a gallente weapon should always perform best on a gallente suit.

if range is a problem then gallente need a way to get into range better.

my suggestion isnt to do anything to the AR but to look at the gallente suits in general and how they fail at providing a viable platform for their own weapons.

adjust gallente mobility:

increase sprint speed and decrease stamina regen.

end result: gallente end up able to close distance rapidly, but cannot sprint frquently. this means they can get into or out of a fight quickly, but they cant run around the map forever like minmatar can, nor run as long as amarr can without stopping for stamina regen.


why do this? it actually is a racial characteristic of gallente in eve that they balance both speed and armor. we've covered this in the past when we tried getting kincats moved to high slots. this would be an alternative

It's been said before and it may all just be personal perceptions but I come down on the side of the people who feel that the 'problem' isn't necessarily with the AR itself. More with the fact that they're out performed across all tiers by the assault variants of the other rifles.

Maybe it's not the case, maybe it's just because of the armour meta, but it certainly feels that way when playing the game. I'm a lower level player and this seems particularly true of the militia AScR vs the other militia variants which is why I don't feel it's entirely down to the AR weakness against armour vs the amount of armour stacking on the field.

It's a difficult one because if the AR is supposed to be 'king' of CQC then it does probably need a buff vs the other assault variants however it isn't going to need much of a buff in any of range,rof, dps etc to begin competing with, and outperforming, the HMG, which isn't right, and will inevitably lead to another round of the buff, buff, nerf merry-go-round.

Either the other Assault variants and the HMG need to be slightly adjusted around the current state of the AR or the AR and HMG need to be adjusted around the other Assault variants but it's a very difficult one to call because of the amount of variables involved.

I don't see how the gal assault fails to do this. Maybe sqd up and I'll show you how it's done. Try using 2 feroscales one reactive and two reps. You will be mobile enough to fire and get closer through the fight by otr repping them and moving from cover to cover to get in range and keep dps on then so they can't keep up with your reps. Play like a gallente and it will perform like you wouldn't believe.

Reminds me of how MWDs go hand in hand with gallente blaster dps fits in EVE.

Right right. S'why I feel that having range-enhancing modules might be the better way to go. Shake up the meta a little bit while not actually doing anything to the rifle itself.

adjust gallente mobility:

increase sprint speed and decrease stamina regen.

end result: gallente end up able to close distance rapidly, but cannot sprint frquently. this means they can get into or out of a fight quickly, but they cant run around the map forever like minmatar can, nor run as long as amarr can without stopping for stamina regen.

Damage is fine, is the range. IMO some assume is ok because is intended range is for mid range to short but what ppl fail to realize is that not evryone has the sp to skill into another mid to long range weapon to counter say rail rifles or lasers. That's where the disparity happens. Me personally am ok with it because I have weapons to counter rails and lasers. But I have the sp to do it. And how a lot of maps are set up they favor those weapons. so it becomes a who has the best mid to long range weapon.

that wouldnt do anything except make the problem potentially worse. imagine range enhancing mods on rail rifles...

a gallente weapon should always perform best on a gallente suit.

if range is a problem then gallente need a way to get into range better.

my suggestion isnt to do anything to the AR but to look at the gallente suits in general and how they fail at providing a viable platform for their own weapons.

adjust gallente mobility:

increase sprint speed and decrease stamina regen.

end result: gallente end up able to close distance rapidly, but cannot sprint frquently. this means they can get into or out of a fight quickly, but they cant run around the map forever like minmatar can, nor run as long as amarr can without stopping for stamina regen.


why do this? it actually is a racial characteristic of gallente in eve that they balance both speed and armor. we've covered this in the past when we tried getting kincats moved to high slots. this would be an alternative

not really. gallente mobility is the same as caldari. i cant close distant in my cal assault without using kincats. partly because of the range im fighting at, and partly because caldari are slow. So i know that gallente are even worse off.

what youre suggesting only works when cover is present. this isnt where gallente suffer. gallente suffer when there is a lack of cover and must travel great distance, such as when fighting caldari at long range. if you use ferro plates, you wont have enough hp to get into range.



exactly.



that wouldnt do anything except make the problem potentially worse. imagine range enhancing mods on rail rifles...

It stands a buff, what do you want. I was playing around with it just yesterday, it feels right, I like the dispersion, kick is reasonable. ADS is fine to finish off weakened fleeing targets.

Smart ideas?

If you increase range on the rifle it's going to cause problems. If you offer up a module that not everyone would use, then it'd help the people that need it.

You have a rail rifle and you have the option to go with Damage or Range... You already have good range, so what's the point in adding more? Long-range combat.

You have an assault rifle and you have the option to go with Damage or Range... You already have good damage, so what's the point in adding more? High damage CQC fighting.

It's appealing to the rifle's design in a more fluent way but offering both a way out and bridge into other areas if need-be. The Rail Rifle can already fit damage mods, so it sacrifices nothing. The Assault Rifle doesn't have that same opportunity. Doesn't matter how many damage mods you add onto it you will only ever be good at CQC fighting.

But it is a module everyone would use, people use the modules that benefit them the most, and it's a module that would benefit the long range weapons far more than it would the AR. Even if a complex only added 20%, that's only 8 meters optimal for an AR, but an ARR gets an extra 14 out of the same module. And suddenly the optimals are now even more extreme from 40 vs 72 to 48 vs 86. And it gets even worse vs the RR and ScR

It would be like back in beta where the sharpshooter skills actually gave extra range. It got taken out because everyone had it and if you didn't, you were almost guaranteed a dead man and CCP didn't like that.

