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Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 622	Posted - 2015.10.12 20:33:00 - [1] - Quote MetaLock in publics... and be al last level 2 loyality (private soldier) to go into the Faction Warfare !!! easy and fast solution... No more PubStars and random berryes in the battles anymore.. -- Ecce Initio -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2015.10.12 20:50:00 - [2] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I rarely play pubs anymore because they're boring as hell. And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. What you really want is SP and skill based matchmaking. Not meta locking. Nobody ever complains about the dude who goes 0-11 in proto. Nobody. Gee, I wonder why they're boring as hell. I'm in favor of raising payouts because the people getting their d!cks kicked in can barely afford to run advanced. But I'm not in favor of everyone running proto all the time. It was supposed to be rare, something you'd only pull out in matches that mattered and officer even more so. It's not the full proto matches that are fun, it's the equally matched matches that are fun. You're right the proto ain't the problem but all those lvl 5 bonuses are less of an advantage on adv and less than they are on proto so locking it out helps alleviate the problem. The real problem is the bag of d!cks that is people like you. No, what I want is for Concord to attack anyone that spawns in proto/officer in pubs. That's not going to happen and we'll never get a proper matchmaker because people like you keep the player base from growing; so something else has got to be done Nobody ever complains about the militia/standard/advanced stompers either, nobody. Dust really needs a high sec.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I rarely play pubs anymore because they're boring as hell. And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. What you really want is SP and skill based matchmaking. Not meta locking. Nobody ever complains about the dude who goes 0-11 in proto. Nobody. Gee, I wonder why they're boring as hell. I'm in favor of raising payouts because the people getting their d!cks kicked in can barely afford to run advanced. But I'm not in favor of everyone running proto all the time. It was supposed to be rare, something you'd only pull out in matches that mattered and officer even more so. It's not the full proto matches that are fun, it's the equally matched matches that are fun. You're right the proto ain't the problem but all those lvl 5 bonuses are less of an advantage on adv and less than they are on proto so locking it out helps alleviate the problem. The real problem is the bag of d!cks that is people like you. No, what I want is for Concord to attack anyone that spawns in proto/officer in pubs. That's not going to happen and we'll never get a proper matchmaker because people like you keep the player base from growing; so something else has got to be done Nobody ever complains about the militia/standard/advanced stompers either, nobody. All I wanted to hear. I'm all on board with SP and Skill based matchmaking. There is a reason why I play mainly PC nowadays and don't play pubs. But every time I hear someone whine about proto suits, I see a person deluding themselves. Its not the suit, its the person and character behind it. You're getting up in arms about the wrong issue. And don't even try to play the "You're trying to ruin the community and stomp the new players". B*tch, I've written several fitting and tactics guides for new players. I've given countless threads and posts of feedback and advice. I've done more than just complain and whine endlessly, I've actually tried to identify and fix problems in whatever way I can. So don't try and pull this stupid villain card on me. Anyone who has actually played with me, talked with me, or even seen my countless forum posts have known me to be a few things; and that's hard, fair, and helpful. You might not like the way I word things or the views I hold, but I've always been this way. My posts and ideals are by far the things least likely to kill this game and drive away the players. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Immortal John Ripper 28	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote CCP! Please port our suffering over to ps4! Why would a divine being such as myself need to pause for something as trivial as breath? - Arkena W. AllHailNumber2
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:28:00 - [5] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: And don't even try to play the "You're trying to ruin the community and stomp the new players". B*tch, I've written several fitting and tactics guides for new players. I've given countless threads and posts of feedback and advice. I've done more than just complain and whine endlessly, I've actually tried to identify and fix problems in whatever way I can. So don't try and pull this stupid villain card on me. Anyone who has actually played with me, talked with me, or even seen my countless forum posts have known me to be a few things; and that's hard, fair, and helpful. You might not like the way I word things or the views I hold, but I've always been this way. My posts and ideals are by far the things least likely to kill this game and drive away the players. Yeah, great good those have done for new players. You can act like you care and really trying to help but your actions in game speak for themselves. I've seen what you and yours do and have done for years which is mercilessly stomp those that can't compete and sometimes go against against those that can but most of the time one side or the other stops trying or leaves if they didn't do it at the start of the match. People like you are why I've seen long time players finally get tired of the bs, leave and never return; the reason I'll play a few matches with countless new players before they get fet up and turn the game of never to be seen again. You might not be willing to admit it but you balls to the walls players are the reason Dust failed. Even with all that is wrong with Dust itself, you people are what drives players away. Dust really needs a high sec.