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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:30:00 -
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I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly.
Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next 2 years maybe.
If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on tthe ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now.
I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. I am buying a new ps3 to play dust again next month myself after the one i had burnt out (even after cleaning and defregging each month so F you sony for that) just for dust.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are investing in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine.
There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow and look better. I'll be playig legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong.
I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it.
[INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE]
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:35:00 -
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PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:37:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind.
So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:09:00 -
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Even if Dust 514 moved to the PS4 it would eventually have to move off it when that console is put out to pasture.
PC will be here, and has been here, since the beginning. Aside from the occasional upgrade to a graphics card or stick of RAM, it will be able to run Dust 514 in all its incarnations without needing to be ported from console to console forever.
PC is the best and most logical step forward.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:18:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Even if Dust 514 moved to the PS4 it would eventually have to move off it when that console is put out to pasture.
PC will be here, and has been here, since the beginning. Aside from the occasional upgrade to a graphics card or stick of RAM, it will be able to run Dust 514 in all its incarnations without needing to be ported from console to console forever.
PC is the best and most logical step forward.
Agreed but that might mean screwing over most of dust playerbase as it is and these are people who have invested a lot of time and possibly a lot of money into the game.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:27:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation?
By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels).
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:37:00 -
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It can cost you a lot of money to get hold of a good gaming PC. For people who don't want to bother choosing what PC to buy, simply walking into a store and grabbing a PS4 box is a gigantic save of time.
Should also be noted that you can lay back in your sofa and play on the PS4, rather than having to sit at a desk playing on PC, which causes back problems...
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:46:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:It can cost you a lot of money to get hold of a good gaming PC. For people who don't want to bother choosing what PC to buy, simply walking into a store and grabbing a PS4 box is a gigantic save of time.
Should also be noted that you can lay back in your sofa and play on the PS4, rather than having to sit at a desk playing on PC, which causes back problems...
Unless a person is a bum, it costs about as much to upgrade with the latest hardware as it does to buy a console, more sometimes.
There's a **** load of pc gamers but they are spread out over many games but on console the numbers are concentrated to what there is to offer. Right now on pc the most popular games i know of are dota 2 (almost half a million people online at any one time) which is a childish pos and filled with kids and funnily enough it's considered better than league of losers. Then there's csgo (about 380k players prime time last time i checked) which is and always will be great but that itself has deteriorated badly and the community is more like ccods now than the oldschool days.
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
1253
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:48:00 -
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Yeah Dust on PS4!
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:43:00 -
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Schwing.
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ZDub 303
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:28:00 -
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It does seem more of a possibility than Legion at this point. At least Shanghai talks about Dust... |
Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:32:00 -
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i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:38:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
I have both and i can see that dust is better on the console. It doesn't need beasty hardware to play and the nature of pc gaming see's people like me who have an 18 buttoned gaming mouse do better than anyone who doesn't (as they will be frantically pressing the keyboard often).
Then factor in the nature of pc gaming where i can spin on a spot 360 with the slightest twitch of my hand because my mouse has 16400dpi (yes seriously but its minimal effort), the fact i have a decent rig so i will get more frames and less lag than other people.
It will be better to go to ps4 i believe and this is a whole game right here, they can't just call it a day on a whole game like dust.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:40:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:It does seem more of a possibility than Legion at this point. At least Shanghai talks about Dust...
They are separate dev teams anyway so whether legion actually happens or not is a non factor anyway.
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Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:40:00 -
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The original plan for Dust was to be the first cross platform game on both XBOX 360 and PS3 connecting to the same server. How awesome would that have been?
Unfortunately Microsoft decided to be jews and not allow it unless they had their own separate server, which CCP wouldn't allow.
Personally, I'd much rather see CCP resolve the legal issues and port Dust/Legion both current gen consoles they way they were originally supposed to and leave PC's to play EVE.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:42:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:The original plan for Dust was to be the first cross platform game on both XBOX 360 and PS3 connecting to the same server. How awesome would that have been?
