. Can this thread die with dignity now, please.
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.07.22 10:22:00 - [299] - Quote decisions and people want to get back in the driver seat of a tank they decided to get out of
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.07.22 11:06:00 - [300] - Quote Rest in peace. You were ugly in life but you served your function well. We wont ever forget you Respec Thread.



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