its useless...... this comunity is to biased in medium/light suits to actually ever implement what it truly means HEAVY in general...

whenever i talk to anybody about swarms being too powerful for being an light weapon against heavy vehicules in general is just get mocked at that i want invinceble tanks....

or when i complain about why does 80 FREAKING GJ railguns has no splash damage compared to light weponry like PLC or why a gal centinel is able to survie a direct shot of particle cannons they say to me that is perfectly fine

or when i use a forgegun i know that compared to plasma cannons (that for some reason has better splash and damage per shot DESPITE being an light weapon)

And if you still think that the people in this game doesnt hate heavy assets(sentinels/HAVs) let me remind you that:

1: HMG has no viable operation (it used to have one)

2: Useless standart forgeguns (no splash/less damage/more charge time) and dont tell me the ``use the assult one-¦-¦ there just have to be some advantages that the assult variant doenst have otherwise just remove the normal one.

3: tanks in general has no bonuses whatsoever and even so, they incresed the sp requirements for them (thanks for the 1M sp steal!)

4: I dont have to say much about how crap the large missile turrets are compared to what they used to be (and its funny that with the whole; ``we will make turrets a lot more powerful at the expense of an ammo sistem-¦-¦, we have even worse large missile lauchers than ever before)


but meh whatever the heck this just my opinion tho

its amazing everywhere people keep saying the same things (and i agree with it) over and over 'swarm OP, tank too squishy, useless, but why CCP doesnt make a REAL balance on this ? the game is out for 2 years now right ? why ??

should be obvious by now that players WANT better tank !

We need hardeners or we would all be dead. If they dont buff or do something to tanks im not running them for a while.

how about you stop trying to be Zod and actually rely on your allies to cover you, AS INTENDED.

im using tank in almost every game (almost) and in 9/10 your allies DONT CARE about you
(i cant blame them, we are useless ...)

i mean why would they "help, save us" ?

1 : we cant cap
2 : if another tank show up, they can take care by themselve
3 : we dont offer any buff too infantry
4 : and if we try to be a wall to protect them from incoming fire, be sure a swarm will be there to tke care of us (back to 2)

to be back to your point "rely on your allies", i will add

INFANTRY SHOULD TRY TO TAKE CARE OF US !!

(how many time, i was being shot, with a infantry next to me, just running away doing hes life, and me losing my tank just because he dont wanted (cared) helping a bit !


PS: did you know that the logistic thingy, can rep us (the tank) ? did you knew about that ?
well not many know about that, because logi never came to our aid ...

So, swarm's should get a nerf because of EVERYONE'S incompetence?

nice to see that you said "everyone", because yes EVERYONE is against the actual SWARM mechanics




im a solo player so ...

was editing when you answeared,


and stating that a FREE TO PLAY GAME !!!!!!

have to be played ABSOLUTLY with a corporation a things ITS WRONG !!!!

BF dont need to play with friend or any "pre made squad"
same as planete side 2, just stating "your alone, that your problem" is just wrong

in this world there are many different people, and same with play style

if this game really tend to go that way, well i cant see any futur for it

Rattati has given no word on this beyond a trello card over 8 months ago, so if anyone can get him talking about it, do so.

Weapons like Plasma Cannons and Forges are real vehicals killers.

Haaahahaha! Oh that's funny... I think we all needed that.

But really, no. Right now FGs are awful except against dumb shield tankers and maybe a mediocre pilot. PLCs only threaten bad shield tankers unless you're a Kubo-level PLC user. Armour HAVs are high invincible against almost anything; Shield HAVs are resilient but killable with fairly heavy investment; DSs are WP pi+¦atas for Swarms and FGs, but rarely killed if the pilot knows to flee immediately upon any kind of damage.

Swarms are the most accessible, most applicable weapons due to most effective damage application (fire and forget) and similar (generally superior) DPS to the other AV weapons. Speaking from an ADS point of view, Swarms are uncounterable unless they launch at you while you're 40m away and looking directly at them - you're forced to flee before you can localise and engage them.

My CEO has popped plenty of armor tank's (proto tank's require more than 1 person generally, which mean's team work which is why I think swarm's are fine), dropships aren't tanky by no mean's, if they were, they'd be like armor tank's and simply stay in 1 spot tanking swarm shots and then pull back when their at half armor, and more than likely after killing 3 of our boys or more.

Popped armour HAVs with Swarms? Kinda emphasises the point doesn't it?

