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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 05:29:00 - [1] - Quote the shield stuff is multi-stage. Stage 1 is straightening out recharge delays. 1A: This has a massive effect not only on survivability, but on fitting choices. Common wisdom is that a proper shield tank on an assault (if you don't want to just give in and put ferroscales on) is three regulators in the lows. That means a calassault has to devote eight slots to their tank versus a gal/amarr assault's four. One of the lows on a gal/am assault is usually reserved for biotics, sometimes two but usually two ferros or plates and one or two reps. By making regulators less mandatory for a good shield fit rather than absolutely critical it improves the calassault (and to a lesser degree, shield tanked minmatar suits) by a good deal. Suddenly damps, biotics and other modules become an option. Stage 2 is adjusting modules so they aren't ass. Stage 3 is making fun of me and my ideas. Seriously, I actually have a sense of humor. I can take it as good as I dish. Stage 4 is comparing usage and, more importantly Kill per spawn metrics with armor to see if we're on the right track. Lastly, if we find that we cannot stabilize Shields in a similar Kill/spawn range as the Armor mods, THEN we look at toning down armor. There is no one on the CPM who is delusional enough to believe that this is the magic bullet that will save all. I push it because lowering shield delays means that fitting options are less automatically dictated for shield suit players if they don't want to have to fit armor for viability. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 05:45:00 - [2] - Quote None of us are pushing to remove anything. Just because we're looking to push TTK to the slower side a LITTLE bit doesn't mean we're going to try and remove options rather than shore up failing ones WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: I will strongly oppose unless the Gal Sent is able to out rep the Amarr Sent. Oh for want of free reign on one or three skills in the skill tree. Can I do the dropsuit command and Frame Skills? I have horrible, glorious ideas WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 07:38:00 - [4] - Quote Actually I take the philosophy of: the closer you take your shield HP towards armor levels, the closer to base armor regen values you should have to suffer. It's why the proposal me, Cat merc and Ripley Riley cooked up a while back had a heavy duty extender that penalized the shield rep rate. Damn thing would require a shield energizer to bring the calsent regen back UP to baseline if you fit three of them. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:14:00 - [5] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't think that you get it still.....I am saying that Caldari suits can not compete with the damage output of the armor suits. I don't necessarily need a nerf to armor. By allowing the damage mods to be in either the low or high slots will allow shield suits to compete. We can restrict it to so that you can only put damage mods in either the high OR the low slots in one fit and not both. I'm not saying that that will solve all of the problems but it would be a major step. I'm not discussing damage mods in a shield mods thread. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:16:00 - [6] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't think that you get it still.....I am saying that Caldari suits can not compete with the damage output of the armor suits. I don't necessarily need a nerf to armor. By allowing the damage mods to be in either the low or high slots will allow shield suits to compete. We can restrict it to so that you can only put damage mods in either the high OR the low slots in one fit and not both. I'm not saying that that will solve all of the problems but it would be a major step. I'm not discussing damage mods in a shield mods thread. This isn't your thread so stfu No. Ever notice that caldari weapons tend to hit harder? Does the ARR need damage mods to be competitive? the Kaalakiota rail doesn't I assure you. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:23:00 - [7] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Second of all, this is not a thread about shield mods+î it's a thread about shields in general. Cool. I'm sorry, but the damage mods in high issue wasn't on our radar this week, we were working on other things. maybe next week. If people insist on berating us for not doing something about it we might push the discussion back to the week after. Getting mad because we aren't doing things your way on your timetable isn't going to accomplish anything. Rattati gets final say on what goes where, and how. We don't. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 19:29:00 - [8] - Quote He brought an issue. I answered it as best I can. He jumped down my throat for not giving the exact answer he wanted. I stopped giving a crap about what he wanted at that point, because I'm not going to be berated because he doesn't like the facts as presented. It's that simple. Get it straight, I'm not going to pander to people. If I give a straight answer and get called a goddamn idiot, you can expect me to not continue bothering to be nice. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.22 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: That's right, keep filling the qq bucket. Not like I'm baiting you or anything... well played. I should know better than to forumwar before coffee. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 11	Posted - 2015.09.24 04:28:00 - [10] - Quote CallMeNoName wrote: This all just seems "pls ccp mak my long rang dropsut as gud as short rang". It should be just as good. At medium ranges where they overlap. At long ranges the long range suit should be better. At short range it ahould be worse. WoW has taught me that Purple means Legendary. This means Quafe suits are the optimal loadout for killing all of you.

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