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 216	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And don't even try to play the "You're trying to ruin the community and stomp the new players". B*tch, I've written several fitting and tactics guides for new players. I've given countless threads and posts of feedback and advice. I've done more than just complain and whine endlessly, I've actually tried to identify and fix problems in whatever way I can. So don't try and pull this stupid villain card on me. Anyone who has actually played with me, talked with me, or even seen my countless forum posts have known me to be a few things; and that's hard, fair, and helpful. You might not like the way I word things or the views I hold, but I've always been this way. My posts and ideals are by far the things least likely to kill this game and drive away the players. Yeah, great good those have done for new players. You can act like you care and really trying to help but your actions in game speak for themselves. I've seen what you and yours do and have done for years which is mercilessly stomp those that can't compete and sometimes go against against those that can but most of the time one side or the other stops trying or leaves if they didn't do it at the start of the match. People like you are why I've seen long time players finally get tired of the bs, leave and never return; the reason I'll play a few matches with countless new players before they get fet up and turn the game of never to be seen again. You might not be willing to admit it but you balls to the walls players are the reason Dust failed. Even with all that is wrong with Dust itself, you people are what drives players away. If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:51:00 - [7] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. This literally proves my point. Get mad at EIGHT of 32 in the match that were actually playing. It doesn't even look like there was a full squad on the one team. This does nothing but show how pathetic this playerbase is. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2015.10.12 21:52:00 - [8] - Quote Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. Dust really needs a high sec.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:03:00 - [9] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:07:00 - [10] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Press Attache wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Working as intended. Noobs are supposed to go negative, get their teeth kicked in, and made to not want to play. It's part of DUSTs comprehensive player retention strategy. Didn't you get the memo? Show us on the doll where the big mean squad touched you. They touched me right there Mr. Attorney General SOBS It's not fair! I'm totally in the same league as them, they're not better than me at all! Its the suits I tell you, THE SUITS. I can't compete with suits that have the same number of slots, bonuses when leveled, coupled with my core skills that apply no matter what suit I run! They're ruining the game! Lets just remove those suits from normal matches! They're obviously the sole factor in why these guys are getting stomped! I know you are speaking sarcastically but you are right. Yesterday I did a test where I created a secondary account and a new toon. Basically its not so much the proto suits but the skill point investmen as well as the higher cpu and pg. New players can't compete because they dont have level 5 in x skill or dont know how to skill or skilled into the wrong thing. There is no guiding hand for them or a safe place for them to train. Instant battle academy doesn't work. OK, all of this is true, but it's been said before. How do we get CCP to do something about it, or are they so completely enthralled by CPM as to think everything is fine? Or do they simply not care? Either way, I want something done about it and nothing is happening. If CCP wanted to do something about it they would have by now. Which means either we just have to get used to it or leave.

Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:25:00 - [11] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Avallo Kantor wrote: I think the real problem is when people are going absurdly high. I had one game where the top scores on one team were: 46/0 16/0 29/4 and the bottom 3 scores on the losing team were: 3/7 0/12 0/12 Now regardless of what ever factors caused this, there should be no way these players should be even remotely fighting each other, or even fighting people that could fight the other group. There is such a large skill / gear / whatever gap here that it's terrible players like this are in the same match. Ideally in a "balanced" match players should never be going more than 10 KDR as anything beyond that indicates an -extreme- mismatch in skill levels. To be honest, it's not really skill or such, it's the ganking. I went 44/9 yesterday in a minmando because I was squadded up with my mates, and we traveled in a pack. If squadding and traveling in groups was encouraged, many players would feel less "stomped" Some players simply can't squad for one reason or another. It should not be necessary to squad to get a game. Where's the solo mode?
