Gotta say Counter, kudos on the information. This'll help a lot of the incoming players that aren't familiar with the EVE universe or DUST's base concepts (10K or so in the next few weeks alone). I also liked the fact that you gave Minmatar a whole paragraph and the other races have just a few sentences, heh. Going Sebiestor with my merc and hoping the other Minmatar racial gear has strong ties to the their building habits when it finally hits the market.

Pretty solid so far, should help new players orient themselves a bit until the proper tutorial gets finished and put ingame :)

As a suggestion counter logic, putting a link to this thread in your OP might help. The beta IRC channel is the best place for people to get answers to their questions in real time, and sometimes chat with the devs that are there, maybe catch some cool new info that is not yet released on the forums!

It's really the best place to go for people who need help.

Thanks for the information. I'm also new to the lore and that helped. Just a question. When I signed up last night I just created one class and I chose the Gallente as my preference. However when I sign in to these forums I'm part of the Amarr Empire?
Unless these are just bugs of the closed beta.

Anyway for the other two classes can I choose to join other federations or am I just stuck with one?

You are just randomly assigned a faction in the beta as of now. It is intentional.

reduces the amount of repeats on the forums

SKILLS:

Dust is very different when it comes to skills. In Dust you gain skills by allocating sp (skill points). You gain a static amount every day/hour/minute/second this is a relatively low amount. You gain even more by playing the game and doing things in a match.

Nicely done there man.. Quick question for the floor.. Anyone know how the logi suit stacks up against the scout/assault in terms of armor? (not armor armor, but in survivability and hit taking?) Wondering if it's a better alternative to my assault suits as I like the support role. (It's what I always play in FPS)

very nice job, when nda lifted you should do a site or a blog or something with this content

Hey there, Great question. On the last night of this weekends beta I was able to talk to an avid logi player, and I picked his brain about the suit.

Basically as it stands right now in the beta, the logi suit is a little slower and not that much more durable than the assault suit so mobility is a pain, and you drop almost as fast. You have a lot more slots to work with however with the logi suit, but are hard to fit with a lot of high end mods because most of your cpu/pg is taken up by equipment.

So to answer your end question there, no I do not think it would be a good alternative to the assault suit for DIRECT combat with other assault suits. STATS WISE. Anyone could easily prove me wrong with sheer skill and a nice assault rifle. Just take eve for an example, the amount of theory crafting and weird fits that come up making previously uncommon ships omgwtfbbqamaing is pretty awesome. EDIT: forgot to mention that I do think that once remote repairers are introduced Logistics will be an awesome suit to use, and I intend on specializing in it =)

If you can come up with a fit that makes it a direct engagement option. Please share it!!!

The primary source of skill points will be passive skilling.

the main thing a NEW player to DUST514 should know is too Buy ONLY 1 of ALL the "Milita" items from the marketplace.

yeah i made mistake of buy 50, instead of just 1 since they do NOT run out.

I believe this is because all Militia items are BPO - Blueprint Originals as opposed to everything else which is BPC - Blueprint Copy. BPOs never run out, BPCs do. I'm not sure if there are any other BPO items on the market other than militia gear, but I'm interested to see how they handle BPOs for other items. I'm imagining they will be much more pricey than a regular BPC since a BPO is more a costly, but cheaper long-term investment.

I dont think we'll see BPOs at all other than militia gear.

CCP hate the fact that BPOs are in EVE as its a fixed point in the economy. Hence why they don't reseed them when accounts with them go inactive or they get blown up in transport etc.

Maybe worth adding information about some EVE politics and major players as i expect groups like NCdot and the CFC and GSF are going to outsourcing a lot of work to start with it wouldn't do the dust bunnies any harm at all to be getting involved in with the metagame and the politics and picking sides and potential clients as early as this..

I was thinking about this today, and I will add something. Please post any sources you may have that have over arching examples of some major historical events in EVE. I know there are a lot of things that happen in EVE that are considered "historical" to some players but not to "most" players...

