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[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:57:00 -
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James5955 PFB wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:James5955 PFB wrote:My- Lag-Is-Legend wrote:Why not be able to buy a respec you can already take the easy way out by buying sp boosters. What's the difference? Even with +50% SP bonus at the end of your matches it'd take a long time to make as much SP as regulars will have after a couple of months. Especially when you take into account the fact that we're playing on a 4x multiplier with SP during this beta, so really it's supposed to be much slower. One allows you to gain +50% SP for a set number of days or w/e while the other allows a player to reallocate ALL of their SP (however massive). There's a big difference in time consumption, +50% is very minimal if we're dealing with 25% of the SP rate we have right now and seeing as we have no cap on SP we could be talking about being able to reallocate some massive amounts of SP. Having to stick with your decisions you make while building up your character is/was a feature I really enjoyed in EVE. If someone new started out and got into exploration, they could easily surpass me in that field because I wasn't trained into it and there is no overnight fix to that like a respec. It's not that you won't be able to change your playstyle or anything like that, you just won't be able to while keeping the same level of efficiency. Be careful of what you train into because you won't be able to undo it, I really, really doubt that CCP would change this feature for dust. This game is already easy after grinding it out, let's not make it even easier by allowing people to respec into whatever the cheapest thing of the week is (example: decked out scouts with swarm launchers vs infantry). Oh this got nerfed? Time to respec into the next best! I'd rather have everybody on even terms then uneven terms. Exactly, as would I, but it's not looking like it will be that way. I haven't read up much on how the high sec and low sec will work and the gladiator arenas and whatever so it's all up in the air. If they can do a good job at keeping the high SP players separate from the low SP players then great, the more even the playing field the better.
but what is considered a reasonable amount of time to put into a game to make it so?
if I drop 1000-2000 hours on a game I should be 99% maxed out, anything more then that is beyond logical.
It's a terrible design flaw imo, you should want people to put in time but not to the point where it's almost a job.
The quicker the leveling the quicker everyone maxes out, the quicker the game becomes balanced and fun with freedom to make choices.
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[Veteran_RolyatDerTeufel]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:06:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:
but what is considered a reasonable amount of time to put into a game to make it so?
if I drop 1000-2000 hours on a game I should be 99% maxed out, anything more then that is beyond logical.
It's a terrible design flaw imo, you should want people to put in time but not to the point where it's almost a job.
The quicker the leveling the quicker everyone maxes out, the quicker the game becomes balanced and fun with freedom to make choices.
no one will ever be close to maxed out. |
[Veteran_John Surratt]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:09:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:
you cant judge a game by whats not there.
you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"
Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?
No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within.
See #1
Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare. |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:19:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:
you cant judge a game by whats not there.
you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"
Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?
No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within. See #1 Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare.
based on the current build, they might have to stick with the pc.
What they did on pc is irrelevant till they actually put something quality on console. |
[Veteran_James5955 PFB]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:23:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:John Surratt wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:
you cant judge a game by whats not there.
you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"
Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?
No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within. See #1Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare. based on the current build, they might have to stick with the pc. What they did on pc is irrelevant till they actually put something quality on console.
Give them a chance to put something of good quality on console, it's not the finished product yet, we shouldn't be judging a true beta by face value. It's like they JUST got it to where the game is able to run and people can run around and test the mechanics they've implemented so far.
You can't judge a game by whats not there, so why are we judging a game that's not finished? |
[Veteran_Khazra Khali'un]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:26:00 -
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You really just can't please everyone
This game. Boring?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, damn man, you must HATE other FPS games then...sounds like this is just the wrong genre for you man, go play some checkers or something, I hear that games wicked balanced |
[Veteran_Clover PsyKoz]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:45:00 -
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Never respec....EVER. |
[Veteran_Kyle Drysden]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:51:00 -
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Khazra Khali'un wrote:You really just can't please everyone
This game. Boring?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, damn man, you must HATE other FPS games then...sounds like this is just the wrong genre for you man, go play some checkers or something, I hear that games wicked balanced
You obviosly have never played checkers. A lot of thought and strategy goes into that game.
