One idea I mentioned in the original shield discussion (the one that got derailed) was the idea of only having one shield recharge delay stat, and having that number then be modulated by current shield hp to be different.

For example, assuming a 10 second recharge delay (large number to make easy math):

At 50% shield hp the recharge delay is 50% so only 5 seconds,
At 25% shield hp the recharge delay is 75% so 7.5 seconds.

(We could always have a different algorithm if this is too simple / bad)

The end result is that it better encourages shield users to make use of cover as they can have extremely low recharges if they can pop in and out of cover each time only requiring a fraction of their normal recharge delay.

Armor tanks however would almost never benefit from this as they would always incur their full recharge delay, even if the values are not significantly different from other races.

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The other more dramatic (and probably stupid) idea I had was to make regen a function over time. Basically every suit would have a 1 second delay, and a regular shield delay. After the one second delay shields begin to regenerate at 1hp/sec with the regen rate increasing linearly until it reaches 100% of the suits regen value at it's normal shield recharge delay.

Using simple math again, assuming a 11 second recharge delay and 100 regen, then it would start out at 1 hp /sec at the one second mark, and increase by 10 hp / sec every second until it reached max (or full shield recharge). With damage restarting the delay (and regen rate) as per normal.

since when does the CR and RR put out 15% bonus against armor? The last update I remember was to make both of them -10/+10 towards shield/armor.

And about your damage mod point.....most people do is fit tank and damage on those armor fits. When guys are running around with 700+hp armor and 190hp shields, you already know what they're running.

Rail rifles are +10% to armour. Combat rifles, SMGs and HMGs are +15%. It's been like this for ages. These weapons absolutely destroy armour suits.

And just because many people fit all armour and damage on their armour suits doesn't mean they haven't sacrificed anything to do so. Myofibs, Kincats, precision mods, profile dampeners, all good modules sacrificed for the armour + damage. Just because you can't fit shield extenders or damage mods in low slots doesn't mean they are useless.

There's no reason you can't fit damage mods on a Caldari assault. The game should be balanced so this is competitive.

And if you want to go for the pure tank + damage shield fit you should feel happy about the regulators fit in your low. Hence why I don't agree with reducing their value.

CRs were never 15% to armor. It used to be -5%/+10% to shield/armor respectively. They have since modified it so both CR and RR yields the same bonus.

I'm not saying that those other mods are not useful. They can be but when you are in a gunfight, nothing helps more than tank and damage. The other mods help especially with aiding with situational awareness, or escaping, flanking, etc. But when it's time to show down, a kincat can't help you to strafe faster. What good is a regulator when you are taking consistent damage on an objective?

And of course, I can use damage mods on a cal fit but I'll be sacrificing my primary tank as opposed to armor fits which gets to keep their primary tank. And at the same time, they get to deal max damage. I can use armor plates to compensate but that defeats the purpose of shield tanking. I might as well, just use an armor suit which is better for it.

we just discussed faction based shield thresholds, even role based, something like this

CA 12
MI 10
GA 8
AM 6

Caldari:
Assault 12
Commando 12
Sentinel 11
Scout 11
Logistics 10

Before focusing too much on Cal suits (i have a lot of fun with a shield tanked cal ass), currently minmatar can't shield tank, not even the 5/2 medium frame, total shield HP are low (acceptable/comprehensible), shield delays are literally terrible (not acceptable).

In a similar way of gallente being masters at repair, minmatar should have better delays or recharge values.

I don't think that you get it still.....I am saying that Caldari suits can not compete with the damage output of the armor suits. I don't necessarily need a nerf to armor. By allowing the damage mods to be in either the low or high slots will allow shield suits to compete. We can restrict it to so that you can only put damage mods in either the high OR the low slots in one fit and not both. I'm not saying that that will solve all of the problems but it would be a major step.

I'm not discussing damage mods in a shield mods thread.

This isn't your thread so stfu

No.

Ever notice that caldari weapons tend to hit harder? Does the AARR need damage mods to be competitive? the Kallakiota rail doesn't I assure you.

Second of all, this is not a thread about shield mods+î it's a thread about shields in general.

I'm not talking about anything relevant to the topic of the thread here. I'm saying that the thread maker decides what is talked abput in the thread. If he wants to talk about damage mods it's his decision.

I don't care if you're a CPM or the frickin King of Spain, stfu and let the OP speak.

Cool. I'm sorry, but the damage mods in high issue wasn't on our radar this week, we were working on other things. maybe next week. If people insist on berating us for not doing something about it we might push the discussion back to the week after.

Getting mad because we aren't doing things your way on your timetable isn't going to accomplish anything.

Rattati gets final say on what goes where, and how. We don't.

He brought an issue. I answered it as best I can.

He jumped down my throat for not giving the exact answer he wanted.

I stopped giving a crap about what he wanted at that point, because I'm not going to be berated because he doesn't like the facts as presented.

It's that simple. Get it straight, I'm not going to pander to people. If I give a straight answer and get called a goddamn idiot, you can expect me to not continue bothering to be nice.

Just a teeny tiny suggestion. Make it so armor suirs cannot regen shield before their armor is fully repped. And if you really want to maintain balance, make it the inverse for shield suits. However, Minmatar can be special in that they can repair both at the same time, giving them an interesting attribute.

That's right, keep filling the qq bucket. Not like I'm baiting you or anything...

ScR is 20% damage to shields?

+20% damage vs. shields, -20% damage vs. armor.

No.

Ever notice that caldari weapons tend to hit harder? Does the ARR need damage mods to be competitive? the Kaalakiota rail doesn't I assure you.

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But don't you get more out of a weapon with a higher starting damage stat. So wouldn't a damage mod on a rail rifle actually be more effective than say an AR.

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