Unfortunately Microsoft decided to be jews and not allow it unless they had their own separate server, which CCP wouldn't allow.
Personally, I'd much rather see CCP resolve the legal issues and port Dust/Legion both current gen consoles they way they were originally supposed to and leave PC's to play EVE.
Yes screw microsoft and their hardcore windows phone, the xbone.
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Peter Hanther
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:49:00 -
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I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:53:00 -
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Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable
Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough.
It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea.
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Peter Hanther
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:56:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough. It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea.
They only really care if you do a burn Jita. Anyone else does not matter. That is why I left the Eve side of things
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:02:00 -
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Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough. It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea. They only really care if you do a burn Jita. Anyone else does not matter. That is why I left the Eve side of things
True but we're dealing with a different dev team here. Think of everything that was never going to happen that has happened.........
Paid respecs for one and paid for bpos.
New maps after being told there won't be anymore content updates.
I can't think of anything else at the mo.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:04:00 -
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It would be easier for CCP for to move over Legion to the PS4 than Dust.
The reason being is that developing for the PS3 is much less similar to the PS4 than developing for the PC is to the PS4.
I am sure someone with more detailed knowledge could explain better.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:07:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:It would be easier for CCP for to move over Legion to the PS4 than Dust.
The reason being is that developing for the PS3 is much less similar to the PS4 than developing for the PC is to the PS4.
I am sure someone with more detailed knowledge could explain better.
No detailed knowledge is needed.
Legion is not dust and this is not about legion. Legion seems to be more for eve players who want to run around.
Dust is already on the sony network as well.
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Peter Hanther
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:07:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough. It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea. They only really care if you do a burn Jita. Anyone else does not matter. That is why I left the Eve side of things True but we're dealing with a different dev team here. Think of everything that was never going to happen that has happened......... Paid respecs for one and paid for bpos. New maps after being told there won't be anymore content updates. I can't think of anything else at the mo.
Oh I was not talking about the Dust Devs, I meant CCP as a whole. See Rattatai most likely does NOT have the pull to get CCP to buy the dev kits, licensing rights, and funds to spend time porting the engine over and then testing it.
He would have to convince his bosses to allow that. The same ones that said they were killing Dust off for Legion- A pc exclusive.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:13:00 -
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Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough. It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea. They only really care if you do a burn Jita. Anyone else does not matter. That is why I left the Eve side of things True but we're dealing with a different dev team here. Think of everything that was never going to happen that has happened......... Paid respecs for one and paid for bpos. New maps after being told there won't be anymore content updates. I can't think of anything else at the mo. Oh I was not talking about the Dust Devs, I meant CCP as a whole. See Rattatai most likely does NOT have the pull to get CCP to buy the dev kits, licensing rights, and funds to spend time porting the engine over and then testing it. He would have to convince his bosses to allow that. The same ones that said they were killing Dust off for Legion- A pc exclusive.
Exactly so if more people show support then he could back up his requests for all that. Right now we have a community that is not showing support at all and just being negative nancys about it with NO actual input whatsoever on that front other than whatever reason they don't think it will or would happen.
Not just that but dust can grow on the ps4 and people will like it for sure. People are not interested in investing time and money into a game on a more than last gen machine i don't think, it's kind of the norm that people move on and if games don't move with them then they die out.
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ZDub 303
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:16:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:It does seem more of a possibility than Legion at this point. At least Shanghai talks about Dust... They are separate dev teams anyway so whether legion actually happens or not is a non factor anyway.
Not really though, its CCP Shanghai for both Dust 514 and Project Legion. Its just that the team is divided over both games. It is unclear though how they devs are being split now. At first we kind of suspected that Dust would get a couple guys and 95% of the team would start going full on for Legion but its very likely that has changed since then.
