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[Veteran_Roll Sizzle Beef]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:51:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:oh wait... Yes, wait. |
[Veteran_Traynor Youngs]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:51:00 -
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Drake Lyons wrote:Guys, just don't bother.
There are approximately 3-5 people who have expressed a desire for the ability to respect their characters instantly and repeatedly for essentially two reasons.
First, they feel that the game shouldn't take years to build a max character and that careful spending of SP shouldn't really mean anything in the long run. It should only be accrued, and them applied wherever you want it, whenever you want it. In other words, they want skills, but no meaningful progress. They don't want to be stuck in a specialized build, but also want to specialize. They want to have their cake, and eat it too.
Second, they think if people want to pay for it, they should be able to do anything they want.
Then there are at least two dozen people who have made a number of reasoned arguments against such an ability. The numbers are very clear. The problem is, this thread is like arguing with a bird or a fish. Logic, reason, history, nor conscious thought have any power here. There is no way any of the respec proponents are going to suddenly say "Oh, no. That makes sense. It would break the game, break the universe, and go entirely against the wishes of the developers. Yeah, I guess respecs would be bad."
And, ultimately, it doesn't matter. Because CCP would never do respecs like anyone here has mentioned, for all of the reasons that have been mentioned.
Peace. o/
Winning!
Thanks Drake, you nailed it.
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[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:52:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:PDIGGY22 wrote:oh wait... Yes, wait.
a long wait that will be. |
[Veteran_Corvus Ravensong]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:56:00 -
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PDIGGY, I take it since CCP isn't catering to you and making MAG 2, it sucks - I also take it that you have 0 understanding of the development process. The game is still in development, they can release as many buggy, ****** up closed beta builds as they want - what matters about a game surviving is it's condition at launch.
But since you never have anything constructive to say, just "this sucks" and "you need to add this MAG feature to keep your game from sucking" I am wondering why you are even here, and why you bother to log into the beta at all
Dust is NOT MAG 2, it's not going to be MAG 2, come to grips with that or GTFO and go play MAG 2........ |
[Veteran_THCFORME]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:59:00 -
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Drake Lyons wrote:Guys, just don't bother.
There are approximately 3-5 people who have expressed a desire for the ability to respect their characters instantly and repeatedly for essentially two reasons.
First, they feel that the game shouldn't take years to build a max character and that careful spending of SP shouldn't really mean anything in the long run. It should only be accrued, and them applied wherever you want it, whenever you want it. In other words, they want skills, but no meaningful progress. They don't want to be stuck in a specialized build, but also want to specialize. They want to have their cake, and eat it too.
Second, they think if people want to pay for it, they should be able to do anything they want.
Then there are at least two dozen people who have made a number of reasoned arguments against such an ability. The numbers are very clear. The problem is, this thread is like arguing with a bird or a fish. Logic, reason, history, nor conscious thought have any power here. There is no way any of the respec proponents are going to suddenly say "Oh, no. That makes sense. It would break the game, break the universe, and go entirely against the wishes of the developers. Yeah, I guess respecs would be bad."
And, ultimately, it doesn't matter. Because CCP would never do respecs like anyone here has mentioned, for all of the reasons that have been mentioned.
Peace. o/
My only problem with this is in its current state, I don't want to put years of play into this game. I guess a good way to put it is if in the next series of patches there isn't any improvement on core game play, dust will no longer be on my radar of games to play. The only thing respeccing would do for me in this game's current build (and if it doesn't get much better) is to allow me to play all the classes and get some more play time out of it. As it sits i do not want to put time into this game for several reasons; 1. Stat wipes, 2. frustration, 3.LAG, i can keep going on. Considering the time required to do anything remotely fun in this game is outrageous, requiring someone to do it again to change up their play style a little to me isnt worth the time.
Idk though i guess it really doesn't matter, because if dust ends up being exactly like this at release aside from having more modules and generic maps, then you wont have to worry about me being around here qqing anyways.
Back to my original point, we'll see what this game turns into. |
[Veteran_PUT-PROTOMAN-IN GAME]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 00:59:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:PDIGGY, I take it since CCP isn't catering to you and making MAG 2, it sucks - I also take it that you have 0 understanding of the development process. The game is still in development, they can release as many buggy, ****** up closed beta builds as they want - what matters about a game surviving is it's condition at launch.
