Go watch the movie "FURY", then come back.

Why would we give tankers less space in the future?

A swarm commando jumping out of his tank and using it as cover as he either immediately kills you or forces you off (likely to be killed as you flee) isn't smart or engaging or tactical, it's abuse of a mechanic.

Pilots should pilot. Don't want to be a pilot? Skill dropsuits, or save SP for both. We took away dual roles with Bandwidth, lets continue by adding pilot suit. AV players don't deserve to pilot at the same time, and honestly, really don't deserve to be laying down equipment either (even though I do all the time)

Ah, the movie Fury. About Sherman Tanks, which I believe have been proven to be horribly designed when it comes to escape hatches. I believe most guys never made it out of a Sherman when the Tank went up in flames (which was around 55% of the time upon taking a hit, later reduced by 15% by using "wet stowage".). Perhaps you should draw arguments from reality, not Hollywood, my friend.

"Why should we give them less space in the future?"
-More space, means bigger Tank, means more weight and more surface area. More weight means less speed, and more surface area means bigger target. Yes, I can see how Tankers would be concerned about having some degree of comfort over having a reliable, safe vehicle that'll get them in and out of combat safely.


Anyway, while I don't count myself as a 'great' Pilot, I do enjoy flying Dropships, and occasionally Tanks as well. I also run dedicated AV fits, so I see both ends of the spectrum.
Personally, I believe Pilot suits, if handled well, would serve an excellent purpose in the game. Right now, there's too many Heavy suits running around, using HAV's and LAV's as a taxi to offset their low movement speed. And that's the problem we face. I see 2 possible solutions:

1) Pilot suits to command HAV's and Dropships (Perhaps only allow Light and Medium to drive LAV to end the 'Murder Taxi Spree')
Or
2) Dissallow Heavy suits from driving any vehicle.


Then, slightly off-topic, but it's been mentioned before.
I believe a Pilot/Tanker should go down with his vehicle. It's expensive, we get it, but most of the best Tankers (and DS pilots!) I've seen can safely pull back from even Heavy AV situations. At that point they should make a decision.
"Can I support my team with my Tank in this situation, or should I reclaim it and help as Infantry?"
And either he takes the risk, and maybe loses his Tank, in which case the AV guys also deserve a kill, because believe it or not, most AV fits die a couple of times before the Tank is finally destroyed.
Or he doesn't, and helps his team with his favorite Infantry fit. And usually, you'd drive back to a safe location to reclaim, and more often than not there'll be a Supply Depot close by.



And for all this people crying about the possibility of needing a Pilot suit to drive a HAV, just be happy you don't need 2 of your buddies to load and fire your Main Gun.

Well some will insist I don't, but I assure you that I do.

For one, HAVs are gaining 2 additional slots, LAVs will likely receive a similar pass, so fitting is a little more flexible now. Not to mention I don't really consider HAVs as a platform that should really be a spawn point anyways, but since we lack proper MAVs I suppose I can't complain.

Additionally I don't have an issue with non-pilot suits hopping out and dropping uplinks. What I do have an issue with is a pilot suit gaining bonuses for piloting, but still maintaining that capability. The Pilot suit should be specialized completely around being inside a vehicle at all time. It should serve zero purpose whatsoever outside of a vehicle, even if its just to hop out for a second.

Bonuses for mCRUs and the sort? Awesome. But hopping out to drop uplinks? No, that's not the Pilot suits role. If you want to maintain the ability to use equipment but drop the bonuses that the pilot suit would offer, that's your call. But dropping uplinks is not an integral part of piloting the vehicle, even if you use the vehicle to drop uplinks.

You are so butthurt, it's glorious.

The amount of assumptions you make is quite impressive, I do enjoy watching this.

I have already offered up a compromise but I'm sure you were too busy knowing every little thing I do on the battlefield, you wizardly wizard you.

Ah, the movie Fury. About Sherman Tanks, which I believe have been proven to be horribly designed when it comes to escape hatches. I believe most guys never made it out of a Sherman when the Tank went up in flames (which was around 55% of the time upon taking a hit, later reduced by 15% by using "wet stowage".). Perhaps you should draw arguments from reality, not Hollywood, my friend.

"Why should we give them less space in the future?"
-More space, means bigger Tank, means more weight and more surface area. More weight means less speed, and more surface area means bigger target. Yes, I can see how Tankers would be concerned about having some degree of comfort over having a reliable, safe vehicle that'll get them in and out of combat safely.


Anyway, while I don't count myself as a 'great' Pilot, I do enjoy flying Dropships, and occasionally Tanks as well. I also run dedicated AV fits, so I see both ends of the spectrum.
Personally, I believe Pilot suits, if handled well, would serve an excellent purpose in the game. Right now, there's too many Heavy suits running around, using HAV's and LAV's as a taxi to offset their low movement speed. And that's the problem we face. I see 2 possible solutions:

1) Pilot suits to command HAV's and Dropships (Perhaps only allow Light and Medium to drive LAV to end the 'Murder Taxi Spree')
Or
2) Dissallow Heavy suits from driving any vehicle.


Then, slightly off-topic, but it's been mentioned before.
I believe a Pilot/Tanker should go down with his vehicle. It's expensive, we get it, but most of the best Tankers (and DS pilots!) I've seen can safely pull back from even Heavy AV situations. At that point they should make a decision.
"Can I support my team with my Tank in this situation, or should I reclaim it and help as Infantry?"
And either he takes the risk, and maybe loses his Tank, in which case the AV guys also deserve a kill, because believe it or not, most AV fits die a couple of times before the Tank is finally destroyed.
Or he doesn't, and helps his team with his favorite Infantry fit. And usually, you'd drive back to a safe location to reclaim, and more often than not there'll be a Supply Depot close by.