You did a great job in your EVE Online history, but it might be good to post the official timeline?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Timeline

Also, did you link the PL Titan kill by the Shadows Of The Federation and Wolfsbrigade (as someone who's not with either group, props to PL for taking it so well, and to the two FW corps for pulling it off)? Beautiful.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83392
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82562

All this delving into EVE history, reminds me of when I played EVE and I am very much finding it hard to resist the urge to resub...

This cleared up a lot of things for me. But I'm a noob and I understand that my gun will probably suck since I don't have any skills. how do I get through the first couple of battles with this crappy gun so I can get more skills? It takes FOREVER for me to kill someone.

Believe it or not many people prefer using militia gear than isk gear. This is because militia gear is easy to make money in, this is important especially when you run around in 10k+ drop suits like me >.<

Well you can do a couple things to increase your effectiveness:

1. aim for the torso (head if you can) I say torso because you want to land as many shots as you can, the worst thing ever is dying between reloads. Head if you can beucase it does more damage but only if your confident you can hit it, I recommend it if you are fighting a heavy suit because it is slow and has a big head but against assault and scout suits they will be moving much faster so aim for their bodies.

2. Stick with teammates, even if you aren't able to talk to them directly stick with them and try and work together, safety in numbers. On the flip side of this, if you see them blindly run into a gun fight.....do not directly follow their footsteps often you will be the one who will die. If you see this flank or sit back and cover fire, essentially use them as bait.

3. Avoid open terrain or areas where the enemy can shoot DOWN on you. You will die a lot if you do not heed this warning.

4. upgrade your weapon skills before you upgrade your defense skills, this is because no matter what especially in a assault suit, you are going to get mowed down very easily in a gun fight. So best utilize your time alive by trying to hit harder than the opponent. This technique is a very popular one in EVE online, DPS tanking, dead enemies do no damage. so very simply put, a safe way to play is by playing smart by using cover, sticking with teammates, helping teammates, maximize your damage

Thank you for the question and I hope this helped =)

Will this be tweaked in the final game? It feels so much like Halo and I thought this game was gonna be like M.A.G . I don't like games where it takes forever to kill someone it annoys me. Thats my main disappointment with this game right now is with the bullet damage here. I trust that all the graphics and lag problems will be fixed.

This game looks so promising!!! The fact that its taking forever to kill someone is making me extremely angry and disappointed with the game i was gonna give up on this game, but being one of the few ps3 shooters with big battles and the first shooter that links with another mmorpg i hope that they fix all the problems and balance everything.

Are the developers intentionally giving everyone lots of health because this game is supposed to be like a halo, resistance 2, type with lots of health or is this just for testing.

The simple reason for this is, it isn't MAG, it also isn't halo or resistance. The reason people can take so much punishment in this game is because we are in super futuristic space battle suits ie dropsuits. Similar in a way to Spartans in Halo. These dropsuits (if read a few EVE chronicles you will know) are all that separate us from taking a few hits and well being obliterated into tiny bits from a single assault rifle round.

So to answer your question/concerns very bluntly, you are going to have to work for your kills not just shoot someone 2 times,lucky or not, like in MAG or CoD.

The simple reason for this is, it isn't MAG, it also isn't halo or resistance. The reason people can take so much punishment in this game is because we are in super futuristic space battle suits ie dropsuits. Similar in a way to Spartans in Halo. These dropsuits (if read a few EVE chronicles you will know) are all that separate us from taking a few hits and well being obliterated into tiny bits from a single assault rifle round.

So to answer your question/concerns very bluntly, you are going to have to work for your kills not just shoot someone 2 times,lucky or not, like in MAG or CoD.

So its gonna be meant to be like a halo/resistance type game. Where you're gonna have to aim for the head and put some shots into that person before they're going down.

that kind of disappoints me but still I cant step away from the fact that this game sounds awesome. How we're going to be influencing what goes in EVE. I guess I'll have to get used to it then.

