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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:36:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:If you won't run in a squad, why play modes with everyone piled on to one point?
Solo bro can do more in skirmish, the proto squad can't be at every flag.
I joined at the end of the match and shot up to 3rd place; I can handle myself. The focus is on NPE. |
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:40:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended.
These are the scores at the EOM screen:
My Team
1. 0/3
2. 4/1
3. 5/2 (Me)
4. 2/11
5. 0/15
6. 2/6
7. 2/10
8. 0/2
9. 1/1
10. 1/4
11. 1/13
12. 0/7
13. 0/6
14. 0/0
15. 0/1
16. 0/3
Enemy Team
1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society)
2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
4. 12/3
5. 12/1 (research lab)
6. 7/1
7. 7/0
8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings)
9. 2/3
10. 4/5
11. 0/0
12. 3/3
13. 0/3
14. 0/1
15. 0/3
16. 0/0
Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear.
Got stomped by EB and Turd Rock lol. I also spy a Romulus Hex on that team as well I think. EDIT: Proto isn't the real problem here. Teamwork, matchmaking, and overall co-ordination are to blame.
I didn't get stomped; I joined at the end of the match. And it wasn't Romulus Hex, it was Jera13 (or something like that). I caught him camping and taking out newberries from a distance so I killed him. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:43:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Press Attache wrote:Vicious Minotaur wrote:Working as intended. Noobs are supposed to go negative, get their teeth kicked in, and made to not want to play.
It's part of DUSTs comprehensive player retention strategy. Didn't you get the memo? Show us on the doll where the big mean squad touched you. They touched me right there Mr. Attorney General *SOBS* It's not fair! I'm totally in the same league as them, they're not better than me at all! Its the suits I tell you, THE SUITS. I can't compete with suits that have the same number of slots, bonuses when leveled, coupled with my core skills that apply no matter what suit I run! They're ruining the game! Lets just remove those suits from normal matches! They're obviously the sole factor in why these guys are getting stomped! I know you are speaking sarcastically but you are right. Yesterday I did a test where I created a secondary account and a new toon. Basically its not so much the proto suits but the skill point investmen as well as the higher cpu and pg. New players can't compete because they dont have level 5 in x skill or dont know how to skill or skilled into the wrong thing. There is no guiding hand for them or a safe place for them to train. Instant battle academy doesn't work.
And those newberries will never get their Core Skills to Level5 if Proto Squads keep driving them away from this game.
Also, I want to add that your experience with the game provides you an advantage over newberries so your experience with a fresh alt does not equate to NPE. |
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:57:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Summa Militum wrote:I just joined a losing Acquisition Battle in which I was in the match for maybe just a couple of minutes before it ended.
These are the scores at the EOM screen:
My Team
1. 0/3
2. 4/1
3. 5/2 (Me)
4. 2/11
5. 0/15
6. 2/6
7. 2/10
8. 0/2
9. 1/1
10. 1/4
11. 1/13
12. 0/7
13. 0/6
14. 0/0
15. 0/1
16. 0/3
Enemy Team
1. 21/5 (The Darkhunter Society)
2. 26/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
3. 9/1 (T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K.)
4. 12/3
5. 12/1 (research lab)
6. 7/1
7. 7/0
8. 6/0 (Eternal Beings)
9. 2/3
10. 4/5
11. 0/0
12. 3/3
13. 0/3
14. 0/1
15. 0/3
16. 0/0
Take a guess as to which team was running Proto Gear.
This literally proves my point. Get mad at EIGHT of 32 in the match that were actually playing. It doesn't even look like there was a full squad on the one team. This does nothing but show how pathetic this playerbase is.
You think I am mad at those who didn't go negative in their KDR? That's what you are taking away from this?
Someone needs to make a facepalm emoji. |
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Posted - 2015.10.12 23:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Press Attache wrote:
If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP.
I don't agree, but see where it gets you.
People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical.
The only ones who get scared are vets who quit matches when they see they are facing a challenge. Newberries simply say "**** it" and move on to a new game. |
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Posted - 2015.10.12 23:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I was thinking of posting screenshots of matches just like this to showcase how it's more about droves of players not doing anything in matches.
