Agreed with sentiment and solution.

we don't we do want our MAIN FRONTLINE rifle to work. unlike you other races we don't have weapon diversity and what little we do have d*mn well better be functional

Yes, and is that not how it should be? If the ScR was forced to actually play smart, you wouldn't have to worry about overheating. Overheating is only a problem when you can be killed by the armor tanker, which means you have to be up close, in which case you shouldn't win with the regular ScR, because the AR should beat you there.

I don't get why people want the ScR to finish everything in one OH...

Please explain that a little better, I cant seem to make proper sense of what you are telling me? How does the scrabler rifle kill everything in one burst of bullets when heavy suits can easily get more hp than the damage per overheat of the scrambler rifle.

std amarr heavy suits can use 3 proto dampeners so that the amarr assault users are required to use 2 proto precision enhancers in order to see the heavy suit coming. That reduces the potential dps and damage per overheat of the scrambler rifle because they are not using damage modules then.

Lol, cept this time it has actual rational.

The scrambler has much less optimal and effective range than the rail rifle thus it needs to have much better ability up close.

Its higher fitting cost and lower damage per overheat compared to the assault rifle also creates the need for the scrambler to be kind of good at 25m to 60m engagements.

At engagements of 15m to 25m the scrambler still needs to aim down sights and move much slower to attempt to hit targets most of the time. Other guns like the breach assault rifle and combat rifle can hipfire instead with very good accuracy at 15 to 25m engagements while moving much faster allowing them to comtrol range and dodge a few bullets.

The charge shot of the scrambler (when it is used) reduces the overall damage per overheat compared to firing 22 shots with an amarr assault. The charge shot does roughly 200 damage unmodified by damage profile. The std shotgun does roughly 480 damage unmodified by its damage profile.

The Aim Down Sights recoil of the scrambler rifle prevents it from quickly firing many bullets accurately against enemies that are slightly peeking out of cover and firing at you (at 40m to 70m engagements). This lowers the damage per overheat and dps of the scrambler rifle a lot. I am referring to cover that hides the lower halve of the enemy and may also only expose only one shoulder of the enemy if the cover is shaped like a triangle of boxes.

The breach assault rifle, the burst assault rifle and regular assault rifle does not have large recoil problems.

The cool down time of the scrambler rifle acts like a reload. But it takes 6 seconds to cool down, instead of 3 seconds of reloading like the assault rifles and combat rifles.

Firing at 1 brick tanked enemy like a std amarr assault or gallente assault leaves you very vulnerable with a scrambler rifle. Because it takes 6 seconds to cooldown, an observing enemy might ambush you while you are vulnerable, forcing you to switch to a sidearm for 3 seconds at minimum. That is plenty of time for a skilled person to kill an amarr assault suit with a HMG or ACR etc.

Additionally the higher fitting costs of the scrambler rifle hinders a suits ability to fit good sidearms on top of good modules.

This makes me very confident against scrambler rifle users when I ambush them with a assault suit while using 1 proto profile dampener. (they would need 2 proto precision enhancers to see me coming, which would severely hurt there dps and damage per overheat.)

What i think LUGMOS is saying is
"you fire straight to OH, no temperature control but expect to be able to kill just like that."

Now, linking to RR kick = ScR O.H, the RR cannot kill "easily" by the mule kick around 10-15 rounds. Link that to the ScR. The ScR doesnt have the "mule" as early as the RR, which people said "no RR here" and the penalty was aquired

Hopefully i understood right.

*OP posts about rational*

*OP neglects to include all facts about SCR in his rational*

*context lost*

Lol, cept this time it has actual rational.

he said most efficient if I'm not mistaken

Do you think rifles should be more or less confined to certain ranges?

why is it rational? what makes you so special that your opinion is considered a fact?

1. SCR doesn't either unless you're terrible with it or facing a Senitnel, in which case: "GG see you next spawn"
2. Not even remotely.
3. The simple solution is to not use the charge shot
4. Only gun in DUST that lets you win a 2v1 against something other than scrubs is the HMG

Compare the current long range abilities of the RR to the SCR (since these are the two weapons you are comparing), the mid range, short range, and CQC abilities. Then you may go from (Waaaaahhhh!) to (insert excellent point followed by consensus and meaningful change here)

Yes, and is that not how it should be? If the ScR was forced to actually play smart, you wouldn't have to worry about overheating. Overheating is only a problem when you can be killed by the armor tanker, which means you have to be up close, in which case you shouldn't win with the regular ScR, because the AR should beat you there.

I don't get why people want the ScR to finish everything in one OH...

that's where you have things mess up lmao you assume it should go down like rock paper scissors but its a fps so no.....

Are you ******* kidding me? Can you not read?

It may not be in the OP, but I explain it farther in the thread, if you so care about balance, then you should go ahead and read the entirety of the thread.

But just for you, here I go:


Rail Rifle vs ScR: Assuming Normal Variant

The ScR has a tighter field of dispersion than the Scrambler Rifle. This already means more accuracy. On top of that, the ScR has relatively little to no kick, so the reticle remains constant, even in hipfire. The Rail Rifle, on the other hand, has much kick and recoil, more so than the ScR, even in ADS.

That is all you get in this post, but even just with this, a reduction to CQC effectivity is just, be it more dispersion, or more hipfire kick, or as suggested, a mere efficiency penalty up close.

CCP Rattati says that its imbalanced but won't make changes until more players use it.

1. SCR doesn't either unless you're terrible with it or facing a Senitnel, in which case: "GG see you next spawn"
2. Not even remotely.
3. The simple solution is to not use the charge shot
4. Only gun in DUST that lets you win a 2v1 against something other than scrubs is the HMG

The scrambler rifle is in a great place now. It melt's shield-tanking suits just like the CR melt' armor-tanking suits. The CR is the king of CQC in armor-profile weapons and the laser-rifle is king of CQC in shield-profile weapons, SR comes a close 2nd.
The CR does over 111 damage/burst to armor, and doesn't do to bat against shield suits using 2 damage mods, prof. 5
The SR does 108/shot to shields, and does just over 66 damage/shot to armor using 2 damage mods.
What makes the SR balanced is the heat mechanic, and sieze duration that the CR does not have.
A gallente assault with a CR counter's an amarr assault with a SR


He does not say this

He says that if it players start to use this more, and more kills are registered with it then it will get looked at.

I'll assume you mean Scrambler Rifle.

In that case, is it ok for the tactical (ie. regular) to be better at CQC than the AScR?

Buff the Assault Scrambler rifle to be comparable to the AR.

I laugh everytime the +20% is mention while completely ignoring the-20% during the current armour meta.