I played a couple more matches and I literally got like 1 kill per match. 0_0. I'm still horrible at this game. I can't seem to kill the other person before they run away or they get me first.

What skills do i have to upgrade so i can kill people easier? And how many shots should it normally take to kill someone. One clip? I just wanna know if I'm missing all my shots lol.

From the sound of it, I think you might be haha. I find it odd you are only getting 1 kill per match, make sure you are doing the same thing they are when they kill you. Like move around, hit and run, strafe etc. There are skills that upgrade your weapon damage, increase reload speed, etc etc. Almost anything you can do in game there is a skill that modifies that action.

It is hard to say what YOU individually need. Id say if you want more survivability train up Mechanics to IV and Shield augmentation I think it is to IV whichever one you need to increase your shield hp.

Ever thought about getting a heavy suit with an HMG, Bamboo? Could be it's more your style, and your survivability will certainly go up a little bit.

The militia heavy dropsuit has no skill requirement I think so you only need to train up for the HMG (weaponry 3, heavy machine gun operation 1) and you're good to go. Perhaps it will be easier to hit people if you're spewing out 30 bullets per second... just saying.

And also I know i'm part of the guristas but is there a way to change that? Do different factions have different skills or something?

bumping this cause its needed.

This seems like a good place to post this as it may assist new players and more experianced players as well. I am pretty much a full on assault trooper that assist his buddies and throws down some nanohives for the heavies and such. I WANT to wear full proto, full complex armor/shield, and top of the line equipment BUT, that **** costs crazy amounts of cashe. Currently with just full proto and complex shield and armor repair I am at near 35k or so. With top end nanohives, grenades, ect ect I will easily hit 40k.

In a match I get anywhere between 60-120k, and 120k being a VERY lucky match. How does this work? I read that it depends on the other players dropsuits and stuff? Whats that about. I played a match with the full proto and such and ensured I didn't die, I did great, got like 20 kills a no deaths, hacked the **** out of everything, it was awesome. But when the match was over I barely got 70k? If I died 2 times I would have pretty much gained nothing...that kinda sucks? I want to be able to get in a tank and maybe try out a dropship, but im not going to do it if I can barely afford my damn suit. Do I just have to not use proto suits and proto gear?

How is everyone else doing on the money factor, any tips and such on how to increase money flow? I could really use some advice and assistance on this and I think everyone could benefit on some money tips.

*Doesn't see rule against bumping for sticky*
Bump!

What would you guys like me to touch on next? I have a copr/alliance post in the works but I would like some new player feedback on something that might be helpful to add =)

Well, at least the first 6 posts of this thread were not eye-bleedingly painful like the 10-post-wall-of-text Manifesto posted by James315 in the Eve forums about how miners are the scourge of New Eden.

There is a rule against bumping in the forum rules, but it is loosely enforced. But to be safe lets just talk instead.

I'll start.
HI!

Thank goodness this exists. I'm a complete noob and this universe is as daunting is as it is intriguing. Couple that with my lack of experience with FPS games, if it wasn't for the rich background and seemingly endless customization and development, I probably would be too intimidated to get involved.

As a beginner, I'm curious about if player organized teams form. If so, how can I go about joining such a group. If I were an experienced player, I surely wouldn't want to have dead weight like myself as a member. What's the best way to go about getting better? The few times I've tried my hand at online shooters, I couldn't survive long enough to even become accustomed to the controls.

Can't believe this thread hasn't reached sticky status yet.

Main thing i've noticed is that as your skills get better and you learn more you do better I'd say starting out try hacking stuff shoot the mcc jump in turrets try taking shots from far away with the scope even if you get a few hacks/assists/shots on mcc you get some exp also i'd say train a few things up a lvl or 2 at 1st before trying to specialize a bit better weapons/armor/shields you will start lasting longer and killing more and just use militia till you know what you are doing

Amarr Heavy: But a few sniper rounds. . .

