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Shaun Iwairo
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:09:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto?
If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is.
Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:26:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Press Attache wrote:
If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP.
I don't agree, but see where it gets you.
People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It is absolutely not the players fault for playing hard from start to finish. CCP made a game that in your eyes cannot stand up to high level play. That's isn't true, you just need a scapegoat and proto stompers are it, but don't blame the players. You absolutely can and should blame CCP for people not being able to play their game without self policing and being considerate of the losers feelings to not "destroy" the game.
I'll always agree with the point that it's not the players fault for running the best gear they can and playing as hard as they can against vets and new players alike. The way Dust is set up with it's wildly varying stat modifiers from tiers and SP would be perfectly fine if the matchmaker had the playerbase it needed. But it doesn't, so here we are.
Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:37:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear?
I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player.
Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear?
Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently.
Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:53:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Do it. Give me tiericide so that the SP barrier is lower for entry. I expect to see all of you wearing them loud and proud. Full proto suit matches are fun because you have something to fight for. People get freaking TENACIOUS when they wear it (Except for a few I meet who run at the slightest chance of trouble). I told you the reason why I played PC. People had something to fight for larger than themselves. THAT is what made the matches fun. There is something amazing at watching people burn through suits that only give you a slight advantage, all because they want that advantage to beat you into the ground, no matter the cost. Most of that magic is gone now, hence why I moved on to other games. Unreal Tourament is hella fun right now. But I always check back here because I love this game and want to see it move on. I wanna see this on PC SO BAD.
I agree with you when you say when people have something to fight for, matches are fun as hell. However, is it full proto matches that are fun as hell or PC matches that are fun as hell? I can see how people have something larger to fight for in PC matches. But in full proto matches people only have the expense of their suit to fight for, and you're also suggesting to make them less expensive (via higher payouts). Wouldn't that make proto suits less of a thing to fight for, and in turn reduce the tenaciousness of those wearing them?
EDIT: Just saw your other post
I can make a good budget Cal Assault fit for around 13mil SP, costs you 43k ISK, and packs just shy of 800 HP with decent regen.
It's a great ADV fit, that's for sure. But at 43k isk I imagine a new player could only lose two of these before going ISK negative. Factor in the new player having to buy skillbooks on top of replacing lost suits and I don't think it's feasible. Also, your 800HP with decent regen figure is at all Vs.
While 3m SP doesn't sound like much to you, it's a month straight of capping out and perfectly allocating your SP. Being realistic and saying the new player probably won't do either it's going to be a lot longer than a month.
Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 03:00:00 -
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OK, as I said... willing to concede I'm wrong. Isn't the SP cap at 750K/week? That'll get you into a suit, but we're talking about the gear, not just the suit.
Stat modifiers are killing new player retention.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 03:44:00 -
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Heh I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you meant that after 3 weeks a new player could be in a proto loadout.
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Shaun Iwairo
Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.10.13 08:35:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums?
Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game?
imgur is a good image hosting site.
Player age can be found from http://dustboard.com/global/
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