Clean and simple, it needs something to boost its overall DPS, having a DPS advantage of 6.6% does not give it enough of an advantage over a weapon that can hit out for its full damage at nearly double the range while the AR flounders.

I'm actually going to do a video recording later today showing how having Sharpshooter 5 and Gallente Assault 5 has functionally no difference on dispersion - or if it does, how much of a difference. I've been sort of playing around with the AR on different suits and I'm not convinced that the Gallente Assault suit bonus even works, to be honest...

Eh, I suppose you're right... But even still, my point still stands with the Damage Amplifier conundrum. The AR needs to have a DPS high enough to warrant it's locked, low range because it cannot (I'll stress this) it -cannot- exceed it's range by any means whereas other weapons can at least keep their longer range and make up the DPS gap.

Thing is, I don't think anyone wants to see the AR's damage or RoF increased. So, what can we honestly do apart from 'feel good' differences like a different sight or handling?

And one thing that people seem to ignore is that, if you did have a range increasing module, instead of it being percentage based, it could just be a fixed number, like.. increase maximum range by 5 meters, instead of increase maximum range by 5%.

I'm actually going to do a video recording later today showing how having Sharpshooter 5 and Gallente Assault 5 has functionally no difference on dispersion - or if it does, how much of a difference. I've been sort of playing around with the AR on different suits and I'm not convinced that the Gallente Assault suit bonus even works, to be honest...

Another pointless thread. Go ahead and use your pathetic CR and RR. I started using the Duvolle Assault rifle and omg It melts dropsuits instantly. The CR and RR don't stand a chance = I must be really good since I went 25 and 3 = >:) Then got hate mail saying its OP and I'm HTFU butt hurt fool.

Which would increase shotgun optimal range from 4m to 9m.

It stands a buff, what do you want. I was playing around with it just yesterday, it feels right, I like the dispersion, kick is reasonable. ADS is fine to finish off weakened fleeing targets.

Smart ideas?

there will never be range increasing modules

a gallente weapon should always perform best on a gallente suit.

if range is a problem then gallente need a way to get into range better.

my suggestion isnt to do anything to the AR but to look at the gallente suits in general and how they fail at providing a viable platform for their own weapons.

adjust gallente mobility:

increase sprint speed and decrease stamina regen.

end result: gallente end up able to close distance rapidly, but cannot sprint frquently. this means they can get into or out of a fight quickly, but they cant run around the map forever like minmatar can, nor run as long as amarr can without stopping for stamina regen.


why do this? it actually is a racial characteristic of gallente in eve that they balance both speed and armor. we've covered this in the past when we tried getting kincats moved to high slots. this would be an alternative

While this should be the case with Gallente it does nothing to help the AR. It does me no good to get in range if my weapon is still outperformed by the other rifles. Why should I madly dash towards my inevitable doom? Speed works with the shotgun as it has high alpha and can 1-2 shot most suits, it is also supported by scouts low profile so your chances of getting in range is increased. The AR on the other hand doesnGÇÖt have anything going for it.

AR should be king of the rifles within 40 metres. Increase damage and/or ROF but dramatically drop damage beyond 40 metres. It should be a beast in CQC but clearly less effective outside its intended range.

If that doesnGÇÖt sit well with people then all the other rifles need to be toned down in CQC. I should feel confident holding my AR if I have closed the distance and IGÇÖm fighting someone with a Rail Rifle.

I just played a match with it and I got 10 kills, 15 assists, and 2 deaths. The amount of assists I get with that gun is why I think it sucks. It's either just under-powered enough to prevent me from finishing the job half the time or the rate-of-fire is low enough that too many of my kills or stolen.

With your logic the ARR, RR, CR, ACR, AScR, PLC, SR, Ect, Ect, Ect sucks.

I can go 34/61/10 with an RR, oh it has near 2x more assists so it must suck.
Nope

I can go 29/37/5 with a CR, oh it still has more assists so it must suck.
Nope

I could keep going all day long.

If you're looking at wpns as far as proto lvl goes, then here's my thoughts:

tons of wpns are a bit in an awkward loop of their damage priority lvls. So yeah a ScR has a huge damage output and probably is the strongest wpn by far. A railgun is identical in damage, a but more actually, but doesn't have any drawbacks at any range; will perform the same whether it's up close, mid or far and still maintains the superior range over an assault.

If you want to throw the combat rifle then the combat rifle has the advantage of speed, better targeting snipe and stability over a duvolle.

If you wanted to get into a fire fight at mid range the railgun and combat rifle would probably beat tons of he assault rifles; a tactical or creo might give you a chance but if everything else is equal even at a mid range those two should do you in.

When we argue about the usefulness of assault rifles, not that they're bad, I use them, but it's not like they have the field role they once had. It's like you have a better chance using the ion bolt pistol as a shotgun vs a shotgun and knowing if it was a short quarter combat scenario the bolt pistol might be the overall better wpn.

The best way to approach the overall point is that weapon assortment with update after update has kind of caused some weapons to have no real honest role in the game. A lot of users who rely on assault rifles do so because it's the easier weapon to use initially; combat rifles and rail rifles take skills but that's a skill point issue. Likewise game dynamics reduce the roll where it's no longer the simple HMG, shotgun, mass drivers, assault rifles and lasers in play. You get a lot more weapon variety and players who can now afford the skill points to make combos that were really usable before; can treat your assault as a scout or make that ion pistol a better shotgun. If you get in a shooting match at the optimal range of he duvolle, you might still easily end up loosing a shooting match against an RS 90 or a rail rifle with all things equal. Heaven forbid we include ScR's in this.

That's really my take on it, that the assault rifles aren't useless but really lack the all-purpose usage that you can manage out of the combat and rail rifles.