I like the rest of this posts but this is incorrect, anyone in the non-militia heavy suits takes more than an entire clip of even the prototype sniper to kill.

Those descriptions of the suits are there to make them sound interesting and outline weaknesses and strengths, a weakness of any heavy suit is facing snipers.

A non-militia heavy takes more than a clip of anything short of a forge gun, or an HMG to take down.

If you are a sniper and a non-militia or militia heavy wanders into your sights, it is a very easy target, and possibly an easy kill depending on how long he sticks around. You can maximize your damage against him by getting head shots if you are good, from what I can tell headshots do more than 100% extra damage to drop suits. So comparatively a sniper only needs to shoot a few rounds compared to the close to a hundred someone with an AR would have to use on average to take one down.

It will take you a lot less bullets to take down a amarr heavy suit with a proto sniper than pretty much any other light weapon in the game, barring swarm launchers because they are broken pos.

A few is subjective/situational in a quantitative sense. =) I hope this post cleared up the "few sniper rounds" for anyone thinking it was incorrect.

Then it should only take 4 or 5 to take down a non militia suit, as it stands right now the militia one has just around 100 less hp than the advanced or proto suits can't remember which one. Which isn't much for a proto sniper to get through.

And do not fear because in the next build militia heavy suits will only have 600 armor. =)

As for proto's and heavies I think they deserve to be able to take 4-5 sniper shots, you have to dump more SP into just drop suit command and amarr heavy suit than you do to get gallente scout suit to IV, sniper operation to V and sniper proficiency to IV combined, and thats just to wear the damn suit.

I think I'll bump this one back to the front page.

Bumping for all the new players that will be joining us soon. So that if they're interested in where the game universe came from and is going they can find a decent version here instead of having to search.

smack back to the top of the threads u go!!!

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So, there have been a lot of people in this thread stating that we has mercs shouldn't really give a crap about the political climate/history/etc of New Eden. The thing is, we should. We can directly impact and influence the future of New Eden by our actions. We can scheme, plan, and cause our own wars that end up benefiting us in the end. Who wouldn't want that?

Lets send this to the top for the newer beta members to enjoy !!!

whats the starmap all about plz ??

A lot of bumps equals a sticky.

Gëê isn't an "equals" sign. it's an "approximately equals" sign, which I think may be more appropriate here.

Keeping a thread like this alive makes it close enough to a sticky, without actually being one.

Hello new to this...I understand the need to attain skills, and the vehicles say I have to build vehicle command like you stated but there is no vehicle command in my skills list. Tried to purchase skills but not sure how to get them on my character sheet skills please help.

Thanks,

AssassinOne

Thank you for the post. I now know what to do

what an excellent guide, thanks, vote for sticky +1

Sorry I haven't finished an updated version of this! I promise it will be here next build! With a good amount of well known player input!

EDIT: never thought I would see it stickied, thanks ccp!

EDIT: I have a updated version of this ready, it should fall easily within the character limits of the original posts. It includes some grammatical errors being fixed as well as fixed missing and updated features information. I decided to leave out guides on specific things such assault rifles, mass drivers, specific ways to fit things, use things. Mainly because they are either obvious to the average FPSer or need to be figured out on your own.

So GM Unicorn or anyone else that can edit the original post how can I get the updated version directly to you?

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So, there have been a lot of people in this thread stating that we has mercs shouldn't really give a crap about the political climate/history/etc of New Eden. The thing is, we should. We can directly impact and influence the future of New Eden by our actions. We can scheme, plan, and cause our own wars that end up benefiting us in the end. Who wouldn't want that?

Great Thread, really helpful

Sticked! If you add more content we can convert it in a nicer and clean post, with the appropriate credits.
You guys are awesome!

Ok, here's my question: On the Assault Rifles, some of them say they can fire auto OR semi-auto, depending on the ammo loaded.... Is there any assault rifle that actually does that? I couldnt change the type of fire in battle. Or are they seperate rifles, like breach vs. tactical or something...........

