Everything kills everything in 5 seconds or less if your aim is good.

Oh wow, this thread again.

1. RR doesn't explode in your face
2. AScR is one of if not the worst gun in the game
3. charge shot does less then half the damage of a SG while costing over 2/3 of over heat gauge
4. while ScR is one the best 1v1 guns in the game over heat limits it's group fighting capabilities

You can't balance weapons by arbitrary damage drop-offs when maps force you into close to medium range engagements

SCR penalty is -80% damage to armor making it rather difficult to finish off armor tanked enemies before it overheats

Dont they have a standard AScR that costs the same as the ScR now?

RR maybe nerfed now but ARR is still a monster and better than ScR.
Why do you think most gk.0's,ak.0's and even some mk.0 assaults use it.

we don't we do want our MAIN FRONTLINE rifle to work. unlike you other races we don't have weapon diversity and what little we do have d*mn well better be functional

The scrambler has much less optimal and effective range than the rail rifle thus it needs to have much better ability up close.

Its higher fitting cost and lower damage per overheat compared to the assault rifle also creates the need for the scrambler to be kind of good at 25m to 60m engagements.

At engagements of 15m to 25m the scrambler still needs to aim down sights and move much slower to attempt to hit targets most of the time. Other guns like the breach assault rifle and combat rifle can hipfire instead with very good accuracy at 15 to 25m engagements while moving much faster allowing them to comtrol range and dodge a few bullets.

The charge shot of the scrambler (when it is used) reduces the overall damage per overheat compared to firing 22 shots with an amarr assault. The charge shot does roughly 200 damage unmodified by damage profile. The std shotgun does roughly 480 damage unmodified by its damage profile.

The Aim Down Sights recoil of the scrambler rifle prevents it from quickly firing many bullets accurately against enemies that are slightly peeking out of cover and firing at you (at 40m to 70m engagements). This lowers the damage per overheat and dps of the scrambler rifle a lot. I am referring to cover that hides the lower halve of the enemy and may also only expose only one shoulder of the enemy if the cover is shaped like a triangle of boxes.

The breach assault rifle, the burst assault rifle and regular assault rifle does not have large recoil problems.

The cool down time of the scrambler rifle acts like a reload. But it takes 6 seconds to cool down, instead of 3 seconds of reloading like the assault rifles and combat rifles.

Firing at 1 brick tanked enemy like a std amarr assault or gallente assault leaves you very vulnerable with a scrambler rifle. Because it takes 6 seconds to cooldown, an observing enemy might ambush you while you are vulnerable, forcing you to switch to a sidearm for 3 seconds at minimum. That is plenty of time for a skilled person to kill an amarr assault suit with a HMG or ACR etc.

Additionally the higher fitting costs of the scrambler rifle hinders a suits ability to fit good sidearms on top of good modules.

This makes me very confident against scrambler rifle users when I ambush them with a assault suit while using 1 proto profile dampener. (they would need 2 proto precision enhancers to see me coming, which would severely hurt there dps and damage per overheat.)

What i think LUGMOS is saying is
"you fire straight to OH, no temperature control but expect to be able to kill just like that."

Now, linking to RR kick = ScR O.H, the RR cannot kill "easily" by the mule kick around 10-15 rounds. Link that to the ScR. The ScR doesnt have the "mule" as early as the RR, which people said "no RR here" and the penalty was aquired

Hopefully i understood right.

*OP posts about rational*

*OP neglects to include all facts about SCR in his rational*

*context lost*

why is it rational? what makes you so special that your opinion is considered a fact?

Compare the current long range abilities of the RR to the SCR (since these are the two weapons you are comparing), the mid range, short range, and CQC abilities. Then you may go from (Waaaaahhhh!) to (insert excellent point followed by consensus and meaningful change here)

that's where you have things mess up lmao you assume it should go down like rock paper scissors but its a fps so no.....

The scrambler rifle is in a great place now. It melt's shield-tanking suits just like the CR melt' armor-tanking suits. The CR is the king of CQC in armor-profile weapons and the laser-rifle is king of CQC in shield-profile weapons, SR comes a close 2nd.
The CR does over 111 damage/burst to armor, and doesn't do to bat against shield suits using 2 damage mods, prof. 5
The SR does 108/shot to shields, and does just over 66 damage/shot to armor using 2 damage mods.
What makes the SR balanced is the heat mechanic, and sieze duration that the CR does not have.
A gallente assault with a CR counter's an amarr assault with a SR


He does not say this

He says that if it players start to use this more, and more kills are registered with it then it will get looked at.

I laugh everytime the +20% is mention while completely ignoring the-20% during the current armour meta.

Do you see the flaw in reasoning in using the sniper and laser as examples when those frequently receive complaints of over-specified range/effectiveness drop offs?

Good points and whatnot

If the Scr is to be nerved in range to damage application, the Ascr needs to
be buffed a mighty bit to deserve the title CQC weapon.

If any reasonable conversation was ever intended, you would have left it be
with your posts in the first few threads towards that topic, would have kept those
alive and kicking.

This is just sad.

(Maybe modded controllers are the problem)
Fix modded controllers before adjusting stats that are the result of mod controller using players

I'll try to be reasonable here. A CQC nerf to the scrambler through the methof you proposed could only be allowed if there was a massive heat reduction to it or if the asscrambler was buffed to do reasonsble damage. Some racial fit purists like myself like to use the scr on our commandos or scouts, which currently is only made viable by the ability to effectively fighyt in both cqc and long-mid range due to the fact we don't get a heat reduction bonus. Even with their damage bonus and a complex damage mod a amarrian commando is still less effective at proto level than an assault.

Still, I can't imagine people hip firing the scrambler 25 meters out. If they are then there is a problem there. I don't have scramblers or ARs. can someone with a capture device do some gunfire spread testing on a wall and put up some pictures?