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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.12 21:05:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
I rarely play pubs anymore because they're boring as hell.
And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
What you really want is SP and skill based matchmaking. Not meta locking.
Nobody ever complains about the dude who goes 0-11 in proto. Nobody.
Gee, I wonder why they're boring as hell. I'm in favor of raising payouts because the people getting their d!cks kicked in can barely afford to run advanced. But I'm not in favor of everyone running proto all the time. It was supposed to be rare, something you'd only pull out in matches that mattered and officer even more so. It's not the full proto matches that are fun, it's the equally matched matches that are fun. You're right the proto ain't the problem but all those lvl 5 bonuses are less of an advantage on adv and less than they are on proto so locking it out helps alleviate the problem. The real problem is the bag of d!cks that is people like you. No, what I want is for Concord to attack anyone that spawns in proto/officer in pubs. That's not going to happen and we'll never get a proper matchmaker because people like you keep the player base from growing; so something else has got to be done Nobody ever complains about the militia/standard/advanced stompers either, nobody.
All I wanted to hear.
I'm all on board with SP and Skill based matchmaking. There is a reason why I play mainly PC nowadays and don't play pubs.
But every time I hear someone whine about proto suits, I see a person deluding themselves.
Its not the suit, its the person and character behind it.
You're getting up in arms about the wrong issue.
And don't even try to play the "You're trying to ruin the community and stomp the new players".
B*tch, I've written several fitting and tactics guides for new players. I've given countless threads and posts of feedback and advice. I've done more than just complain and whine endlessly, I've actually tried to identify and fix problems in whatever way I can.
So don't try and pull this stupid villain card on me. Anyone who has actually played with me, talked with me, or even seen my countless forum posts have known me to be a few things; and that's hard, fair, and helpful. You might not like the way I word things or the views I hold, but I've always been this way. My posts and ideals are by far the things least likely to kill this game and drive away the players.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.12 23:20:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: What???!! No new players?? What am I, a mushroom? I'm one of the supposedly nonexistent new players, and I can absolutely vouch that many times it's crossed my mind that I'm wasting my time trying to get anywhere with this game. I'm sure there are plenty like me that decide to leave rather than stick it out like me, to see if it eventually gets any better. Yes, I'm sick of being stomped and I'm always making choices about whether to stay in a match or leave when I get stomped, including playing FW where I EXPECT to be stomped. But for the moment, I can actually see a way forward to a time when maybe I won't. I'm pretty tenacious. The problem is, most noobs would have given up long ago, and it's the noobs that try Dust and leave because it's too ridiculously hard that is the real issue.
If you are, as you say a new player then you are a very small minority in the game. If you're constantly making it out of the redline and to objectives regardless of how much you get done when you get there then you're doing better than the majority of the playerbase.
And he will quickly get better than the majority of the playerbase if he keeps the right attitude.
I had a few clan mates from BF3 join me here. Most quit because they wanted the easy life, and they went to go and q-sync into BF4 with their own server kicking anyone who gave a fight.
The best players shine in adversity with their tenacity. If you keep trying to play hard and improve, it WILL happen.
EDIT: I'd offer to squad with you, but I sadly do not have my PS3 at the moment
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.12 23:25:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended.
These are the scores at the EOM screen:
My Team 1. 0/3 2. 4/1 3. 5/2 (Me) 4. 2/11 5. 0/15 6. 2/6 7. 2/10 8. 0/2 9. 1/1 10. 1/4 11. 1/13 12. 0/7 13. 0/6 14. 0/0 15. 0/1 16. 0/3
Enemy Team 1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society) 2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.) 4. 12/3 5. 12/1 (research lab) 6. 7/1 7. 7/0 8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings) 9. 2/3 10. 4/5 11. 0/0 12. 3/3 13. 0/3 14. 0/1 15. 0/3 16. 0/0
Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear.
Got stomped by EB and Turd Rock lol. I also spy a Romulus Hex on that team as well I think. EDIT: Proto isn't the real problem here. Teamwork, matchmaking, and overall co-ordination are to blame. I didn't get stomped; I joined at the end of the match. And it wasn't Romulus Hex, it was Jera13 (or something like that). I caught him camping and taking out newberries from a distance so I killed him.
You personally might have done well, but the team failed. I know you can't do much in that scenario, but this game would be far better off if people PTFO'd rather than worried about how well they personally did.
Please note again that I said that there wasn't much you could do in that scenario.
Still, The goal is to win. Not to look good losing.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:37:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is.
Do it. Give me tiericide so that the SP barrier is lower for entry.
I expect to see all of you wearing them loud and proud.
Full proto suit matches are fun because you have something to fight for. People get freaking TENACIOUS when they wear it (Except for a few I meet who run at the slightest chance of trouble).
I told you the reason why I played PC. People had something to fight for larger than themselves. THAT is what made the matches fun. There is something amazing at watching people burn through suits that only give you a slight advantage, all because they want that advantage to beat you into the ground, no matter the cost.
Most of that magic is gone now, hence why I moved on to other games. Unreal Tourament is hella fun right now.
But I always check back here because I love this game and want to see it move on. I wanna see this on PC SO BAD.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:50:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Press Attache wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear? I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear?
Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently.
Truth be told, we need to give new players more SP to start with. They need about 5 mil to start, with some increased SP gain until a certain threshold.
I can make a good budget Cal Assault fit for around 13mil SP, costs you 43k ISK, and packs just shy of 800 HP with decent regen. Protofits didn't update for the extra low slot, but you have enough room for an adv ferro on there.
This suit is literally only JUST behind proto fit with a far lesser SP investment and is about 1/3 the cost. Proto only gives a small benefit for a giant premium.
If you can't do well with this suit, no way in hell will you do well in a proto suit.
Personally, I would love to give new guys 5mil SP to play with and a respec at 15 mil SP for free. Accelerated SP should let them get to that point in a month, two tops. After that, normal SP gain.
The cores are really the issue here. You need to have them at around 3 or 4 to make most fits work. Thankfully, you can get 80% of the benefit from a skill in about 50% of the time, and all SP past 25 mil is irrelevant. At 25 mil you should have all your cores maxed and a suit fully proto'd out. Everything past just adds to your versatility.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.10.13 04:45:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:OK, as I said... willing to concede I'm wrong. Isn't the SP cap at 750K/week? That'll get you into a suit, but we're talking about the gear, not just the suit. I know, and the grind is a mother. More starting skills, enough to use every standard module, drop suit cores at 3, and light weapons operation 4 with a starting unallocated of 750 would be rough starting point.
I like that better than my 5 mil flat idea.
Fool proof so people always have some decent core skills
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