The semi-auto assault rifles seem to suck....

*EDIT*
also, when aiming the shotgun, does that effect the attributes of the shot, or just help you in aiming as a sight aid??

Guide is good but it needs to lead with the primal reason that newbs will be searching for:
Tips to get SP when your weapons/dropsuit skills are day one.

Also needs to add that a basic LAV is an SP foutain in even a newbs hands if they play whack a dropsuit with it.

I dont think we'll see BPOs at all other than militia gear.

CCP hate the fact that BPOs are in EVE as its a fixed point in the economy. Hence why they don't reseed them when accounts with them go inactive or they get blown up in transport etc.

They are usually associated with ships that use missiles lotsa shields and a very annoying battlecruiser class ship.

You are just randomly assigned a faction in the beta as of now. It is intentional.

Can someone please clarify on what the point of buying more expensive guns is. Because the differences between a militia assault rifle and a prototype assault rifle are EXTREMELY minimal. The biggest difference is that one costs 400 isk and the other cost 70,000 isk...

Sorry if I'm just being stupid, but I need to know.

This is my first day on Dust and I'm completely frightened out of my mind.

Heya, Alli! Don't worry about the rough start-- even those of us who knew what to expect have had a lot of getting-used-to to do. CCP is good at depth; they're not fantastic at clarity. You're in the right place to find your feet, at least.

The two bars you are seeing are shield (self-repairs, repels explosives well, wilts under lasers) and armor (does not ordinarily self-repair, repels lasers well, wilts under explosives). They look like they're equal, but what you're seeing is a total value of whatever they've got, and whatever fraction of it remains.

It's the second bar, armor, that I believe you're repairing, assuming you've got the right module-- a service your teammates, especially heavies, will bless you for. In fact, if you see a fat guy waddle by with a huge gun, you might consider following along: nobody has more armor, or needs it more.

On that glitch: you might have run out of syringes, or ... well, yeah, there's also a bug that causes things to fail to appear. Try using them anyway; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't, at least lately, you probably lost connection to the server.

Welcome to Dust. Be patient, die a lot, learn well.

I assumed that all militia items were permanent... but I just used one of those militia supply ammo drop boxes and now I don't have it anymore... :(

Hello New to the eve universe and dust itself, i think i got over the skill sheet but seem to run into a snag but this may be more personal if anything but like to see what others think.

Does it really matter on what class specialization i choose at the start? Or should i choose something will suit me? I know for a fact at some point i'll turn that character into the ultimate war guy that is able to use everything, but i read somewhere that will take 4 years to do so.

Anywho should i choose something that will fit me and my play style in the long run or does that not matter? If i opt to go for my play style thats where i hit my 'snag' I'm the kind of person who like to fill a variety of roles or play the ones the team needs at that moment and at this point it would literally be everything, anti-armor(tanks and LAV's run rampant no one takes them out) Medic, i don't think anyone knows how to use logi's well enough nor is there really any information about them and role in a squad/team i recently just figured out that the repair tool also affects people around you not just the tank(the more you know) Scout by this i mean the tf2 iteration of the word that fast guy who gets behind enemy lines and is able to cause some minor chaos.

I could go on and on but point is i like to be the guy who can fill a variety of roles for few reasons
1) It rocks
2) Gives more to do rather than just run and gun
3) No one likes to play medic or throw their nanohives(ammo) for anyone other than themselves
4) No one is willing to adapt to the situation(From what i seen anyways)

In this case and point what would be a good option to opt for and stick with?

Hello there. I'm fairly new to Dust as well, but I have been perusing the forums for tips and general gameplay approaches for some time.