Are there people dumb enough to think that 75% of the players in matches are new?
I have been playing a lot of matches recently where 75% of the players on my team are part of one of those generic corps that people are assigned to when they first start. |
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:03:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Grimmiers wrote:Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight.
I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear.
Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears.
But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players.
So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that. |
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Press Attache wrote:
If people playing hard ruins the game to you, take it up with CCP.
I don't agree, but see where it gets you.
People running off players ruins the game for me. CCP isn't to blame for these people doing so, it's a choice they have made. Sure there are things CCP can do to mitigate it (such as locking proto/officer out of pubs) but there's only so much they're willing to do and can do. But again you can't blame CCP for these people choosing to do what they do. It's a video game. I doubt CCP could have expected so many would be scared of getting killed in a video game. It's just not logical. This is the logical fallacy known as causal reductionism boys and girls. You sir are the illogical one. Your skills at oversimplifying a very important debate are so OP that your posts have devolved into something irrelevant to the discussion. CCP nerf immediately. And you are more than welcome to keep your opinions to yourself if you like. Then how and why are so many people on both of the teams in the OP's example NOT killing or dying? I've been playing for over 3 years. I've been watching the game devolve into these borefests of VETERANS who choose not to fight in this FPS.
Some of those people would have joined in at the end of the match like I did. |
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Posted - 2015.10.13 01:32:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Shaun Iwairo wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
And you actually pay attention to what I talk about, you'll know that I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.
Full proto matches are fun as hell.
I verbally harass anyone who tries to delude themselves that proto suits are the cause of their problems. Its a minute factor in a much larger scheme.
I'm actually in favor of raising payouts so EVERYONE can run proto.That is so short sighted. What about the new players that can't run proto? You're suggesting to throw them in matches with even more people in proto? If suits are a minute factor in a much larger scheme, why do you suggest a change that will allow everyone with the SP to run them full time? If they're a minute factor, why are matches fun as hell when everyone is wearing them? Because you get close matches? Because putting everyone in the same tier gear tends to even out the playing field? You want to believe that running proto isn't a big deal but you've inadvertently highlighted why it is. Because 3 weeks of SP and you are proto, the game has been around for longer than that. Do you really think the scores in the OPs match would have been that much different if the squad that actually played was only in advanced gear?
Just so you remember, I am actively pushing to have Proto/Officer Gear and squads removed from Public Contracts. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.13 06:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Grimmiers wrote:Yeah I'm not sure there's a way to fix this problem without a lot of changes to npe. It's not the protogear that's the problem and usually in a pub nowadays the people that go 0/20 leave before that point making a lopsided match. I see these boards in fw a lot though, but at least those people stay for the fight.
I feel like a lot of these players are just out of loop of hidden changes on the forums and believe in the misconception that high scores can only be earned with better gear.
Dust is also a very different shooter with high hp, or movement making each individual fight feel really different. Like you can be shooting behind cover at a commando and suddenly a jumping mass driver minassault appears.
But yeah I feel sorry for the newberries that get killed for 20 minutes at a time. I do too, but I'll guarantee you that if the OP updated his list with names we'd find the majority are veteran players. So you want me to display more match results but with the names of the people? I have no problem doing that. Yes, but only if you'll shut up after we find out that most of those pathetic scores are players that have been around a long time.
OK. I will start taking down the results of more matches and you will see what is happening to newberries. |
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.13 06:36:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:OP, if you post the names from that match AND post their born on date from Dustboard I'll send you 25 million ISK.
Also please post an actual screenshot of the match so we can verify.
You want names from the match scores I originally posted? I don't see that happening. That match is done and over with. You can submit a ticket and see if CCP might have record of that match.
As for future matches, I can take pictures of the EOM screens. What website should I use to store the pictures to so I can post the links to the pics on the forums?
Also, what is the website to check the age of a character in this game? |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.13 06:47:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
No, I don't want you to guess if they are new or not. Post screen shots or type their names next to their scores.
I'm offering to pay you for the trouble.
So I have stuff going on with work and stuff right now so I am not keeping up with this thread as fast as you are responding to it.
****After posting this I realized I was at the end of the thread. |
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