Curious how many devs are still working on PL, if any... |
TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:It does seem more of a possibility than Legion at this point. At least Shanghai talks about Dust... They are separate dev teams anyway so whether legion actually happens or not is a non factor anyway. Not really though, its CCP Shanghai for both Dust 514 and Project Legion. Its just that the team is divided over both games. It is unclear though how they devs are being split now. At first we kind of suspected that Dust would get a couple guys and 95% of the team would start going full on for Legion but its very likely that has changed since then. Curious how many devs are still working on PL, if any...
I'm glad you know what you're on about.
A mass show off support is the only way that this will happen and if it doesn't, then so be it, at least we tried.
Can you point more people to this thread please as i can't get onto dust until next month. We have to try.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.02.05 19:18:00 -
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Signed, +1
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NoExsplosionsMgee
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
330
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:24:00 -
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+1 My PS4 is ready.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.06 12:22:00 -
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More.
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Duke Noobiam
The Dukes of Death
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Posted - 2015.02.06 15:45:00 -
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Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
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Posted - 2015.02.06 17:56:00 -
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It won't happen, nor do I want it to happen, despite having both a PS4 and a pretty spiffy PC. If Legion (more like Le-gone, heheheh...eeehh) is going to be the next step, I'd rather it be on the platform CCP actually knows how to work with and knows will last for...ever. At least until VR.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:41:00 -
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Commander Noctus wrote:It won't happen, nor do I want it to happen, despite having both a PS4 and a pretty spiffy PC. If Legion (more like Le-gone, heheheh...eeehh) is going to be the next step, I'd rather it be on the platform CCP actually knows how to work with and knows will last for...ever. At least until VR.
It will happen and i want it to happen.
Valid as fk mate lol.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.08 15:17:00 -
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I only have 2 games on my Ps3; Dust & Destiny, guess which one I regret spending money on?
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2015.02.08 15:20:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I only have 2 games on my Ps3; Dust & Destiny, guess which one I regret spending money on?
Hehe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzopWRXK_r4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwQ2S1xSz0
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:36:00 -
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Bump.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:16:00 -
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Bump and ting.
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JDEZ09
Dark Side Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.10 04:58:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next 2 years maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on tthe ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. I am buying a new ps3 to play dust again next month myself after the one i had burnt out (even after cleaning and defregging each month so F you sony for that) just for dust. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are investing in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow and look better. I'll be playig legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. Forget the strongboxes as well for a sec please because they do not mean jack sht in the grand scheme of things.
CCP probably didnt learn from last years debacle that was fanfest.
Give the DUST514 community the fanfest they deserve CCP! The one where at least DUST goes to PS4. With 60 frames per second ;)
Either that or its just going to be this all over again lmao!!
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
2856
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Posted - 2015.02.10 06:33:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:It would be easier for CCP for to move over Legion to the PS4 than Dust.
The reason being is that developing for the PS3 is much less similar to the PS4 than developing for the PC is to the PS4.
I am sure someone with more detailed knowledge could explain better.
Legion is Dust 2.0................
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kieran foxy
TRUE SAVAGES
Learning Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.02.10 08:18:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:It can cost you a lot of money to get hold of a good gaming PC. For people who don't want to bother choosing what PC to buy, simply walking into a store and grabbing a PS4 box is a gigantic save of time.
Should also be noted that you can lay back in your sofa and play on the PS4, rather than having to sit at a desk playing on PC, which causes back problems...
I can clearly say that theres a GOOD difference between pc and console access. so i agree with this.
My semi decent laptop was -ú400
and a ps4 is about -ú250 now.
winner? Console :/
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4010
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Posted - 2015.02.10 09:51:00 -
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Honestly, I think the best chance for this is if they were already working on porting to the PS4 before everything went dark. Talking about when/if it might release on the PS4 was a thing before the PS4 was out. Ideally they would've already been trying it out prior to the console launch. If they put in the time prior to Red Fanfest (after all, they apparently worked on a PC demo while being "laser-focused" on PS3), then that could possibly, maybe, mean they have a half-finished port of Dust to PS4 laying about in the offices.