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:26:00 - [12] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Hey, you can run proto all you want man, just do it in FW and PC where it was meant to be done. Make pubs high sec so this game has room to breath and grow. Why? There are so few new players even trying the game so what's the point? You'd quite literally be wasting development resources and pathetic checks that do not actually help "new" players because we don't have any "new" players at all. Without a true new player audience, which the game will never have on the PS3 again, it's just a waste. The issues seen in pub matches plague every single FPS game. If you give a blueberry a proto suit they'll **** the bed all the same. People are just bad. There, I've said it. People are bad at first person shooters. The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them! 12/13/14 Never forget
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:27:00 - [13] - Quote Aidualc wrote: MetaLock in publics... and be al last level 2 loyality (private soldier) to go into the Faction Warfare !!! easy and fast solution... No more PubStars and random berryes in the battles anymore.. Metalock won't do it. It needs to be skill lock. Elites can and do run militia fits in pubs and still stomp.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:32:00 - [14] - Quote I was thinking of posting screenshots of matches just like this to showcase how it's more about droves of players not doing anything in matches. Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new? Seriously, port it. Hurry
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:36:00 - [15] - Quote Press Attache wrote: If you won't run in a squad, why play modes with everyone piled on to one point? Solo bro can do more in skirmish, the proto squad can't be at every flag. I joined at the end of the match and shot up to 3rd place; I can handle myself. The focus is on NPE.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:37:00 - [16] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Hey, you can run proto all you want man, just do it in FW and PC where it was meant to be done. Make pubs high sec so this game has room to breath and grow. Why? There are so few new players even trying the game so what's the point? You'd quite literally be wasting development resources and pathetic checks that do not actually help "new" players because we don't have any "new" players at all. Without a true new player audience, which the game will never have on the PS3 again, it's just a waste. The issues seen in pub matches plague every single FPS game. If you give a blueberry a proto suit they'll **** the bed all the same. People are just bad. There, I've said it. People are bad at first person shooters. What???!! No new players?? What am I, a mushroom? I'm one of the supposedly nonexistent new players, and I can absolutely vouch that many times it's crossed my mind that I'm wasting my time trying to get anywhere with this game. I'm sure there are plenty like me that decide to leave rather than stick it out like me, to see if it eventually gets any better. Yes, I'm sick of being stomped and I'm always making choices about whether to stay in a match or leave when I get stomped, including playing FW where I EXPECT to be stomped. But for the moment, I can actually see a way forward to a time when maybe I won't. I'm pretty tenacious. The problem is, most noobs would have given up long ago, and it's the noobs that try Dust and leave because it's too ridiculously hard that is the real issue.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:40:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I was thinking of posting screenshots of matches just like this to showcase how it's more about droves of players not doing anything in matches. Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new? Yes, I agree that the droves of players just sitting on hills (snipers, presumably) and loafing around in the background behind the redline, just waiting out the match, are a problem. I used to snipe, but it was boring. Now I change into a sniper fit pretty much just to countersnipe, or if my team is redlined, and I can see no other way to be useful. It's always amazing to me, though to see how many are just loafing around.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:40:00 - [18] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. Got stomped by EB and Turd Rock lol. I also spy a Romulus Hex on that team as well I think. EDIT: Proto isn't the real problem here. Teamwork, matchmaking, and overall co-ordination are to blame. I didn't get stomped; I joined at the end of the match. And it wasn't Romulus Hex, it was Jera13 (or something like that). I caught him camping and taking out newberries from a distance so I killed him.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:43:00 - [19] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Press Attache wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Working as intended. Noobs are supposed to go negative, get their teeth kicked in, and made to not want to play. It's part of DUSTs comprehensive player retention strategy. Didn't you get the memo? Show us on the doll where the big mean squad touched you. They touched me right there Mr. Attorney General SOBS It's not fair! I'm totally in the same league as them, they're not better than me at all! Its the suits I tell you, THE SUITS. I can't compete with suits that have the same number of slots, bonuses when leveled, coupled with my core skills that apply no matter what suit I run! They're ruining the game! Lets just remove those suits from normal matches! They're obviously the sole factor in why these guys are getting stomped! I know you are speaking sarcastically but you are right. Yesterday I did a test where I created a secondary account and a new toon. Basically its not so much the proto suits but the skill point investmen as well as the higher cpu and pg. New players can't compete because they dont have level 5 in x skill or dont know how to skill or skilled into the wrong thing. There is no guiding hand for them or a safe place for them to train. Instant battle academy doesn't work. And those newberries will never get their Core Skills to Level5 if Proto Squads keep driving them away from this game. Also, I want to add that your experience with the game provides you an advantage over newberries so your experience with a fresh alt does not equate to NPE.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:45:00 - [20] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: Some players simply can't squad for one reason or another. It should not be necessary to squad to get a game. Where's the solo mode? The solo mode is right out the door. If you actually want to play this game by yourself I would like to ask why? Matchmaking in every game is horrible. You can never know, without inventing a time machine how a player will do in a specific match. The skill gap, which cannot be balanced in a 16v16 team environment without making que times absurdly long, is far too wide and it has nothing to do with suits. Skills, sure but not individual suits but even then actual skill will always win. In a no squad, 16v16 match, you will still have the issues that we have now. There will still be better players then you ready to kick your ** in the dirt until you come back to the forums crying "Hurrr durr nerf da photon suits"** because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU. I know, it's hard to imagine that someone is better than you and didn't win a gunfight because of their proto crutch. The only difference from DUST to other FPS games is that bad players have the excuse "But they're running proto" which in the end is nothing but an excuse. Just like your "Some players simply can't squad for one reason or another." The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them! 12/13/14 Never forget