He'd have more fun by playing shadow. |
[Veteran_Baron Rittmeister]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:54:00 -
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there's no need to respec and I hope they never implement it. There are no levels or a level cap, and i love that. You get good at something, you see something else you like, so you start training that. The great thing is you never lose the points you put into your first loadouts.
The point of a respec is in a system where there are more skills than your level can obtain, but in this system there's no need since you just continue to level and learn. You max out and when you wanna try something new then you just respec and try something else. There's no need for that here. |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:54:00 -
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Khazra Khali'un wrote:You really just can't please everyone
This game. Boring?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, damn man, you must HATE other FPS games then...sounds like this is just the wrong genre for you man, go play some checkers or something, I hear that games wicked balanced
how is this game comparable to any other FPS?
I usually drop 100 kills in a match and then get bored of the game, depending on how good or bad the clan support is in dust, it will likely be the same outcome |
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[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:55:00 -
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James5955 PFB wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:John Surratt wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:
you cant judge a game by whats not there.
you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"
Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?
No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within. See #1Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare. based on the current build, they might have to stick with the pc. What they did on pc is irrelevant till they actually put something quality on console. Give them a chance to put something of good quality on console, it's not the finished product yet, we shouldn't be judging a true beta by face value. It's like they JUST got it to where the game is able to run and people can run around and test the mechanics they've implemented so far. You can't judge a game by whats not there, so why are we judging a game that's not finished?
i'll give them the next build but i dont see a miracle update coming jmo |
[Veteran_James5955 PFB]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:56:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:James5955 PFB wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:John Surratt wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:
you cant judge a game by whats not there.
you eve players love to assume everything is going to work "this" way and have "this"
Now how will hisec, losec and gladiator arena help with the bore of imbalance and such?
No but you can judge it based on 9 years of experience with the developer and the existing framework it by design has to work within. See #1Greater challenge from rival but greater reward in terms of ISK. A chance to make an impact on the larger game, and what you'd term clan vs clan warfare. based on the current build, they might have to stick with the pc. What they did on pc is irrelevant till they actually put something quality on console. Give them a chance to put something of good quality on console, it's not the finished product yet, we shouldn't be judging a true beta by face value. It's like they JUST got it to where the game is able to run and people can run around and test the mechanics they've implemented so far. You can't judge a game by whats not there, so why are we judging a game that's not finished? i'll give them the next build but i dont see a miracle update coming jmo
Yah only time will tell I guess, on a more positive note there's counterstrike to look forward to. |
[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:00:00 -
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This thread = TL;DR
You can respec and lose a % of you SP. You delete your char by pressing square on the character select screen. The % depends on how far along you are. I have no intention of losing 97% of my SP. |
[Veteran_John Surratt]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:02:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:This thread = TL;DR
You can respec and lose a % of you SP. You delete your char by pressing square on the character select screen. The % depends on how far along you are. I have no intention of losing 97% of my SP.
This. lol. |
[Veteran_Phantom Humperdink]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:18:00 -
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A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. |
[Veteran_soko99]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:21:00 -
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Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh.
Or just a big warning in the beginning saying READ the stats of the skills before putting points into it because they are permanent. (of course you would also need a skill tree) |
[Veteran_Glen Duval]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:24:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:allow me to reset my points with some sort of penalty, aka losing a % of earned skills and in return I get to put my points else where.
CCP will never do this. Trust me. |
[Veteran_James5955 PFB]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:24:00 -
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soko99 wrote:Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. Or just a big warning in the beginning saying READ the stats of the skills before putting points into it because they are permanent. (of course you would also need a skill tree)
Yah for sure, or at least have a "all skills" tab next to "available skills". I'm sure they already have that planned though. |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:26:00 -
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Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh.
Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point. |
[Veteran_Phantom Humperdink]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:30:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point.
But that isn't the path CCP want the game to follow, specialism is. I'm all for helping out the newbies who will most likely be intimidated by the Skill System but not respeccing out of boredom. |
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[Veteran_soko99]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:41:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point.
So you go and pick up a set of the militia gear, and go running and gunning with that.. Sure you won't be as awesome as you were with your other stuff, but you can experience a different type of game style.. OR.. you can spread out your skill points and have access to all the advanced but none of the proto gear.. The game is all about how YOU want to play.. there is no BEST fit/ BEST skill BEST class.. You just have to realize that you won't be the star of every game.
