Aka hp and dps. Two out of your 8 available slots are dedicated to something other than hp and dps. This is my point exactly.

I don't see the problem - the role it's intended is Slayer, which means to kill as quickly as possible and survive. Why would you stack anything but mods specifically designed for this purpose?

Because he wants the old assault scouts back basically.

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Nerfing Armor Plates won't resurrect Assault Lite, but it very well might make other low slot modules more attractive. Buffing other low slot modules could accomplish the same, but this approach would be far less efficient and more risky. In my estimation, increasing fitting requirements for plates would likely be the least risky and most efficient path to greater low slot variety.

No nerfing armor plates won't make the other mods attractive because they're pieces of crap. Damps aren't more than peripherally useful and are this side of worthless for sentinels.

Scan range mods? They're a joke.

Oh wait! How about lots of armor reps?

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The only things useful more than peripherally and for special tasks that require an alternate method in the lows are: the three plates. Kincats. Cardiac regs for wierdos like me who prefer marathon running to sprinting.

Since regulators are only really useful on caldari and minmatar suits?

Right.

Yes, nerfing plates will absolutely solve a problem of undesirable low slot mods.

Buff the mods. This idea is the lazy, low-effort, no reward route.

Increased low-slot variety is the reward. We can take the risky road to that end, or we can take the obvious and direct route. If we take the direct route, we also have a shot at fixing Armor v Shield imbalance. Two birds with one nerf.

So I don't, again, see the problem here.

Let's pick another game. One with lots of options:
https://youtu.be/NXmy8kUE5qc?t=20

Now imagine if this game had one type of gizmo that worked better than all other types of gizmos.
In every tryhard siege wagon created, that gizmo could be found. Not just once, but stacked.
What do you think this game's developers would do?

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Back to Dust, for 6 straight months 80% or better of every killfeed in every match read:
"Assault Rifle"

At the time, did you see this as a problem? It seems obvious now that we're accustomed to battlefield variety, but at the time (as I'm sure you recall) there were some who didn't see the problem. A few of 'em are running for CPM2.

go get a scout suit, shesh. If you're using more health mods then damps or speed then you're just bad.

Some people didn't see a problem with scouts being completely undetectable except by one solitary niche fit while being able to instagib everyone before the cloak dropped either.

They also protested that a calscout dancing dirctly through an HMG spray without taking a single point of damage wasn't broken at all.

They also in closed beta cried very loudly that scouts were worthless unless they were completely undetectable.

Those arguments cut both ways.

This suggestion of yours falls into these examples by accomplishing nothing but making it easier for a shotgun to the back to work before the target has a chance to react.

Adipem is pretty much to scouts what I am to AV sentinels.

Right now his bias is bleeding onto the floor.

"Don't nerf Armor ... because Scouts"

^ Is this really your reasoning? Come on, Breakin. You can do better. Dig deep.

"Don't nerf Armor ... because Scouts"

^ Is this really your reasoning? Come on, Breakin. You can do better. Dig deep.

http://dust.thang.dk/market_tryhardinator.php

^ Take a peak at low-slot module utilization. That's what imbalance looks like.

Explain for me how my bias caused that imbalance to happen.
Explain for me why my bias should prevent us from fixing that imbalance.

That argument cuts both ways Mr. "No, scouts are fine."

All you're trying to do is force people to use crap that doesn't provide any measurably useful benefit except in EXTREME edge cases.

If you think other low slot modules are crap, how do you propose we fix them?

How do you purpose we balance tanks?

Because he wants the old assault scouts back basically.

I want to have high regen and speed and not get instakilled.

Yeah, I remember that time in PC, I'd rather not go back to it.

If you think other low slot modules are crap, how do you propose we fix them?

when really there's only a few truly viable ways to fit suits.

If you think other low slot modules are crap, how do you propose we fix them?

if you think stacking HP = Win I'd have to ask if you've played dust before. Sure in a 1 on 1 engagement, preferably with a logi repping you a lot of HP is a good thing. You'll still die in one shot to a plasma cannon, remote, forge gun, nova knives and most upper end sniper riffles all because your so slow. Armor reps insanely slow even with a couple complex mods. Even with 20-30 reps a second your looking at almost a minute to recover if you have around 1000 armor.

Honestly the way to win in dust has pretty much and always will be killing the other guy quickly. Load up on dmg mods, equip a good weapon and profit. Speed/maneuverability helps as well. While the strafe glitch isn't there any more you'll still dodge some bullets. Plus the whole TTK is greatly increased if it takes you less time to get from one kill to another.

I will agree shields kind of suck right now, but there isn't a lot they can do. Tweak the numbers a little to much and you get what we used to have in the old flaylock/shotgun scout days. A scout could rush threw a squad blazing away, come out the other side wait half a second and be back at full shields. There was no team work involved with shields. Logi's can do anything to them and if they recover to fast it makes the hard to hit scouts way to OP.

Given that shields basically have no draw backs compared to using armor I'd say for the most part shields are okay. Perhaps lower the cost of some the shield mods, but other than that their good. If people want higher shield HP totals, comparable to armor then they need to nerf the base shield recovery of most drop suits. Very few people even need to touch a recharger or regulator. They just stack extenders.

Armor on the other hand you have to equip everything. Your drop suits base armor stats are usually pretty pathetic. IF you tried to get by on your base recovery you'd be there a very long time, even in a scout.

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See, i can't view this post as anything but an opinion, because, it quite literally is. A biased one at that.

You just compared Dust to a completely different game with a completely different design concept. This is an FPS - generally speaking, you want to kill or be killed.