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:45:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:51:00 - [22] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: What???!! No new players?? What am I, a mushroom? I'm one of the supposedly nonexistent new players, and I can absolutely vouch that many times it's crossed my mind that I'm wasting my time trying to get anywhere with this game. I'm sure there are plenty like me that decide to leave rather than stick it out like me, to see if it eventually gets any better. Yes, I'm sick of being stomped and I'm always making choices about whether to stay in a match or leave when I get stomped, including playing FW where I EXPECT to be stomped. But for the moment, I can actually see a way forward to a time when maybe I won't. I'm pretty tenacious. The problem is, most noobs would have given up long ago, and it's the noobs that try Dust and leave because it's too ridiculously hard that is the real issue. If you are, as you say a new player then you are a very small minority in the game. If you're constantly making it out of the redline and to objectives regardless of how much you get done when you get there then you're doing better than the majority of the playerbase. The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them! 12/13/14 Never forget
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 22:57:00 - [23] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. This literally proves my point. Get mad at EIGHT of 32 in the match that were actually playing. It doesn't even look like there was a full squad on the one team. This does nothing but show how pathetic this playerbase is. You think I am mad at those who didn't go negative in their KDR? That's what you are taking away from this? Someone needs to make a facepalm emoji.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:01:00 - [24] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. The only ones who get scared are vets who quit matches when they see they are facing a challenge. Newberries simply say "**** it" and move on to a new game.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:04:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I was thinking of posting screenshots of matches just like this to showcase how it's more about droves of players not doing anything in matches. Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new? I have been playing a lot of matches recently where 75% of the players on my team are part of one of those generic corps that people are assigned to when they first start.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:09:00 - [26] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: Some players simply can't squad for one reason or another. It should not be necessary to squad to get a game. Where's the solo mode? The solo mode is right out the door. If you actually want to play this game by yourself I would like to ask why? Matchmaking in every game is horrible. You can never know, without inventing a time machine how a player will do in a specific match. The skill gap, which cannot be balanced in a 16v16 team environment without making que times absurdly long, is far too wide and it has nothing to do with suits. Skills, sure but not individual suits but even then actual skill will always win. In a no squad, 16v16 match, you will still have the issues that we have now. There will still be better players then you ready to kick your ** in the dirt until you come back to the forums crying "Hurrr durr nerf da photon suits"** because THEY'RE BETTER THAN YOU. I know, it's hard to imagine that someone is better than you and didn't win a gunfight because of their proto crutch. The only difference from DUST to other FPS games is that bad players have the excuse "But they're running proto" which in the end is nothing but an excuse. Just like your "Some players simply can't squad for one reason or another." Ridiculous. I'm not saying that there aren't players better than me or that I shouldn't have to deal with them. I'm saying that it's the death of the game that new players have to deal with them, and choose not to.
Alena Asakura Caldari Logistics Reserve 62	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:15:00 - [27] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: What???!! No new players?? What am I, a mushroom? I'm one of the supposedly nonexistent new players, and I can absolutely vouch that many times it's crossed my mind that I'm wasting my time trying to get anywhere with this game. I'm sure there are plenty like me that decide to leave rather than stick it out like me, to see if it eventually gets any better. Yes, I'm sick of being stomped and I'm always making choices about whether to stay in a match or leave when I get stomped, including playing FW where I EXPECT to be stomped. But for the moment, I can actually see a way forward to a time when maybe I won't. I'm pretty tenacious. The problem is, most noobs would have given up long ago, and it's the noobs that try Dust and leave because it's too ridiculously hard that is the real issue. If you are, as you say a new player then you are a very small minority in the game. If you're constantly making it out of the redline and to objectives regardless of how much you get done when you get there then you're doing better than the majority of the playerbase. If I'm constantly making it out of the redline and to objectives? Where did I say that? No, I'm not. I'm a noob, and usually when my team is redlined, I find myself having to change to a cloaky scout or a sniper to do anything at all to benefit my team. Other than the fact that I'm resourceful enough to think laterally, I'd say I'm pretty typical of most noobs. And I'm sure most of them wouldn't stick it out for the long run.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:20:00 - [28] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Alena Asakura wrote: What???!! No new players?? What am I, a mushroom? I'm one of the supposedly nonexistent new players, and I can absolutely vouch that many times it's crossed my mind that I'm wasting my time trying to get anywhere with this game. I'm sure there are plenty like me that decide to leave rather than stick it out like me, to see if it eventually gets any better. Yes, I'm sick of being stomped and I'm always making choices about whether to stay in a match or leave when I get stomped, including playing FW where I EXPECT to be stomped. But for the moment, I can actually see a way forward to a time when maybe I won't. I'm pretty tenacious. The problem is, most noobs would have given up long ago, and it's the noobs that try Dust and leave because it's too ridiculously hard that is the real issue. If you are, as you say a new player then you are a very small minority in the game. If you're constantly making it out of the redline and to objectives regardless of how much you get done when you get there then you're doing better than the majority of the playerbase. And he will quickly get better than the majority of the playerbase if he keeps the right attitude. I