And for all this people crying about the possibility of needing a Pilot suit to drive a HAV, just be happy you don't need 2 of your buddies to load and fire your Main Gun.

I would completely debunk this bs with more reason and logic, but it's already shot itself in the foot?!

"Occasional pilots" won't be forced to rock pilot suits 24/7.... real pilots will! We reserve the right to be as involved as anyone!

To go to the extreme of saying the tanks will be huge with enough room for a rifle is silly. I didn't say swimming pool added. I said room inside for weapons and equipment.

Smh I'm done

CCP please don't build crap l, and expect me to spec into it.

Edit: I can't pull back, recall, and help as Infantry if I'm in some poorly built pilot suit.... you know... the one you guys are building?

Is a Pilot suit worth 2.7mil just so i can get into a vehicle? No

It should be worthwhile to use, offer a decent bonus.

Vehicles are supposed to be a playstyle in itself but currently it is not, anything a vehicle can do infantry can do better and adding a pilot suit now with nothing with it would not change anything apart from the jumping out of a vehicle with something useful.

I agree. Pilot suits should add a bonus to vehicle use. Be it Turret Rotation speed for Tanks, or...whatever, for Dropships (couldn't think of one for DS, apologies)
But it shouldn't be basic suits that "only" allow you to drive a vehicle. Which I don't think anyone here wants, nor is it likely that that's what'll happen. Every suit type out there get's certain bonuses, so why should Pilot suits be any different? I don't know for sure, but I highly doubt that Pilot suits would NOT get any bonuses.

The swarmlauncher is, and is always made to powerful. With 1.7 I saw actual hope for vehicle pilots but it doesn't seem like CCP can stand on their own feet and tell the population when enough is enough.

As soon as people noticed that their comfortable auto-aiming anti air and anti ground vehicle magic stick wasn't completely OP anymore we heard roars from people and cries because it was almost hard taking tanks and dropships out by your self using the militia one. They cry for 2 weeks straight and the damage profile is changed back to Weirdoland.

The swarmlauncher is and has always been what destroys wonderful vehicle gameplay. It is to available and to powerful, without the commando.

AVs are fgts that have no understanding of vehicular gameplay and they have no feelings!
*Goes back to the soaky corner he came from*

LOL

What an elitist Vehicle bullcrap...

If AV can't kill vehicles, it has no use. If (shield) vehicles play it smart, they can survive even a Proto Swarm on a Minmando with two complex damage mods. That swarms anihilate armor is only a problem of not enough anti shield AV, since that would make it possible to tone down the SL damage a bit. Right now, I wouldn't mind if Armor hardeners would be buffed a little, to give the Armor tanks the possibillity to escape more often.

If infantry has no possibility to fight of vehicles with ease, we'll have Tank514 back again, and since only a small part of the player base is vehicle focused, that would be a bad idea.

There will never be balance, somebody will always complain.

CCP said that they want vehicles to have windows of opportunities and that's what we have now, at least for shielded vehicles.

You guys want vehicle V vehicle warfare and not be bothered by AV... It's not going to happen. If you want that, go to world of tanks. This is mainly an infantry shooter, that has vehicles as SUPPORT. If you can't accept that, you are in the wrong game.

Limitations exist all over this game.

Look at bandwidth and how that killed pubs, you want links use the amarr, you want reps use the minmatar, you want scanner use gallente, you want nanohives use caldari but if you dont you get less of everything and any bonuses lost unless you run all the same equipment

Same with assault suits, don't use the weapon dont get the bonuses.

Lets not forget about vehicles with the impending doom of having 1 hardener or the fact that the core locus grenade, flaylock, mass driver all have bigger splash radius and do more splash damage than a large missile and also last but not least getting new advanced and prototype vehicles but without the increasing slot layout.

Who said anything about not wanting to be bothered by AV?

I just don't want AV driving, is all. You don't need 8000 HP with your swarm launcher. (unless you're a gunner / passenger, then that's legit)

Who said anything about not wanting to be bothered by AV?

I just don't want AV driving, is all. You don't need 8000 HP with your swarm launcher. (unless you're a gunner / passenger, then that's legit)

Turret rotation is a useless bonus. Shield regen or armor rep would be far, far more useful.

You are telling me you wouldn't like a tracking bonus for railguns or missiles?

Bro bro bro. What the ****?

LOL

What an elitist Vehicle bullcrap...

If AV can't kill vehicles, it has no use. If (shield) vehicles play it smart, they can survive even a Proto Swarm on a Minmando with two complex damage mods. That swarms anihilate armor is only a problem of not enough anti shield AV, since that would make it possible to tone down the SL damage a bit. Right now, I wouldn't mind if Armor hardeners would be buffed a little, to give the Armor tanks the possibillity to escape more often.

If infantry has no possibility to fight of vehicles with ease, we'll have Tank514 back again, and since only a small part of the player base is vehicle focused, that would be a bad idea.

He'll just remind you that he's god's gift to tanking and anything you saw is trumped by his throbbing girthy EXPERIENCE and then start spewing how you know nothing because he's personally never seen you in game. Honestly at this point it feels like the opening to Pinky and the Brain it's gotten so repetitive.

But yeah, tracking on a speedy tank is freaking amazing up close.

pilot suits should have no arms or legs but feet and can be squished like goombas