But since you never have anything constructive to say, just "this sucks" and "you need to add this MAG feature to keep your game from sucking" I am wondering why you are even here, and why you bother to log into the beta at all
Dust is NOT MAG 2, it's not going to be MAG 2, come to grips with that or GTFO and go play MAG 2........
lmfao somebody is mad |
[Veteran_My- Lag-Is-Legend]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:00:00 -
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Ironically you clowns want ccp to make another EVE. Sad you can't let Dust have its own identity within the EVE lore guess EVE FPS is all you really want. Which is funny to hear you call out PIGGY for wanting the game to be more like MAG. |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:01:00 -
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Corvus Ravensong wrote:PDIGGY, I take it since CCP isn't catering to you and making MAG 2, it sucks - I also take it that you have 0 understanding of the development process. The game is still in development, they can release as many buggy, ****** up closed beta builds as they want - what matters about a game surviving is it's condition at launch.
But since you never have anything constructive to say, just "this sucks" and "you need to add this MAG feature to keep your game from sucking" I am wondering why you are even here, and why you bother to log into the beta at all
Dust is NOT MAG 2, it's not going to be MAG 2, come to grips with that or GTFO and go play MAG 2........
I couldn't careless if they made a MAG 2 or not. Now if they made a Good Socom game, this game would be irrelevant to me.
I've said plenty of constructive things, you just read what you want.
How are they not catering to me? I already come in first place the majority of the time, lead in kills and take out A and B every game, still its a boring game. That caters to players with no skill but have a bunch of time on their hands.
If this game isnt absolutely trash at release I'm sure I'll put in the time to dominate and laugh at all you sub par gaming fan boys.
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[Veteran_Buzzwords]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:02:00 -
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i would say the eve clowns have the advantage there though since it's their universe...
when zipper makes a mag spaceship spinoff we can get all high and mighty about it over on those beta forums i guess... |
[Veteran_Legendary Ecko]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:02:00 -
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My- Lag-Is-Legend wrote:Ironically you clowns want ccp to make another EVE. Sad you can't let Dust have its own identity within the EVE lore guess EVE FPS is all you really want. Which is funny to hear you call out PIGGY for wanting the game to be more like MAG.
Considering your username, anything you comment on will be disregarded. |
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[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:03:00 -
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My- Lag-Is-Legend wrote:Ironically you clowns want ccp to make another EVE. Sad you can't let Dust have its own identity within the EVE lore guess EVE FPS is all you really want. Which is funny to hear you call out PIGGY for wanting the game to be more like MAG.
I never once said I wanted it to be like mag. |
[Veteran_Kain Spero]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:03:00 -
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PDIGGY22 wrote:Drake Lyons wrote:Roccano1 wrote: CCP has already stated this will be playable on the PS4 when it arrives. Dont know how many times people have stated this.
Like I said...don't bother. This is a place without time, without reason, and without thought. nobody has yet to provide me a link.
Link given:
http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/03/23/dust-514-will-be-a-future-proof-ps4-game/ |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:07:00 -
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where does it say "dust will be on the ps4"? |
[Veteran_SILENTSAM 69]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:19:00 -
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No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. |
[Veteran_gangsta nachos]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:26:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. |
[Veteran_RolyatDerTeufel]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:28:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then.
you said, new game.
He said start spending them [SP] on something else. |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:35:00 -
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I just realized something here. After reading through thirteen ******* pages of utter selfish bull **** from some of the posters here, we have all been trolled beautifully. I can't believe my trolldar didn't go off when this thread was posted.
Of course, if these people are actually serious about wanting a respec, then... after reading these thirteen grueling pages of total eye bleeding pain... they shot themselves on the foot if they thought they would get enough support here considering the number of "no" players posting here. |
[Veteran_Baal Roo]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:38:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then.