The best advise I have found was in reference to bad heavy's. Since you are going to be relegated to a fairly small portion of the skill tree for an unknown length of time, you should buy Militia versions of whatever other styles you were going for. As it has been pointed out, the Militia variants are dirt cheap, so you aren't investing much. Using this format, just determine the needs of your squad on the battlefield, and hit up a friendly Supply Depot to change fittings. If the reds rolled out a Tank, fit up a Militia Heavy with a militia Forge Gun, and some shield extenders. While you may not do enough damage by yourself in a militia fit, you may be able to create an opening for someone with AV nades.

To really work out your best play-style, you should browse the Training Grounds forum pages. Most of it is logis helping logis, but there are a lot of valid fitting discussions and play-styles for people that want to multi-spec.

As a direct response to #3, it seems that you've had the misfortune to not squad up with a proper logi player. While most assault guys tend to be stingy with their nano-hives (understandable, they spec to deal damage), a good log will either find a defensible position to lay out a hive, or will lay one out in a well traveled path. This is both a product of altruism, and because a logi knows they will get a Team Resupply bonus for every team-mate that steps on the hive.

I hope you find some of this helpful.

I noticed certain items are consumed as well as weapons and dropsuits. Why are weapons and dropsuits made to be consumed and will I always need to restock them?

Don't forget that the starter fittings are completely free, and never run out of any item that is pre-loaded into them. You can copy the Starter fits, and replace any module/weapon and so long as you have a fund of that specific module/weapon to replace with upon each death; you can load drastically reduced fits, as the rest of the fitting never runs out.

Once you have replaced/removed one of the original starter fitting modules, you cannot go back to the endless module. Everything in that slot will have to be purchased going forward. The only way to get that back would be to re-copy the original fit and tweak as necessary.

This is helpful to remember if you are getting stomped and don't want to waste ISK on higher cost fits.

This cleared up a lot of things for me. But I'm a noob and I understand that my gun will probably suck since I don't have any skills. how do I get through the first couple of battles with this crappy gun so I can get more skills? It takes FOREVER for me to kill someone.

I think the above is a bit of a mis-conception as i have found that if i remove an item i added (rather than replace) it retores the slot to its original unlimited item.

I hope you can understand that sentence...

Hrmrmr guys I tried this game last weekend, I walked thru all the tutorials and I think I understand the basics of fittings etc. What I am really struggling with is how exactly to play this game and have fun doing it.

Started as an engineer/medic with SMG/medtool/repair tool

First game queued for TDM ran around the map tried some grenades and ended up getting spawn camped, like where i spawned and died 1 second later... I was looking around for a way to spawn somewhere else? The minimap implied that I could spawn somewhere else but I never figured it out and so just stopped spawning. Good times

Queued up for another game this time my team was better as I was able to spawn successfully and move around. Syringes are popping up all over the place and I finally figure out to hold R2 and jiggle my stick to select medtool (any shortcut to this?) HOWEVER for the life of me I cannot figure out how to use it I must have tilted the crap out of one guy standing directly above him with my medtool out unable to use it WTF.

I did manage to get an ASSIST +25 this game so COOL but I notice my SMG doesn't work on anything outside like 10m even if I aim down sights I just spin my clip and nothing hits. HRMRMRMR so I finally sneak up on a guy, he's sniping up high I get right behind him and hold R1 like a boss with my 64 shot SMG. I must have scared the crap out of him but then he turned around and killed me after absorbing my clip and I felt like a chump.

I have been playing FPS since the first Doom and had 400+ hours of MAG so I feel qualified to say this game is probably just not good however I wanted to see if I could get any guidance or tips from the community. I am willing to give it another try however if the gameplay is just going to suck I won't ever bother. Basic understanding of how to use my controls and what fittings I can use to like hurt people would be great.

If your new to the game, Dont waste your time or money, CCP is determined to take as much of it as possible and screw the game up for everyone except pros.

Ps. they get kicked out way too early out of they academy. its still pub stomps. maybe give them trial runs on building dropsuits and using skill points or THE MICROPHONES. before they actually use their own skill point and items. i know its there already, but its a little too brief i think.