It stands a buff, what do you want. I was playing around with it just yesterday, it feels right, I like the dispersion, kick is reasonable. ADS is fine to finish off weakened fleeing targets.

Smart ideas?

I can tell you exactly what I complained about back then compared to now.

But that solution may not be the one we need now with the direction DUST went.

Back then when the rifle was close to balance the only issue with it was that the Combat Rifle and Rail rifle that were just recently introduced were incredibly OP. Like, it wasn't even funny how OP those weapons were when they came out.

Due to this absolute rifle wreckage CCP decided to increase ttk of all rifles by reducing damage by 10% (even the ones that were barely struggling as it to survive like the vanilla AR and every other AR besides the TAR) this caused the setting of the stage we have now with balance between the rifles which caused Rattati to come in and say, "these Gallente Rifles aren't quite there" when he came into control.


Is increasing damage the step we need now however? I dont feel like it with the vanilla AR. I think the vanilla rifle is fine as is. The TTK is healthy (My TTK is lower because of warbarge and Damage mods) and should be left alone if we are going to avoid going back to the low ttk we had a while back.

The problem I feel lies with the other rifles. Take the basic Assault Rail Rifles, they are pretty much perfect right now. Could use some tuning and bug fixes but next to vanilla AR its about the most non-OP weapon we have. After that you've got The assault rail rifle that performs way too well in the vanilla ARs space. Both combat rifle performs to well in its place, and the scrambler already needs looking at as we now.

The issue is other weapons being a bit to good in the range the AR is supposed to be good at. What's the point of sacrificing some range if a weapon that has considerably more range and can perform just as well?

The combat rifles issue is fine for the most part, its supposed to do what it does but it can get too big of a clip with the assault bonus that allows it to step in AR territory easily being more forgiving with missing shots.
The Combat Rifle is a weapon of Hit and run. Deal as much damage as you can, then run like hell. Which is was introduced as such. The bonus allows you to become too much of a standing brawler (AR territory) and less of an ambusher (supposed to be combat rifle)

I'd like to say more but I've got to get ready for a date. If the threw still active ill post the rest of my long thoughts on the rifles

If we were going the direction of just buffing the Rifle then RoF is where you'd do it.


The vanilla weapon does not need a damage buff or range buff. It would be able to champion over the other assault variants in its preferred area with a RoF, I just didn't want to go the direction of quicker TTK.

A RoF bonus also might make the Gallente Assault Bonus somewhat more useful but I doubt it.

Also, to whoever the person that said Gallente and Caldari bonuses were good.... just lol dude.

Is it not possible that both could use slightly better bonuses? Their current bonuses aren't bad (especially GalAssault), but they certainly aren't on-par with those of MN and AM Assault. Why not swap out the GA and CA bonuses if/when we swap Logi/Assault speed? This would help to keep the slayers slaying in slayer suits (we don't want them migrating to Logi frames or back to Scout).

Thinking something like:
GalAssault: -5% hipfire dispersion (plasma tech) +2% rate of fire (plasma tech)
CalAssault: +5% reload speed (rail tech) -5% kick when aiming down sights (rail tech)

words

The gallente assault bonus is a redundant bonus, it provides very little benefit.

Now, now. That seems a silly thing to say ...

Is it a fact or an opinion that Rattati "over-did" the RR nerf?
Is it a fact or an opinion that the GA Assault bonus is "fine"?
Is it a fact or an opinion that the CA Assault should have 2 weapon bonuses and other Assaults 1?

As someone who isn't a full time Gallente your opinion that its powerful holds little weight.

I just find it extremely hypocritical that you go about saying the Caldari Assault bonus needs a buff while the Gallente one is A-ok because you played with the suit and rifles a few times and calculated your numbers (that's sounds like old CCP tactics) Especially when the Caldari and Gallente assault bonus are damn near in the same boat of lacklusterness.

Meaningful and powerful? Don't make me laugh. The only 2 weapons it actually helps is the Tac AR and Ion pistol and even then it doesnt help much. The majority of the guns that get the bonus to them already have low kick and dispersion is low with sharpshooter 5.

The downside to these weapons is not kick or dispersion, therefore it should be changed.

I do see the potential problem with Gal Commando overlap, but I don't see a problem with RoF potency. I might be being naive, so correct my thinking where it is wrong ...

It makes sense to me that GalAssault with an AR fighting at short range should be at an advantage similar to that of a CalAssault + RR fighting at long range. At the moment, our close-quarter GalAssault + AR is arguably no better in CQC than a GalAssault + ARR or CR or ACR. A +RoF bonus fixes that, and gives our the Assault CQC specialist an actual edge in his area of expertise.

1. Shouldn't the GalAssault + AR stand out as the go-to CQC slayer loadout, much like the CalAssault + RR and AM Assault + ScR stand out as the go-to ranged slayer loadouts? If yes, then it needs to be better in close quarter combat than available alternatives; DPS gets us there. If not DPS, then what?

2. +10% RoF = +10% RoF. The Shotgun has an extremely low rate of fire; its old proficiency bonus was +3% per level. Believe it or not, the difference between Proficiency(0) and Proficiency(3) could absolutely be felt.

(Spitballing)

Could nerf short-range performance of all non-plasma weaponry to help the GalAssault + AR stand out in his specialty.

This is pretty much what I want.

I dont want to increase TTK of any weapon anymore than what we have now but if people were going to go that route RoF is the most prefered, least prefered choice.

I'll just respond to the bad parts :-)

1. Nonsense. AScR DPS was altered and weapon balance improved as a result.

2. I've read your thoughts/proposals on the shotgun. I think it a bad idea to try to turn the shotgun into a bad rifle. I say this as a career shotgunner. If the shotgun actually hits hard down range, it'll be OP. If it doesn't hit hard at any range, it won't be worth running.

3. A scale out-of-equilibrium makes for a better analogy here; we can add to one side or subtract from the other to get where we want to be. We have a supposed CQC weapon/unit pair which are no better than their competition in within their specialty. That's a problem. To fix the problem, we can make weapon/unit pair better, or we can make the competition worse.

4. Fine Rifles, eh? My all-time least favorite concept! Whooping butt from the hip at 5m, then smashing faces down range at 85m.

I proposed this as a spitball alternative to changing GalAssault bonus and/or tuning the AR, because I can't think of any other tenable solutions to the specialization problem. "Spitballing" doesn't qualify as "support" ... we're brainstorming here.

Just to clear things up in Mina's post. No one here is saying the Gallente Assault is bad. It's a good suit, the issue that's being discussed is just the Rifle and the suit's bonus.

The Gallente Assault is a damn good suit by itself.

Damn, you are getting too bent out about this.

I may be vivid in my emotions but contrary to what my post may sound like a loss of respect certainly doesn't happen just because someone's thought process is in a different area than my own.

What am I in support of, again?

At Short Range:
Short Range Rifles > Med/Long Range Rifles

At Med/Long Range:
Med/Long Range Rifles > Short Range Rifles

^ Now this is disgustingly bad, harmful and wrong ... because why?

So ...

* AR-514 was good and right; fixing it was bad and wrong?
* MN Assaults are good and right; fixing them would be bad and wrong?

But I wanted to be the one to make you lose your cool!

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Read it. Think about it. Grow up.

There's no logical fallacy. Your words:

. If the vast majority of the players is running around in FoTM gear, what happens when we nerf FoTM gear?