Perhaps the best solution would be to have the main splash screen read.
"Check your EGO at the start screen. because it doesn't matter for crap past this stage" |
[Veteran_Phantom Humperdink]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:43:00 -
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soko99 wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point. So you go and pick up a set of the militia gear, and go running and gunning with that.. Sure you won't be as awesome as you were with your other stuff, but you can experience a different type of game style.. OR.. you can spread out your skill points and have access to all the advanced but none of the proto gear.. The game is all about how YOU want to play.. there is no BEST fit/ BEST skill BEST class.. You just have to realize that you won't be the star of every game. Perhaps the best solution would be to have the main splash screen read. "Check your EGO at the start screen. because it doesn't matter for crap past this stage"
He didn't mention anything about anything you just said, just that he wants the ability to respec to try new stuff. I don't agree with that but, you're a bad poster making bad posts and you should feel bad for making bad posts.
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[Veteran_soko99]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:55:00 -
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Phantom Humperdink wrote:soko99 wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:Phantom Humperdink wrote:A really really good mandatory SkillPoint and ISK tutorial should make the need for a respec irrelevant tbh. Its not about putting your skills in the right place the first time it's about getting bored with this game and thinking to yourself man it would be cool to rearrange my skill point. So you go and pick up a set of the militia gear, and go running and gunning with that.. Sure you won't be as awesome as you were with your other stuff, but you can experience a different type of game style.. OR.. you can spread out your skill points and have access to all the advanced but none of the proto gear.. The game is all about how YOU want to play.. there is no BEST fit/ BEST skill BEST class.. You just have to realize that you won't be the star of every game. Perhaps the best solution would be to have the main splash screen read. "Check your EGO at the start screen. because it doesn't matter for crap past this stage" He didn't mention anything about anything you just said, just that he wants the ability to respec to try new stuff. I don't agree with that but, you're a bad poster making bad posts and you should feel bad for making bad posts.
he said he wants to be able to try a different style of gameplay.. which means, different kit and dropsuits does it not? but you can field the militia version of everything right now with no need for skills in those areas.. so essentially, you can play any role you want in militia gear.
Essentially what he's saying is this.. He wants the ability to be a super duper sniper.. once he's bored of that role he want's to be able to respec and be a super duper HMG gunner etc. which is completely against the spirit of the eve universe, where everything you do has consequences. |
[Veteran_Tony Calif]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 22:12:00 -
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We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :) |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:02:00 -
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Most over used words, EVE universe,consequences, decisions
And yes I would like to be a super duper what ever I want |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:04:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :)
With my 3 wishes if I didn't like the first two I'll wish for more wishes and ask to take the old wishes back lol |
[Veteran_John Surratt]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:50:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :)
Choose wisely, actually.  |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.24 23:54:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:Tony Calif wrote:We were granted but 3 wishes. Choose well :) Choose wisely, actually.
cant watch videos at work |
[Veteran_Corvus Ravensong]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:03:00 -
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Eve Universe = who's paying CCP to crank out a free to play shooter for you ungreatfull twits.
Consequences, guess what, they exist everywhere, get over it.
Decisions, how do you think you determine what consequences are headed your way.
As for a respec - does TF2 allow you to put your spy advancement onto your heavy? Does BF2142 let you put the points you earn as a rifleman into your engineer? For that matter, tell me what FPS game does allow a "respec" where you get to take your advancement in one class and apply it to another.........
I'm waiting..........
Still waiting...... |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:09:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:Eve Universe = who's paying CCP to crank out a free to play shooter for you ungreatfull twits.
Consequences, guess what, they exist everywhere, get over it.
Decisions, how do you think you determine what consequences are headed your way.
As for a respec - does TF2 allow you to put your spy advancement onto your heavy? Does BF2142 let you put the points you earn as a rifleman into your engineer? For that matter, tell me what FPS game does allow a "respec" where you get to take your advancement in one class and apply it to another.........
I'm waiting..........
Still waiting......
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