As to the engine in particular, Dust is based on Unreal Engine 3, which has some native support on the PS3. Other UE3 games have been released on the PS4 (which will actually support the newer UE4), some at the same time as the PS3 (Injustice: Gods Among Us released on both, for example). So, I don't think it's some sort of insurmountable hurdle from a tech/porting perspective.
Worth mentioning perhaps that CCP *does* have access to Unreal Engine 4 anyway, as EVE:Valkyrie is supposedly using it.
The Dren Swarm fiasco.
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IGÇÖm behind a PC/mac the whole day at work, and often in evenings. So if i want to play a game you better believe iGÇÖm going to be doing it with a controller in my mitts, smeared out across the couch in my party suit.
so yes, ps4 please.
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Kain Spero
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation?
Now that consoles have transitioned to x86 this isn't reall that big of a deal. The upgrade cycle from CCP's standpoint would basically be the same as dealing with normal advances in computers, gpus, etc.
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Ancient Exiles.
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Both Consoles!
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Both Consoles!
Tell your friends so we can get more support for this please.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next 2 years maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on tthe ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. I am buying a new ps3 to play dust again next month myself after the one i had burnt out (even after cleaning and defregging each month so F you sony for that) just for dust. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are investing in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow and look better. I'll be playig legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. Forget the strongboxes as well for a sec please because they do not mean jack sht in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah I would be hype for the ps4 to buy
Oh wait pay to play required
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Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Maybe if people showed their support for a Ps4 version then they'd consider it. They seem to be doing things now when people show support for it enough. It's going to be doubtful so long as people simply keep doubting it and not actually supporting the idea. They only really care if you do a burn Jita. Anyone else does not matter. That is why I left the Eve side of things True but we're dealing with a different dev team here. Think of everything that was never going to happen that has happened......... Paid respecs for one and paid for bpos. New maps after being told there won't be anymore content updates. I can't think of anything else at the mo. Oh I was not talking about the Dust Devs, I meant CCP as a whole. See Rattatai most likely does NOT have the pull to get CCP to buy the dev kits, licensing rights, and funds to spend time porting the engine over and then testing it. He would have to convince his bosses to allow that. The same ones that said they were killing Dust off for Legion- A pc exclusive.
They will also have to spend some money advertising and get a different team to work on the ps4 since it is much different than the ps3; it would cost a lot of money to do all that and a lot of time they probably can't afford. The team is small so they would would have to take dev time from the team to work on it, so Dust 514 won't get any updates for awhile.
If they aren't doing it now or have no plans for a port, then its not happening. I don't think CCP has the confidence or the care to port it over. If they wanted they would have done so or planning on doing it soon. Getting some responses on a thread is very unlikely to change a big decision like that .
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bathtubist wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next 2 years maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on tthe ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. I am buying a new ps3 to play dust again next month myself after the one i had burnt out (even after cleaning and defregging each month so F you sony for that) just for dust. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are investing in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow and look better. I'll be playig legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. Forget the strongboxes as well for a sec please because they do not mean jack sht in the grand scheme of things. Yeah I would be hype for the ps4 to buy Oh wait pay to play required its been fun ridin with you playstation now to move to Pc
Play to play?, no actually.
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@ Avinash
Ah but we can try and do they need to spend on advertising?, they barely advertised dust at all. The forums are a good place to try and change anything.
Sources - The forums and how much they have paid attention (even if they have fked things up).
And actually the ps4 is much more familiar with them than the ps3's cell cpu and limited crappy VRAM which is as measly as it's RAM......256lolmb.
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Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable
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Bump.
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TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:Peter Hanther wrote:I highly doubt they will bring it over to the PS4, even if I would love them forever if they did. The framerate boost on its own would make Dust that much more playable Just imagine how smooth the Gallente research facility would run??
Just imagine everything smoother, better graphics, higher player counts and more depth that the original scope of dust had.
We could have all that.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels).
