The ability to quickly adapt your character would allow you to outclass and couter tactics and builds created by people who don't pay to respec.

Example: Corp A is HAV heavy and has trained up this way for a long time. Corp B gets wind of this and knows they will face them in an upcoming match. Corp B pays to respec their troops to be all anti HAV and stomps Corp A.

This is a simple and flawed example, but you can see that respecs would allow a death spiral in balancing to occur very quickly.

There is nothing quick about respecting you would be kicked from the game before you could Finnish I can barely restock my drop suit before getting kicked

None, though it's a bit of an irrelevant question. I'm not the one making personal recommendations for how the game should play out. I'm restating the developer's stated intentions. That being said, I assume your own development lead CV must make for mightily long reading.



Well, they've got EVE. So there's that...

And despite the beta status a bugs, there are lots of players here who seem to already be having an enjoyable experience. Again...maybe this isn't the game for you? It seems like you do not like a lot of the core concepts. It's okay - it's not the end of the world.



Repetitive? I'm sorry, but fighting across 7,000 planets, presumably more than 50,000 districts, maps ranging from 5km to over 25km and each with a unique setup of infrastructure and targets just doesn't sound like repetitive to me. Especially when I consider the myriad fittings available and the addition of meaningful vehicular combat. And I guess that's not considering the fact that we are accepting contracts and working for players in another game, protecting and destroying their assets in a totally player controlled way. And that the tie in isn't just fluff - we can kill them, and they can kill us.

So I'm just not seeing the repetition, especially when I consider the other FPS games I've played. Same teams, same 10 maps. Go go go...

Handicapped? That one I'm really not getting. How exactly are we handicapped?

No.
u have no set max player lvl skills will always be added as time goes on and stuff is added.
no need for a respec, take careful planning of what u want and u wont make mistakes

Oh, I get it...senseless posting, lack of logic, poor arguments...

Man, do I feel stupid. I don't usually take the troll bait...but man, you got me good.

Fight the good fight, brother.

The ability to quickly adapt your character would allow you to outclass and couter tactics and builds created by people who don't pay to respec.

Example: Corp A is HAV heavy and has trained up this way for a long time. Corp B gets wind of this and knows they will face them in an upcoming match. Corp B pays to respec their troops to be all anti HAV and stomps Corp A.

This is a simple and flawed example, but you can see that respecs would allow a death spiral in balancing to occur very quickly.

That bolded line made me lol pretty hard. There is no such thing as a way to quickly adapt currently in dust. The jist of adapting in dust right now is as follows: play for 100hrs, get enough sp to upgrade a character how you want, realize the character is not what you wanted to do, replay 100 hrs to get enough sp to change character to what you want it to be or delete and start over.


And the point you made is exactly why respec should be an option. One group may be vehicle heavy and another infantry heavy, why should i not be able to change my setup to better myself for a battle? In any war if a group of enemies is speced for heavy vehicle warfare would you still knowingly deploy with only an smg and flashbangs with no means to destroy heavy vehicles? No, in any other game you would change your player to give you chance at actually taking out the opponents.

It is all about prepping for battle, and if that means specing your character in a way that allows you to actually stand a chance against an enemy, whats the problem.

I saw a point made that if respecing was allowed, people would always respec to Overpowered kits and how it would be an issue, but it will be an issue either way. Fags will always be fags given the opportunity or not. Look at the dart glitch in bf3, and sver in mag. The weak will always flock to the OP setup because they aren't good enough to compete without it. Hell look at all the swarm launchers in dust, then try and tell me that the ability to respec will really negatively impact those numbers. They will be there and speced for the OP setup whether the opportunity to change your character is there or not.

Gangsta,

I'm talking before a match starts (days or months before it happens even) not during a match. There's going to be a lot of metagaming going on prior to a corp battle going down and playing a respec card would make high SP characters instantly able to outclass their opponents. The lack of respec is one of the things that make this game hardcore and in my opinion should remain.

BTW: Gangsta, thank you for actually having a discussion about this rather than trolling like some others here.

True but everyone would be on an even playing field since not only I could respec they could as well

the ability to respec would lead to some pretty annoying stuff think pokemon have you ever got in a battle where you and your opponent are stuck in an endless lupe of switching to pokemon with advantages, that's not fun.

If everyone was able to respec you would never know what your up against which would be a great advantage or disadvantage

CCP want to create a game that lasts for years to come.

In order for us, the players, to continue playing the game, the game cannot have an end, a level cap, a finish, a way to win.

Guys, just don't bother.

There are approximately 3-5 people who have expressed a desire for the ability to respect their characters instantly and repeatedly for essentially two reasons.

First, they feel that the game shouldn't take years to build a max character and that careful spending of SP shouldn't really mean anything in the long run. It should only be accrued, and them applied wherever you want it, whenever you want it. In other words, they want skills, but no meaningful progress. They don't want to be stuck in a specialized build, but also want to specialize. They want to have their cake, and eat it too.

Second, they think if people want to pay for it, they should be able to do anything they want.



Then there are at least two dozen people who have made a number of reasoned arguments against such an ability. The numbers are very clear. The problem is, this thread is like arguing with a bird or a fish. Logic, reason, history, nor conscious thought have any power here. There is no way any of the respec proponents are going to suddenly say "Oh, no. That makes sense. It would break the game, break the universe, and go entirely against the wishes of the developers. Yeah, I guess respecs would be bad."



And, ultimately, it doesn't matter. Because CCP would never do respecs like anyone here has mentioned, for all of the reasons that have been mentioned.

Peace. o/

CCP want to create a game that lasts for years to come.



Any questions?

THAT'S actually a fair point, developer intervention may be basis for a petition.

when CCP removed the learning skills from the game, players did get THOSE skillpoints back.



but that is so far from what is being suggested here that i don't think it's the same conversation.

no console game will last for years to come, and with ps4 not too far away neither will dust.

Hell, dust still runs like poop so it might not last another 2 weeks if this next build blows too

CCP has already stated this will be playable on the PS4 when it arrives.
Dont know how many times people have stated this.

CCP has already stated this will be playable on the PS4 when it arrives.
Dont know how many times people have stated this.
Also, were still in the beta, so if there are bugs, then so be it, we will find them, and squash them.

Like I said...don't bother. This is a place without time, without reason, and without thought.