I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended.

These are the scores at the EOM screen:

My Team
1. 0/3
2. 4/1
3. 5/2 (Me)
4. 2/11
5. 0/15
6. 2/6
7. 2/10
8. 0/2
9. 1/1
10. 1/4
11. 1/13
12. 0/7
13. 0/6
14. 0/0
15. 0/1
16. 0/3

Enemy Team
1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society)
2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
4. 12/3
5. 12/1 (research lab)
6. 7/1
7. 7/0
8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings)
9. 2/3
10. 4/5
11. 0/0
12. 3/3
13. 0/3
14. 0/1
15. 0/3
16. 0/0

Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear.

People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do.

This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one.

Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately.

And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like.

Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight.

I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear.

Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears.

But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time.

So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that.

I'm willing to concede I'm wrong here, but I don't think it takes 3 weeks to get into a proto suit, with complex armor mods and/or complex shield mods, complex damage mods and a proto gun. Then you've got to get the core skills to be able to fit that stuff, and whatever other complex stuff you need like kincats/precisions/range amps etc. All this while earning less WP/match and thus considerably less SP/match as a new player.

Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear?


Of course I can't say yes or no for sure, but what I can say is that pro provides a measurable, additional amout of EHP and DPS than you get with adv. It's likely that a number of engagements would have ended differently.

Guess what? You aren't the only person who has been here since 2012, I started playing in July of 2012 and regardless of that I still don't see how reducing an argument to base terms and ignoring all nuances involved helps anything. Plenty of veterans choose not to play certain matches for untold numbers of reasons that have been expressed time and time again over the years. Most simply left rather than put up with it, but for those who remain that leave matches they by and large want matches where they aren't placed into lopsided matches and pushed up against players that are going to spam officer gear or run broken fittings. Or, given there's a difference of opinion, fits they deem broken and not fun to fight against.

Also things that are breaking the standard gameplay they grew to love in Dust makes them unwilling to deal with some matches; things like the RE grenades, rooftop camping and the new fad of suits that CQC with mass drivers and PLCs by jumping above the blast radius as they fire, are making certain matches just not worth the effort and frustration to play them.

This all leads to them trying out what they are dealing with in a match and either quitting to get to the next game, saying **** it and afking to get their end of match rewards or doing stupid crap all match for fun just to have something to do.

As for your assumptions about new player numbers, they are just that. Assumptions. If you have some hard numbers backing your remarks then you can actually make a proper point, but so far all you've done is make statements based on how you think things are according to your narrow experience with the game and not based on any solid data. There are much more productive means of spending your time than wasting everyone else's with remarks like:

If you want all the reasons why people do this, go read all of the 'people leaving matches' threads. Or you could keep doing what you're doing now and try to convince people of your views without any backing data. The only reason I'm sill up right now (5am) is because my back hurts too bad to sleep and don't have the focus to write more about this right now. I'm done with this.

OK. I will start taking down the results of more matches and you will see what is happening to newberries.

You want names from the match scores I originally posted? I don't see that happening. That match is done and over with. You can submit a ticket and see if CCP might have record of that match.

As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums?

Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game?