Not at all... They're not making a game that's entire premise is long-term survivability with a sandbox entirely formed by player decisions. Franchises make sequels, they don't remake an entire game - at least not something as in depth as Eve Online or Dust 514. HD Remaster? Sure. You're just giving new graphics to a game that already exists and they are usually single player. One does not simply "HD Remaster" Dust 514, all the stats and progression of each player, the territories owned by said players, and the impact they've made on the sandbox.
PC is the only place that this kind of game can survive long-term. You can ask the playerbase to shell out $500 every few years in either case... but asking for millions of dollars to remake the game to stay up to date for consoles? Different story.
Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department?
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Talos Vagheitan
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Release for both consoles!
If not possible then PS4 exclusive.
Biggest player base.
Legion on PC would be good, but would remain and underground niche title.
Who cares what some sniper has to say.
CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Legion would crash and burn faster on the PC than it being ported to the PS4.
Changes to Damage mods!
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Kain Spero wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? Now that consoles have transitioned to x86 this isn't reall that big of a deal. The upgrade cycle from CCP's standpoint would basically be the same as dealing with normal advances in computers, gpus, etc.
Even if the PS4 is x86, console makers still hyper-optimize their development kits for the particular hardware. Developers also in turn optimize with their own tweaks based on hardware features and idiosyncrasies.
This is why the PS4 can outperform a similar spec PC. The PC is running a general purpose OS, and the games are (mostly) programmed against generic frameworks. That genericness provides compatibility at the cost of computational overhead.
If the PS3 were x86 based, they probably would've used a 32 bit dual core processor since that's what was affordable back then, and they might've used an nvidia chip for graphics. Now the cheap processors are 64 bit, and 8 cores, and they come with a free ATI CPU. Sony would've had to redo their development kit even if the PS3 were x86 based. Now what do you think x86 CPUs will look like in 5-6 years? What will be out when it comes time to design the PS5? It just becomes easier to make a new "platform" every console generation rather than trying to transcend multiple generations of hardware, otherwise you'll have to start adopting the generic PC approach, and incur those performance costs.
Even then, there are market forces preventing your scenario from happening. Why doesn't XboxOne have backwards compatibility with the Original Xbox? They're both x86 after all. Well, in addition to any technical hurdles, console makers are addicted from the revenue of making people re-buy their old games on the "new" platform.
In regards to CCP, they'd probably benefit more from the familiar, slow-paced, long-lived PC development cycle, then to ever risk being stranded on a dead platform ever again. Also, I'm certain that the PSN patch release process has been a thorn in CCP's side since they launched Dust. Developing for a console makes you someone's *****, and I'd be surprised if they're not tired of it.
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The future of this game is dependent on expanding beyond the PS3/PS4.
PC is the next step to ensure the long term health of this game.
Almost every one of you people posting on these forums is a $150 graphics card away from having a rig capable of playing UE3/4 based games. Hell, many of you probably don't even need an upgrade, you can just dial the graphics down to the current PS3 fidelity and start playing.
So please, stop with the crying.
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KA24DERT wrote:The future of this game is dependent on expanding beyond the PS3/PS4.
PC is the next step to ensure the long term health of this game.
Almost every one of you people posting on these forums is a $150 graphics card away from having a rig capable of playing UE3/4 based games. Hell, many of you probably don't even need an upgrade, you can just dial the graphics down to the current PS3 fidelity and start playing.
So please, stop with the crying.
Crying about people crying.
10/10
I have a decent rig as well but this game would be pretty sht on pc where heavies turn in the blink of an eye with their hmg. Imagine the amount of nerf threads.
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Planetside 2 is pretty fun on PC, more fun than I ever had playing Dust on PS3. With Daybreak imploding they are poised to capture a pretty solid market on PC.
However... imo they should just disconnect Dust 514 from tranquility and let it be non-canon to the universe and IP. Start Legion on PC as the connected version of planetary combat and move Dust 514 to the PS4. In this way there can still exist a sci fi shooter with a New Eden theme and they can do whatever they want with the game without worrying about its impact on EVE. Removing roadblocks like trading and manufacturing should be relatively simple and the isolated code base should mean an easier time working on Dust.