This is pointless, you guys are just going to keep saying silly **** like this endlessly. You never START OVER, you just keep earning skills, MOST of which will be effective in many varying types of builds. mechanics skill, weapons, shields, armor, electronics, biotec, turrets, dropsuits, grenades, logistic skills, etc, etc. If you decide you want to start using a Forge Gun, you will still want to have your armor or your shields, your reduced CPUs, your turret skills, maybe your LAV skills, etc. You just have to level up your forge gun. I mean, this system is already WAAAY more lenient than just about any other MMO I've seen in regards to being able to pick and choose your skills as you go rather than being forced into a single CLASS skill tree, what more do you want? If you're an endgame Healer in WoW you don't just get to click a button and completely make a new character that start at 80 and has all endgame gear, you have to make an alt and start COMPLETELY OVER. In Dust, you just go ahead and learn the skills you want whenever you want, while keeping all of your old bonuses. This isn't an esports 10 maps, everyone uses 1 of 3 guns, you're effectively leveled in a week FPS, it's a long term grind MMO with FPS mechanics in place of point and cllick. What is so hard to understand about that?
Seriously, if after a dozen pages of clear, concise, well explained rebuttals showing exactly why respecs would go against the very basic foundation of how this game is set up haven't convinced you, you should likely just play something else... MMOs clearly aren't your thing. |
[Veteran_My- Lag-Is-Legend]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:41:00 -
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Scrap Dust and port EVE over to PS3
Worked for minecraft on Xbox but then again minecraft is more action packed.
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[Veteran_RolyatDerTeufel]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:43:00 -
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My- Lag-Is-Legend wrote:Scrap Dust and port EVE over to PS3
Worked for minecraft on Xbox but then again minecraft is more action packed.
hell yeah, PvP in Minecraft > PvP in EVE yo |
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[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:47:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. This is pointless, you guys are just going to keep saying silly **** like this endlessly. You never START OVER, you just keep earning skills, MOST of which will be effective in many varying types of builds. mechanics skill, weapons, shields, armor, electronics, biotec, turrets, dropsuits, grenades, logistic skills, etc, etc. If you decide you want to start using a Forge Gun, you will still want to have your armor or your shields, your reduced CPUs, your turret skills, maybe your LAV skills, etc. You just have to level up your forge gun. I mean, this system is already WAAAY more lenient than just about any other MMO I've seen in regards to being able to pick and choose your skills as you go rather than being forced into a single CLASS skill tree, what more do you want? If you're an endgame Healer in WoW you don't just get to click a button and completely make a new character that start at 80 and has all endgame gear, you have to make an alt and start COMPLETELY OVER. In Dust, you just go ahead and learn the skills you want whenever you want, while keeping all of your old bonuses. This isn't an esports 10 maps, everyone uses 1 of 3 guns, you're effectively leveled in a week FPS, it's a long term grind MMO with FPS mechanics in place of point and cllick. What is so hard to understand about that? Seriously, if after a dozen pages of clear, concise, well explained rebuttals showing exactly why respecs would go against the very basic foundation of how this game is set up haven't convinced you, you should likely just play something else... MMOs clearly aren't your thing.
You are preaching to a troll, dude. People like him will not listen. It's in their nature.
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[Veteran_My- Lag-Is-Legend]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:48:00 -
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We could make it mandatory to have everyone in dust matches line up like fleets in eve for battles. Would be the best way to play fps. We wouldn't want dust to be like any other shooters. |
[Veteran_Baal Roo]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:50:00 -
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Cantus wrote:Baal Roo wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. This is pointless, you guys are just going to keep saying silly **** like this endlessly. You never START OVER, you just keep earning skills, MOST of which will be effective in many varying types of builds. mechanics skill, weapons, shields, armor, electronics, biotec, turrets, dropsuits, grenades, logistic skills, etc, etc. If you decide you want to start using a Forge Gun, you will still want to have your armor or your shields, your reduced CPUs, your turret skills, maybe your LAV skills, etc. You just have to level up your forge gun. I mean, this system is already WAAAY more lenient than just about any other MMO I've seen in regards to being able to pick and choose your skills as you go rather than being forced into a single CLASS skill tree, what more do you want? If you're an endgame Healer in WoW you don't just get to click a button and completely make a new character that start at 80 and has all endgame gear, you have to make an alt and start COMPLETELY OVER. In Dust, you just go ahead and learn the skills you want whenever you want, while keeping all of your old bonuses. This isn't an esports 10 maps, everyone uses 1 of 3 guns, you're effectively leveled in a week FPS, it's a long term grind MMO with FPS mechanics in place of point and cllick. What is so hard to understand about that? Seriously, if after a dozen pages of clear, concise, well explained rebuttals showing exactly why respecs would go against the very basic foundation of how this game is set up haven't convinced you, you should likely just play something else... MMOs clearly aren't your thing. You are preaching to a troll, dude. People like him will not listen. It's in their nature.