had a few clan mates from BF3 join me here. Most quit because they wanted the easy life, and they went to go and q-sync into BF4 with their own server kicking anyone who gave a fight. The best players shine in adversity with their tenacity. If you keep trying to play hard and improve, it WILL happen. EDIT: I'd offer to squad with you, but I sadly do not have my PS3 at the moment Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:25:00 - [29] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. Got stomped by EB and Turd Rock lol. I also spy a Romulus Hex on that team as well I think. EDIT: Proto isn't the real problem here. Teamwork, matchmaking, and overall co-ordination are to blame. I didn't get stomped; I joined at the end of the match. And it wasn't Romulus Hex, it was Jera13 (or something like that). I caught him camping and taking out newberries from a distance so I killed him. You personally might have done well, but the team failed. I know you can't do much in that scenario, but this game would be far better off if people PTFO'd rather than worried about how well they personally did. Please note again that I said that there wasn't much you could do in that scenario. Still, The goal is to win. Not to look good losing. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Grimmiers 889	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:33:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Four Horseman Tactical Agency 2	Posted - 2015.10.12 23:35:00 - [31] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. Now your trying to make light of the issue , shooters that have balancing issues such as matchmaking , that same is where that community comes together and talks about said issue with their propositions to said developers to said game and that community along with said developers come to a middle ground and hash out said issues to where the problems are resolved for the most part , now please act like Dust is the one and only game where you've seen this on display but what I can admit to is Dust 514 is the only game that I've played regardless of shooter or sports related game , where the communities so called " top tier " players fight tooth and nail against the " lesser " players about issues that they know dam well are killing the potential of the game and also where that same development team says ZERO about said issues that THEY KNOW is extremely harmful to THEIR product , like they themselves could care less or that they just want this game to just die a slow death while they sell aurum until the numbers are close to none and the lights get cut off . Every game that I've played has this same problem , matchmaking or lack there of but the difference is that they address it in an consolidated effort , shooters and sports alike and please keep acting like this is a rare instance because YouTube has plenty that speak about such matters in and about different games . I don't know too many that like to waste their time in whatever their doing so this is no different and many games starting out have these discussions , I've even seen people talking about this when talking about SWBF and that game isn't even out yet beyond the beta , this game is three years old and it still has this basic but yet core issue , so while you can place the blame on the community , some of it can also be placed on CCP because their the ones that program what happens and what's going on and these discussions have been had many times before what's been going on lately , the difference is ... it's too late in the game to keep sweeping it under the rug and in the same instance try to promote weapons , role and vehicle mechanical changes while claiming it to be " for the better of the game " , well what about matchmaking .?. that should have been the top priority because for the most part , that's the factor that helps in the decision someone that's new will make , if they will stay and invest or leave and find something more suited to their liking . How would they even understand what their dealing with ( truly like or dislike ) if it's hard for them to even get through the front door ? Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 00:52:00 - [32] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Then how and why are so many people on both of the teams in the OP's example NOT killing or dying? I've been playing for over 3 years. I've been watching the game devolve into these borefests of VETERANS who choose not to fight in this FPS. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 00:54:00 - [33] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:03:00 - [34] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Grimmiers wrote: Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:04:00 - [35] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Then how and why are so many people on both of the teams in the OP's example NOT killing or dying? I've been playing for over 3 years. I've been watching the game devolve into these borefests of VETERANS who choose not to fight in this FPS. Some of those people would have joined in at the end of the match like I did.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:09:00 - [36] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 216	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:18:00 - [37] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It is absolutely not the players fault for playing hard from start to finish. CCP made a game that in your eyes cannot stand up to high level play. That's isn't true, you just need a scapegoat and proto stompers are it, but don't blame the players. You absolutely can and should blame CCP for people not being able to play their game without self policing and being considerate of the losers feelings to not "destroy" the game. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:19:00 - [38] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I see just one proto squad and a few proto Lone Wolves. So the problem is that the Lone Wolves were on the same team as the proto squad. lone wolves do get qued with the proto squads if thier mu is average ish it seems high level mercs do not however guaranteed my main woulda be put on the losing side of that match if i qued alone pc master race PORT IT CCP
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 216	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:23:00 - [39] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:26:00 - [40] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Press Attache wrote: If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP. I don't agree, but see where it gets you. People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It is absolutely not the players fault for playing hard from start to finish. CCP made a game that in your eyes cannot stand up to high level play. That's isn't true, you just need a scapegoat and proto stompers are it, but don't blame the players. You absolutely can and should blame CCP for people not being able to play their game without self policing and being considerate of the losers feelings to not "destroy" the game. I'll always agree with the point that it's not the players fault for running the best gear they can and playing as hard as they can against vets and new players alike. The way Dust is set up with it's wildly varying stat modifiers from tiers and SP would be perfectly fine if the matchmaker had the playerbase it needed. But it doesn't, so here we are. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.

Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:32:00 - [41] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Just so you remember, I am actively pushing to have Proto/Officer Gear and squads removed from Public Contracts.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:37:00 - [42] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:37:00 - [43] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Do it. Give me tiericide so that the SP barrier is lower for entry. I expect to see all of you wearing them loud and proud. Full proto suit matches are fun because you have something to fight for. People get freaking TENACIOUS when they wear it (Except for a few I meet who run at the slightest chance of trouble). I told you the reason why I played PC. People had something to fight for larger than themselves. THAT is what made the matches fun. There is something amazing at watching people burn through suits that only give you a slight advantage, all because they want that advantage to beat you into the ground, no matter the cost. Most of that magic is gone now, hence why I moved on to other games. Unreal Tourament is hella fun right now. But I always check back here because I love this game and want to see it move on. I wanna see this on PC SO BAD. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:38:00 - [44] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. The data is too narrow for any conclusive answer. One match is not enough. Also, bear in mind that winners using proto/officer is both cause and symptom. Because they are stronger, and because players tend to bring in good gear when they feel very strong. "Today I have been feeling mostly smug." KERO-TRADER is my official Eve character for Dust trading.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:41:00 - [45] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Grimmiers wrote: Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that. Yes, but only if you'll shut up after we find out that most of those pathetic scores are players that have been around a long time. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:46:00 - [46] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently. So if they are in ADV all those people posting 0-2, 0-0, 1-3, etc would see that in the kill feed and their heads would all of a sudden pop out of their ass and they'd start participating? Seriously, port it. Hurry
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:50:00 - [47] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently. Truth be told, we need to give new players more SP to start with. They need about 5 mil to start, with some increased SP gain until a certain threshold. I can make a good budget Cal Assault fit for around 13mil SP, costs you 43k ISK, and packs just shy of 800 HP with decent regen. Protofits didn't update for the extra low slot, but you have enough room for an adv ferro on there. This suit is literally only JUST behind proto fit with a far lesser SP investment and is about 1/3 the cost. Proto only gives a small benefit for a giant premium. If you can't do well with this suit, no way in hell will you do well in a proto suit. Personally, I would love to give new guys 5mil SP to play with and a respec at 15 mil SP for free. Accelerated SP should let them get to that point in a month, two tops. After that, normal SP gain. The cores are really the issue here. You need to have them at around 3 or 4 to make most fits work. Thankfully, you can get 80% of the benefit from a skill in about 50% of the time, and all SP past 25 mil is irrelevant. At 25 mil you should have all your cores maxed and a suit fully proto'd out. Everything past just adds to your versatility. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:53:00 - [48] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Do it. Give me tiericide so that the SP barrier is lower for entry. I expect to see all of you wearing them loud and proud. Full proto suit matches are fun because you have something to fight for. People get freaking TENACIOUS when they wear it (Except for a few I meet who run at the slightest chance of trouble). I told you the reason why I played PC. People had something to fight for larger than themselves. THAT is what made the matches fun. There is something amazing at watching people burn through suits that only give you a slight advantage, all because they want that advantage to beat you into the ground, no matter the cost. Most of that magic is gone now, hence why I moved on to other games. Unreal Tourament is hella fun right now. But I always check back here because I love this game and want to see it move on. I wanna see this on PC SO BAD. I agree with you when you say when people have something to fight for, matches are fun as hell. However, is it full proto matches that are fun as hell or PC matches that are fun as hell? I can see how people have something larger to fight for in PC matches. But in full proto matches people only have the expense of their suit to fight for, and you're also suggesting to make them less expensive (via higher payouts). Wouldn't that make proto suits less of a thing to fight for, and in turn reduce the tenaciousness of those wearing them? EDIT: Just saw your other post I can make a good budget Cal Assault fit for around 13mil SP, costs you 43k ISK, and packs just shy of 800 HP with decent regen. It's a great ADV fit, that's for sure. But at 43k isk I imagine a new player could only lose two of these before going ISK negative. Factor in the new player having to buy skillbooks on top of replacing lost suits and I don't think it's feasible. Also, your 800HP with decent regen figure is at all Vs. While 3m SP doesn't sound like much to you, it's a month straight of capping out and perfectly allocating your SP. Being realistic and saying the new player probably won't do either it's going to be a lot longer than a month. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 01:58:00 - [49] - Quote OP, if you post the names from that match AND post their born on date from Dustboard I'll send you 25 million ISK. Also please post an actual screenshot of the match so we can verify. