"I spent 1.2 million ISK, so I shouldn't die, ever."

Honestly just make tanks the same price as dropsuits and make them soloable. The imbalance of power being validated by ISK cost is getting old and it doesn't benefit either side.

So you're saying that spending 1.2 million ISK justifies taking 2 players away from the enemy team and they're still not allowed to kill you?

Is Spkr your main?

*Invincible, and hey I die in a caldari ck.0 assault, why should a tank get to be so much more survivable? That's like impossible in this game...

you got to be a bad tanker to lose one to a single AVer. Use your environment and modules and you would never get taken out by a single infantryman. you don't see dropsuits sitting out in the open expecting to tank all damage thrown at them, why should vehicles expect that?

HAV DPS against dropsuits vs AV DPS against HAV EHP. Tanks are still OP. Get in a armor tank with a blaster and stop complaining like all the real/good tankers.

Swarms aren't OP... They're broken.

People who don't use vehicles will never understand this, because they don't see the unfair way the game works for vehicles. If vehicles didn't render until they were within 40 meters or so, sure swarms wouldn't have that much of an advantage (apart from only having to aim vaguely in the direction they want to fire.)

Also when a vehicle shoots at you, you know it's shooting at you, half the time swarms don't even make a noise until right before they hit you... You might see it coming, but you can bet your arse that's the second lot as you'll feel the first plow into your hull long before it gets even mildly close.


Every other weapon in the game works within reason, but swarms are broken crap that ruin it for anyone who wants to use vehicles... Just replace the glitchy shite with something that fires like a normal bloody weapon, so that when the person firing it isn't rendering, at least there's a chance it will miss...

Or fix the blasted rendering issues (unlikely.)

And it's absolutely horrible that swarm's can't GO AROUND BUILDINGS, OBJECT'S OR MOUNTAINS, yes completely broken, no user error, even though when you fire it, it's like it's absolutely broken, with no error in the user, just plenty of error in the missiles themselves, completely broken... (If your daft, i'm making sarcastic remark's while exposing the "no user error" at the same time, it's in the big bold letter's, your welcome).

This still here?

Oh well, how about limiting their total turns to 270 degrees? Not only do they follow you back around a corner they will go way past 360 degrees to do it.

As somebody who foolishly invested millions into AV weapons, I am sick of having to lock-on.

Lemme fire the damn thing when I want, at the target I want. Too many times have my attempts at an HAV suppository been thwarted due to annoying lock-on and fire mechanics. Yes. What I want requires swarms to be re-imagined. [Edit for clarification: What I want is more akin to a Caldary RPG launcher with multiple rockets fired at once, with damage balanced for AV and whatever fool aims it at infantry.]

Better for me.
Better for pilots.
Better for fun.

CCP... make like Nike and "Just Do It."

My 1000 Officers Forge Guns are laughing at you all

Vehicle users shouldn't complain about any AV users. Ohh your poooooor tanks and dropships. Cry me a river. Most tankers just come out of the red line with their dual armor gardeners kill a bunch of ground troops then return to the red line. As a ground troop I can 1v1 a tank of and only if I sneak up on them. The range on swarms is not as wonderful as it used to be and getting a lock on with swarms is not as simple as you might thing. Tanks are extremely strong. If you get got by a ground troop or troops, learn how to pilot vehicles better. Cry me a river, buddy.

I have seen a single tank taking fire of 2 swarms and my plasma cannon (yeah, yeah, the plasma is for shields) and keep going as if nothing had happened. Of course, he had hardeners on (at least one).

Now, swarms are a pain in the ass for shield tanks, because once the shield is out there is not enough armor to take one hit. And armor tanks, without hardeners do get wracked

My point, with hardeners everything is a lot easier, but without them...

I get now when people complain about swarms, but instead of nerfing them, there should be an increase of general HP to tanks while reducing hardeners effectiveness or not allowing to fit more than one. Maybe both. This way a tank could take more damage, requiring more players attacking it with AV weapons. And with the modifications to the hardeners, this module could become a piece to use more tactically (engaging multiple AV players, another tank) instead of using them to get in and out just like that (godmode, I recall some saying that once).

Im pretty sure it sounds crazy, but with a buff in HP, tanks could stop relying so much in the hardeners, but for this this module needs to be changed in the way it works (as I was saying). So, an armor tank could be around 6000 armor hp. and with 2500 shield hp, while the shield tanks could be around 7000 shield hp and 1500 armor hp. And the hardeners, besides allowing just one module, could be changed to a 30%.

Crazy, yes, but I think it could be really interesting.

No it doesn't. It tells me that an armour tank with hardeners is God mode. Tanks should not be able to roll around at all times barely taking damage, if they did it would be stupid. This also tells you absolutely nothing about swarms, if your tank has any form of Hp you can drive away from a swarmer fairly easily. I will say though that tank HP shouldn't have been lowered like it was, it needs an increase and hardeners need a nerf.

The only real problem in my eyes.

Why my proposal is the smart fire/dumb fire mechanic for swarms.

- Press and release to instantly fire, scattering swarms in a roughly straight line

- Hold to smart fire. Same as current, but with a longer lock time.


Skilled players could aim the swarms effectively but with a chance to miss. Or alternatively, hold the lock and get the near 100% chance to hit.