Yeah, that much is obvious, but more people will be reading my reply than just the troll I'm responding to, and we can overshadow the troll posts with reason, logic, and simple explanations to the point that anyone on the fence about all this will read this thread and see how clearly ridiculous the respec argument is and how well reasoned and sensible our counter argument is. There needs to be a clear understanding that respec is ridiculous and completely against the very nature of the game, if only to make sure the influx of new beta players on their way understand what the long term goal of the game is and don't hop on the respec bandwagon without hearing the explanation of why it is an awful idea. |
[Veteran_Cantus]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 01:58:00 -
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@Baal Roo
True. I guess that explains why I felt compelled to post against these pro-respec trolls. People need to see why we call them trolls. |
[Veteran_SILENTSAM 69]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:07:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:No! Never ever add respecing. it would be terrible and go against the whole concept of spending time to train something. If you do not like how you spend your SP then tough luck and start spending them on something else.
This idea is bad. it is just plain bad. So when people change their minds about the path they have taken and don't want to start over they should just give up and move on to a new game then. What would be worse is if people could just flip and be specialized in one path and then change to a whole new one.
The cons out weigh the pros by a large measure. |
[Veteran_SILENTSAM 69]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 02:13:00 -
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*facepalm* Is the OP actually doubting that the game will be on PS4?
Wow we are dealing with a person who doesnt even research the game he is playing. |
[Veteran_System Ghost]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:06:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:*facepalm* Is the OP actually doubting that the game will be on PS4?
Wow we are dealing with a person who doesnt even research the game he is playing.
Has CCP ever really OFFICIALLY said they would be porting it for the PS4, and not just hints and pure speculation? Also a remake for the PS4 would be a large waste of time tbh. A simple port even if possible would still be using a old engine, and would require substantial resources with little boost if any to the quality of the game. At best they could tweak up the anti aliasing or even add in some higher complexity shadows, but all the major art assets like player models and equipment/world items will be the same. The only way to solve that would be through tesselation which is pretty much hit or miss, and needs to have things created for it in the first place.
Now let's assume they completely remake the game for the PS4..... congrats, you have just made a game with a life span of a year and a half~ 2 years, and now have created a shiner duplicate that still has the same core functionality. It would not be very economical for them to create a totally new version of the game based on a new engine.
TL;DR : If it did happen it would be a port, and because of that it would not look much better than the current dust and/or would cost them a lot of money. |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:25:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:*facepalm* Is the OP actually doubting that the game will be on PS4?
Wow we are dealing with a person who doesnt even research the game he is playing.
please show a dev quote |
[Veteran_Traynor Youngs]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:39:00 -
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The title of the article was "DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game"...
Kinda hard to miss.
Also, at fanfest at one of the roundtables, the executive producer of DUST, Brandon Laurino, talked about the tech that they had to spend a lot of time developing in order to be able to grow the game for 10 years after launch.
That means the ability to port the game to new platform, upgrades to better engines, etc.
CCP has done these things before with Eve, they have the technology and the processes to do it.
DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game |
[Veteran_PDIGGY22]
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Posted - 2012.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Traynor Youngs wrote:The title of the article was "DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game"... Kinda hard to miss. Also, at fanfest at one of the roundtables, the executive producer of DUST, Brandon Laurino, talked about the tech that they had to spend a lot of time developing in order to be able to grow the game for 10 years after launch. That means the ability to port the game to new platform, upgrades to better engines, etc. CCP has done these things before with Eve, they have the technology and the processes to do it. DUST 514 will be a future-proof PS4 game
there is no dev quotes there? |
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