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.10.13 02:06:00 - [50] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Then how and why are so many people on both of the teams in the OP's example NOT killing or dying? I've been playing for over 3 years. I've been watching the game devolve into these borefests of VETERANS who choose not to fight in this FPS. Guess what? You aren't the only person who has been here since 2012, I started playing in July of 2012 and regardless of that I still don't see how reducing an argument to base terms and ignoring all nuances involved helps anything. Plenty of veterans choose not to play certain matches for untold numbers of reasons that have been expressed time and time again over the years. Most simply left rather than put up with it, but for those who remain that leave matches they by and large want matches where they aren't placed into lopsided matches and pushed up against players that are going to spam officer gear or run broken fittings. Or, given there's a difference of opinion, fits they deem broken and not fun to fight against. Also things that are breaking the standard gameplay they grew to love in Dust makes them unwilling to deal with some matches; things like the RE grenades, rooftop camping and the new fad of suits that CQC with mass drivers and PLCs by jumping above the blast radius as they fire, are making certain matches just not worth the effort and frustration to play them. This all leads to them trying out what they are dealing with in a match and either quitting to get to the next game, saying ** it and afking to get their end of match rewards or doing stupid crap all match for fun just to have something to do. As for your assumptions about new player numbers, they are just that. Assumptions. If you have some hard numbers backing your remarks then you can actually make a proper point, but so far all you've done is make statements based on how you think things are according to your narrow experience with the game and not based on any solid data. There are much more productive means of spending your time than wasting everyone else's with remarks like: Thor Odinson42 wrote:** Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new? If you want all the reasons why people do this, go read all of the 'people leaving matches' threads. Or you could keep doing what you're doing now and try to convince people of your views without any backing data. The only reason I'm sill up right now (5am) is because my back hurts too bad to sleep and don't have the focus to write more about this right now. I'm done with this. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.

Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 02:27:00 - [51] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Then how and why are so many people on both of the teams in the OP's example NOT killing or dying? I've been playing for over 3 years. I've been watching the game devolve into these borefests of VETERANS who choose not to fight in this FPS. Guess what? You aren't the only person who has been here since 2012, I started playing in July of 2012 and regardless of that I still don't see how reducing an argument to base terms and ignoring all nuances involved helps anything. Plenty of veterans choose not to play certain matches for untold numbers of reasons that have been expressed time and time again over the years. Most simply left rather than put up with it, but for those who remain that leave matches they by and large want matches where they aren't placed into lopsided matches and pushed up against players that are going to spam officer gear or run broken fittings. Or, given there's a difference of opinion, fits they deem broken and not fun to fight against. Also things that are breaking the standard gameplay they grew to love in Dust makes them unwilling to deal with some matches; things like the RE grenades, rooftop camping and the new fad of suits that CQC with mass drivers and PLCs by jumping above the blast radius as they fire, are making certain matches just not worth the effort and frustration to play them. This all leads to them trying out what they are dealing with in a match and either quitting to get to the next game, saying ** it and afking to get their end of match rewards or doing stupid crap all match for fun just to have something to do. As for your assumptions about new player numbers, they are just that. Assumptions. If you have some hard numbers backing your remarks then you can actually make a proper point, but so far all you've done is make statements based on how you think things are according to your narrow experience with the game and not based on any solid data. There are much more productive means of spending your time than wasting everyone else's with remarks like: Thor Odinson42 wrote:** Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new? If you want all the reasons why people do this, go read all of the 'people leaving matches' threads. Or you could keep doing what you're doing now and try to convince people of your views without any backing data. The only reason I'm sill up right now (5am) is because my back hurts too bad to sleep and don't have the focus to write more about this right now. I'm done with this. I'm asking for data. I just offered the OP ISK so we can dig into his example. I shouldn't have to convince anybody that droves of players are doing nothing in matches. It happens in every single match. The only point of contention appears to be whether these players are new or not. My only point, is that gear isn't the problem. Participation is the problem. Stomping squads are magnified right now because there are so few making impacts in matches in my opinion. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 02:32:00 - [52] - Quote So, OP are you going to take up my offer or not? Just post the screenshot and I'll give you 10 mil and I'll do Dustboard myself. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 216	Posted - 2015.10.13 02:34:00 - [53] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: [quote=Ghost Kaisar] And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. Full proto matches are fun as hell. I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme. I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto. That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently.] 3 weeks of unboosted SP(no passive SP counted). But in truth, you need a lot less than that to be competitive. Adv suit and gun with proto modules would put you over the gear hump in90% of gunfights. It wouldn't matter a lick of difference engaging a squad, but you wouldn't be helpless Starter fits vs advanced ends the same a s starter fits versus proto. You do not need 8 or 9 million to not be cannon fodder. Even at 5 you should be fine, at least from a gear perspective. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 03:00:00 - [54] - Quote OK, as I said... willing to concede I'm wrong. Isn't the SP cap at 750K/week? That'll get you into a suit, but we're talking about the gear, not just the suit. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 216	Posted - 2015.10.13 03:31:00 - [55] - Quote Shaun Iwairo wrote: OK, as I said... willing to concede I'm wrong. Isn't the SP cap at 750K/week? That'll get you into a suit, but we're talking about the gear, not just the suit. I know, and the grind is a mother. More starting skills, enough to use every standard module, drop suit cores at 3, and light weapons operation 4 with a starting unallocated of 750 would be rough starting point. Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 62	Posted - 2015.10.13 03:44:00 - [56] - Quote Heh I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that after 3 weeks a new player could be in a proto loadout. Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.13 04:01:00 - [57] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. I can take a guess as to which team was squadded vs the team filled with randoms. Squads are the problem...not proto gear. I'll admit that proto gear vs mlt gear will be a problem for all of those starter fit users. But one man by himself won't decide who wins or loses. But proto gear coupled with squads?...randoms are just food. "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