And DSs aren't tanky enough to do anything but flee once they get hit by Swarms - the point isn't that they can't tank damage, but that they have no other response. Flee or die; at least with a Forge/PLC you can evade and maybe fight back, but there's no evading Swarms, it's just take a bunch of damage while futilely trying to find them then drop dead - unless you fled immediately.

Edit: point being that it's not so much about the damage but about the application. HAVs aren't in a terrible place (barring the obvious aHAVs being nearly immune most of the time, which most people recognise) and FGs could use some help, but Swarms are the kick-in-the-teeth to balancing because they have near perfect application when used with half a brain.

But HAV's can still survive, more than 1 tank can be employed on the battlefield, maybe you just don't want to emply any real tactic's, like in battlefield 3-4, you have to be tactful in your placement, you have to watch out against JAVELIN's and AT mine's, (yes I know you have countermeasures in BF but without their use you'd still have to be tactful). I'm not like most people who'd tell you to "git good" that's pure ignorance, instead, explore possibilities, tactic's, converse with infantry, get them to help you, it's obvious you can't go solo if your being beaten so... "easily", then do what it take's to survive, squad up with the people.

The problem with swarms has always been that they are expected to be maneuverable enough to catch an ADS while strong enough to kill HAVs. This leads to an OP weapon, especially when its fire and forget. The solution is to split the swarm into anti-air and anri-armor, with one good at killing HAVs while being to slow/unmaneuverable to catch an ADS, while the other is faster and turns tighter but is weaker to compensate for ADS having less health.

Rattati has given no word on this beyond a trello card over 8 months ago, so if anyone can get him talking about it, do so.

you got to be a bad tanker to lose one to a single AVer. Use your environment and modules and you would never get taken out by a single infantryman. you don't see dropsuits sitting out in the open expecting to tank all damage thrown at them, why should vehicles expect that?

HAV DPS against dropsuits vs AV DPS against HAV EHP. Tanks are still OP. Get in a armor tank with a blaster and stop complaining like all the real/good tankers.

Trust me i am NOT a bad tanker. Ive taken on 3 gunlogis wlth 1 of them being blaster and the other two rail. In fact ill prove it, lets 1V1 Qsync and youll see just how bad of a tanker i am. Im stating one ******* officer swarm can rip a new hole in my tank. Its really bad in PC. There is always 2 aldins and officer swarms. Its terrible. In pubs every person commando in the game has swarms. And swarms are op. Let me guess youve never tanked in a proto tank. Get Good and know your facts before you come back. Then you can make an adequate augment.

i love when people say "ask infantry to help you"

just a sec ago finished a game with a proto gunnlogi

it took to the guy 5 sec arround to kill me with a swarm (had hardener extender and booster)

oh yes
i was behind thousand of teammate, with 2 gunner, (so not alone at all !!)

lets say i requested help, (i did) and my teamate didnt ignore me (they did ignore me ..., well not the first time)

how can you defend, help a tank that can be destroyed in 5 sec ?

and when in trouble try to flee with the WONDERFULL control ...


im just getting tired, of people who doesnt admit that there is something wrong with the SWARM mechanic

What is the point here?

CCP likes AV. They love having toons losing expensive gear. And to only pick up 50WP if they kill the guy doing the deed. If the ganker spends the minimal amount the lulz is heightened. CCP loves that stuff. New Eden is based on it.

Ganking, it's a thang, a New Eden thang.

Three Lai Dai AV (that hit) will pop nearly everything. A Wyrm Swarmer will do a fast job so run or die, the Aldin FG can two shots many (with a two second charge), Jihad Jeeps, packed RE stuck to the vehicle. All these variations only mean one thing. This much too logical discussion is just verbal wack-a-mole.

Regardless of what you come up with, CCP will trump it with PRO, Proficiency III or Officer weapons thus negating all your plans.

All the suggestions in the world will not circumvent CCP's plan.

Their plan is to burn vehicles, leaving drivers raging, AV crowing and ISK drained.


Welcome to New Eden.

Read my signature.

Okay, so i'll just state fact's and honest to god, apologize, I did NOT know you were rocking shield tank (though you may have mentioned it before), are you aware that swarms deal inverted profile damage of +40/S and -40/A? That's why shield tank's can be hurt by swarm's so easily, it just needs to be reverted back to being armor again, and then shield tanks can take swarm rounds, again I really apologize for thinking you were an armor tank. (Also duely note, that any nerf to SL's mean's greater inefficiency against armor tanked vehicles, thus my reluctance for a nerf and defense of SL, of course i'll still defend it, for as long as the armor tanks can survive 3 guys with AV). Also sorry for double post.