But it is a module everyone would use, people use the modules that benefit them the most, and it's a module that would benefit the long range weapons far more than it would the AR. Even if a complex only added 20%, that's only 8 meters optimal for an AR, but an ARR gets an extra 14 out of the same module. And suddenly the optimals are now even more extreme from 40 vs 72 to 48 vs 86. And it gets even worse vs the RR and ScR

It would be like back in beta where the sharpshooter skills actually gave extra range. It got taken out because everyone had it and if you didn't, you were almost guaranteed a dead man and CCP didn't like that.

Clean and simple, it needs something to boost its overall DPS, having a DPS advantage of 6.6% does not give it enough of an advantage over a weapon that can hit out for its full damage at nearly double the range while the AR flounders.

a gallente weapon should always perform best on a gallente suit.

if range is a problem then gallente need a way to get into range better.

my suggestion isnt to do anything to the AR but to look at the gallente suits in general and how they fail at providing a viable platform for their own weapons.

adjust gallente mobility:

increase sprint speed and decrease stamina regen.

end result: gallente end up able to close distance rapidly, but cannot sprint frquently. this means they can get into or out of a fight quickly, but they cant run around the map forever like minmatar can, nor run as long as amarr can without stopping for stamina regen.


why do this? it actually is a racial characteristic of gallente in eve that they balance both speed and armor. we've covered this in the past when we tried getting kincats moved to high slots. this would be an alternative

there will never be range increasing modules

there will never be range increasing modules

>tfw you will never have a range extension module
>you will never have lower range weapons be effective in a slightly larger range
>you will never use short range weapons to pwn players from med range

Another pointless thread. Go ahead and use your pathetic CR and RR. I started using the Duvolle Assault rifle and omg It melts dropsuits instantly. The CR and RR don't stand a chance = I must be really good since I went 25 and 3 = >:) Then got hate mail saying its OP and I'm HTFU butt hurt fool.

But it is a module everyone would use, people use the modules that benefit them the most, and it's a module that would benefit the long range weapons far more than it would the AR. Even if a complex only added 20%, that's only 8 meters optimal for an AR, but an ARR gets an extra 14 out of the same module. And suddenly the optimals are now even more extreme from 40 vs 72 to 48 vs 86. And it gets even worse vs the RR and ScR

It would be like back in beta where the sharpshooter skills actually gave extra range. It got taken out because everyone had it and if you didn't, you were almost guaranteed a dead man and CCP didn't like that.

Clean and simple, it needs something to boost its overall DPS, having a DPS advantage of 6.6% does not give it enough of an advantage over a weapon that can hit out for its full damage at nearly double the range while the AR flounders.

>tfw you will never have a range extension module
>you will never have lower range weapons be effective in a slightly larger range
>you will never use short range weapons to pwn players from med range

You have to rewind to the days where we had a range adjusting skill and how bad that skewed players over.

I said a module, not sharpshooter.

If you're looking at wpns as far as proto lvl goes, then here's my thoughts:

tons of wpns are a bit in an awkward loop of their damage priority lvls. So yeah a ScR has a huge damage output and probably is the strongest wpn by far. A railgun is identical in damage, a but more actually, but doesn't have any drawbacks at any range; will perform the same whether it's up close, mid or far and still maintains the superior range over an assault.

If you want to throw the combat rifle then the combat rifle has the advantage of speed, better targeting snipe and stability over a duvolle.

If you wanted to get into a fire fight at mid range the railgun and combat rifle would probably beat tons of he assault rifles; a tactical or creo might give you a chance but if everything else is equal even at a mid range those two should do you in.

When we argue about the usefulness of assault rifles, not that they're bad, I use them, but it's not like they have the field role they once had. It's like you have a better chance using the ion bolt pistol as a shotgun vs a shotgun and knowing if it was a short quarter combat scenario the bolt pistol might be the overall better wpn.

The best way to approach the overall point is that weapon assortment with update after update has kind of caused some weapons to have no real honest role in the game. A lot of users who rely on assault rifles do so because it's the easier weapon to use initially; combat rifles and rail rifles take skills but that's a skill point issue. Likewise game dynamics reduce the roll where it's no longer the simple HMG, shotgun, mass drivers, assault rifles and lasers in play. You get a lot more weapon variety and players who can now afford the skill points to make combos that were really usable before; can treat your assault as a scout or make that ion pistol a better shotgun. If you get in a shooting match at the optimal range of he duvolle, you might still easily end up loosing a shooting match against an RS 90 or a rail rifle with all things equal. Heaven forbid we include ScR's in this.

That's really my take on it, that the assault rifles aren't useless but really lack the all-purpose usage that you can manage out of the combat and rail rifles.

Buff GalAssault Bonus!

No! Buff CalAssault Bonus!

Is it not possible that both could use slightly better bonuses? Their current bonuses aren't bad (especially GalAssault), but they certainly aren't on-par with those of MN and AM Assault. Why not swap out the GA and CA bonuses if/when we swap Logi/Assault speed? This would help to keep the slayers slaying in slayer suits (we don't want them migrating to Logi frames or back to Scout).

Thinking something like:
GalAssault: -5% hipfire dispersion (plasma tech) +2% rate of fire (plasma tech)
CalAssault: +5% reload speed (rail tech) -5% kick when aiming down sights (rail tech)

No! Buff CalAssault Bonus!