I don't think EVE players will be pleased if Legion doesn't make it to the PC. I know that most people on here don't care what the greater EVE population thinks but CCP does and should. I no longer believe in the vision that a set coupled games affecting the outcome of each other should exist on hardware that cannot play both games. If the PS4 is not the main platform for EVE I don't believe it should be the main platform for Legion either. |
gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
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any game that you own a digital copy of on your ps3,
can be played on the ps4 thru playstation now.
how does one go about getting in on that
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and Larlac Theest (Min)
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KA24DERT
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TerranKnight87 wrote:KA24DERT wrote:The future of this game is dependent on expanding beyond the PS3/PS4.
PC is the next step to ensure the long term health of this game.
Almost every one of you people posting on these forums is a $150 graphics card away from having a rig capable of playing UE3/4 based games. Hell, many of you probably don't even need an upgrade, you can just dial the graphics down to the current PS3 fidelity and start playing.
So please, stop with the crying.
Crying about people crying. 10/10 I have a decent rig as well but this game would be pretty sht on pc where heavies turn in the blink of an eye with their hmg. Imagine the amount of nerf threads.
I'll take an insta-360 Heavy over a Heavy with AA any day.
The Team Fortress series has been dealing with your dreaded Heavy scourge for almost 20 years, and it's doing just fine.
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ZDub 303 wrote:Planetside 2 is pretty fun on PC, more fun than I ever had playing Dust on PS3. With Daybreak imploding they are poised to capture a pretty solid market on PC.
However... imo they should just disconnect Dust 514 from tranquility and let it be non-canon to the universe and IP. Start Legion on PC as the connected version of planetary combat and move Dust 514 to the PS4. In this way there can still exist a sci fi shooter with a New Eden theme and they can do whatever they want with the game without worrying about its impact on EVE. Removing roadblocks like trading and manufacturing should be relatively simple and the isolated code base should mean an easier time working on Dust.
I don't think EVE players will be pleased if Legion doesn't make it to the PC. I know that most people on here don't care what the greater EVE population thinks but CCP does and should. I no longer believe in the vision that a set coupled games affecting the outcome of each other should exist on hardware that cannot play both games. If the PS4 is not the main platform for EVE I don't believe it should be the main platform for Legion either.
Makes no business sense to maintain two separate projects. Let alone the third project to spin up and maintain a stripped down tranquility cluster for Dust to talk to. Or write and maintain some tranquility stub api server. Especially if all that effort is to provide an isolated jail that has no bearing on the Eve universe and is destined to fizzle out. It'd be a total waste of everyone's time.
Honestly if i were CCP, I'd scrap Legion and just port Dust to PC, and once they get a handle on that, release Dust for PS4 with cross-platform play.
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KA24DERT wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Planetside 2 is pretty fun on PC, more fun than I ever had playing Dust on PS3. With Daybreak imploding they are poised to capture a pretty solid market on PC.
However... imo they should just disconnect Dust 514 from tranquility and let it be non-canon to the universe and IP. Start Legion on PC as the connected version of planetary combat and move Dust 514 to the PS4. In this way there can still exist a sci fi shooter with a New Eden theme and they can do whatever they want with the game without worrying about its impact on EVE. Removing roadblocks like trading and manufacturing should be relatively simple and the isolated code base should mean an easier time working on Dust.
I don't think EVE players will be pleased if Legion doesn't make it to the PC. I know that most people on here don't care what the greater EVE population thinks but CCP does and should. I no longer believe in the vision that a set coupled games affecting the outcome of each other should exist on hardware that cannot play both games. If the PS4 is not the main platform for EVE I don't believe it should be the main platform for Legion either. Makes no business sense to maintain two separate projects. Let alone the third project to spin up and maintain a stripped down tranquility cluster for Dust to talk to. Or write and maintain some tranquility stub api server. Especially if all that effort is to provide an isolated jail that has no bearing on the Eve universe and is destined to fizzle out. It'd be a total waste of everyone's time. Honestly if i were CCP, I'd scrap Legion and just port Dust to PC, and once they get a handle on that, release Dust for PS4 with cross-platform play.