ROMULUS H3X research lab 801	Posted - 2015.10.13 04:39:00 - [58] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Research lab is still around? Where would we go? Yes, of course we are here. There is always more research to be done, right? Mostly with The Darkhunter Society ( as you can see from the POSTED Teams) FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.13 04:45:00 - [59] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Shaun Iwairo wrote: OK, as I said... willing to concede I'm wrong. Isn't the SP cap at 750K/week? That'll get you into a suit, but we're talking about the gear, not just the suit. I know, and the grind is a mother. More starting skills, enough to use every standard module, drop suit cores at 3, and light weapons operation 4 with a starting unallocated of 750 would be rough starting point. I like that better than my 5 mil flat idea. Fool proof so people always have some decent core skills Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Ateroith KILL-EM-QUICK Rise Of Legion. 235	Posted - 2015.10.13 05:00:00 - [60] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. It looks like CCP doesn't want to do anything about Proto in pubs, because they haven't said anything or mentioned a move. So it is our responsibility to hand their ***** to them. Squad with me and I'll keep you alive for revenge. "...Rule #2 - Never start a fight. Rule #3 - Never lose one either." - Lee Child

Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 06:29:00 - [61] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Grimmiers wrote: Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that. Yes, but only if you'll shut up after we find out that most of those pathetic scores are players that have been around a long time. OK. I will start taking down the results of more matches and you will see what is happening to newberries.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 06:35:00 - [62] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Grimmiers wrote: Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight. I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear. Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears. But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that. Yes, but only if you'll shut up after we find out that most of those pathetic scores are players that have been around a long time. OK. I will start taking down the results of more matches and you will see what is happening to newberries. No, I don't want you to guess if they are new or not. Post screen shots or type their names next to their scores. I'm offering to pay you for the trouble. Seriously, port it. Hurry
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 06:36:00 - [63] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: OP, if you post the names from that match AND post their born on date from Dustboard I'll send you 25 million ISK. Also please post an actual screenshot of the match so we can verify. You want names from the match scores I originally posted? I don't see that happening. That match is done and over with. You can submit a ticket and see if CCP might have record of that match. As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums? Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game?
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.13 06:47:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: No, I don't want you to guess if they are new or not. Post screen shots or type their names next to their scores. I'm offering to pay you for the trouble. So I have stuff going on with work and stuff right now so I am not keeping up with this thread as fast as you are responding to it. ****After posting this I realized I was at the end of the thread.
Shaun Iwairo Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 65	Posted - 2015.10.13 08:35:00 - [65] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums? Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game? imgur is a good image hosting site. Player age can be found from http://dustboard.com/global/ Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
Thor Odinson42 Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 12:44:00 - [66] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: OP, if you post the names from that match AND post their born on date from Dustboard I'll send you 25 million ISK. Also please post an actual screenshot of the match so we can verify. You want names from the match scores I originally posted? I don't see that happening. That match is done and over with. You can submit a ticket and see if CCP might have record of that match. As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums? Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game? www.dustboard.com Seriously, port it. Hurry
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.10.13 12:55:00 - [67] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Summa Militum wrote: I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended. These are the scores at the EOM screen: My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3 Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0 Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear. Got stomped by EB and Turd Rock lol. I also spy a Romulus Hex on that team as well I think. EDIT: Proto isn't the real problem here. Teamwork, matchmaking, and overall co-ordination are to blame. Will you stop it? You're ruining their scapegoat. How can they blame all their problems on it if people like you keep pointing out that it isn't valid? That's just cruel. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
D4GG3R S.K.I.L.L OF G.O.D 2	Posted - 2015.10.13 14:21:00 - [68] - Quote So the opposing team killed themselves 10 times ?:) "Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix I watch anime for the boobs


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The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them!

The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them!

The enemies of God stand broken before us. The light of the Reclaiming shines over them!