Everytime I post in one of those CPM threads about shields before it gets locked...my point gets glossed over. Does anyone else agree that shield regen/recharge is not the problem with the shield tanking?

Shield tanking is not viable cause you are melted by the double & triple damage modded amarr and gallente suits. Not to mention throwing flux grenades are like nukes to shield tankers and they are easier to use than a locus grenade.

I'm not familiar with all of the CPM's style of play or preferences but I do know one has been a longtime advocate for armor and has expressed many times that he felt that shields are in a great place (before he became CPM). Now, in Aeon's threads, everyone is agrees on what the problem with shield tanking is? I don't undersand at all.

It is a simple thing to understand. Armor suit maintain their primary tank and can stack double or triple damage mods on ARs or laser based weapons (20% damage bonus to shields). How can a shield tanker compete with the damage output if we have to sacrifice our primary tank to keep up with their damage output?

In even clearer terms....amarr assault gets to don 700hp of armor with damage mods on a weapon that has a 20% damage bonus to shields. Caldari assault would have a bit over 500 shields if we sacrifice two highs for damage mods. In order to compensate, you see cal assaults with armor plates. Armor tanking on a cal assault defeats the purpose of shield tanking. One plate may be ok but I see 400 hp of armor on cal assaults regularly.

Does everyone disagree with this being the big issue or do people agree that the focus needs to lie here?

#1 is the base suit stats having a method that provides a solid foundation
#2 is tuning the mods (and hopefully adding a few options as well) to give shields more love and diversity
#3 is looking at possible comparative issues with weapons, such a profile bias, this is more of a side step.
#4 is looking at the raw stats of the armor mods.

The problem is shield regen and shield delay. Amarr and Gallente weapons are anti-shield weapons just like Caldari and Minmatar weapons are anti-armour.

Flux grenades are a problem and need to take a look at. Even a basic flux is powerful enough to wipe a Caldari Sent's shields. My proposal is to nerf its damage vs infantry but keep the damage against vechiles the same. I have no idea about numbers.

I also agree that shield tanking is not viable as to have semi-decent shields, you are stacking shield mods in your highs and have no place to put damage modifiers or mylolfibs. Why not either make a new slot for damage modifiers in the suit or make it so they can be fitted in either high slots or low slots.

Im all for reducing the TTK, but not at the risk of making a suit which members of the community use not viable. I apologize for my outburst, but any talk of removing (which, again sorry to nitpick, Aeon hinted at with his "the way of the dodo" comment) damage mods is something I will strongly oppose unless the Gal Sent is able to out rep the Amarr Sent.

we just discussed faction based shield thresholds, even role based, something like this

CA 12
MI 10
GA 8
AM 6

Caldari:
Assault 12
Commando 12
Sentinel 11
Scout 11
Logistics 10

Before focusing too much on Cal suits (i have a lot of fun with a shield tanked cal ass), currently minmatar can't shield tank, not even the 5/2 medium frame, total shield HP are low (acceptable/comprehensible), shield delays are literally terrible (not acceptable).

In a similar way of gallente being masters at repair, minmatar should have better delays or recharge values.