That sounds good yeah but CCP doesn't make sense. Dust on the ps3 is proof of that lol.
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ZDub 303
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KA24DERT wrote:
Makes no business sense to maintain two separate projects. Let alone the third project to spin up and maintain a stripped down tranquility cluster for Dust to talk to. Or write and maintain some tranquility stub api server. Especially if all that effort is to provide an isolated jail that has no bearing on the Eve universe and is destined to fizzle out. It'd be a total waste of everyone's time.
Honestly if i were CCP, I'd scrap Legion and just port Dust to PC, and once they get a handle on that, release Dust for PS4 with cross-platform play.
Hey if each is profitable I can see it making sense. Especially considering the unreal art assets can probably drop into both games and then its just systems design. I could see it working to be honest... Although it would probably be incredibly expensive to rewrite Dust for the PS4 all things considered.
Makes me wonder if DX12 is part of the reason we haven't heard anything about Legion in a while. With multi-core rendering it should make the game much more stable with a high local player count, something which would make Legion just downright incredible in my opinion if even mid range PCs can handle the same 96v96 battles you see in PS2.
You can't use multi-core rendering in UE3 though, would need a new engine for that... if they are building around a new engine it could be why we haven't heard anything. Although a quick keynote explaining that would probably drive most PC/EVE players insane with joy. At least I would be quite happy about it, I think GCN supports multi-core rendering from what I've read. |
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I'd rather have Legion on PC then moved to console.
Thank god for CCP Rattati!!
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GLOBAL RAGE
Consolidated Dust
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation?
Is it logical to support hosed over clocked, virus infected winblows desktops, that with a litle C# will become hacked-up aimboting wall hacking hero machines? |
GLOBAL RAGE
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ZDub 303 wrote:KA24DERT wrote:
Makes no business sense to maintain two separate projects. Let alone the third project to spin up and maintain a stripped down tranquility cluster for Dust to talk to. Or write and maintain some tranquility stub api server. Especially if all that effort is to provide an isolated jail that has no bearing on the Eve universe and is destined to fizzle out. It'd be a total waste of everyone's time.
Honestly if i were CCP, I'd scrap Legion and just port Dust to PC, and once they get a handle on that, release Dust for PS4 with cross-platform play.
Hey if each is profitable I can see it making sense. Especially considering the unreal art assets can probably drop into both games and then its just systems design. I could see it working to be honest... Although it would probably be incredibly expensive to rewrite Dust for the PS4 all things considered. Makes me wonder if DX12 is part of the reason we haven't heard anything about Legion in a while. With multi-core rendering it should make the game much more stable with a high local player count, something which would make Legion just downright incredible in my opinion if even mid range PCs can handle the same 96v96 battles you see in PS2. You can't use multi-core rendering in UE3 though, would need a new engine for that... if they are building around a new engine it could be why we haven't heard anything. Although a quick keynote explaining that would probably drive most PC/EVE players insane with joy. At least I would be quite happy about it, I think GCN supports multi-core rendering from what I've read.
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
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TerranKnight87
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? Is it logical to support hosed over clocked, virus infected winblows desktops, that with a litle C# will become hacked-up aimboting wall hacking hero machines?
Haha.
Yeah i see the interest in gaming moving to console. Pc gaming for the most part is ending up nowadays to not be worth devs time for many reasons and i prefer pc myself but it's becoming evident.
The gamers on pc are spread out loads and to give an idea of what the players are going for, farming simulator had more players watching and playing than planetside 2. There's much better games on pc but the gamers tend to gravitate to pure sht like goat simulator, dota 2, league of losers and farming simulator.
Devs then inevitably have to waste a fk ton of money constantly fending off hackers and they have to dev for a ridiculous amount of hardware variations.
It all boils down to money and it's much easier to make money on console now. No hackers or at least they can't really hack, one hardware spec and a concentrated playerbase. They can then charge around -ú60 per game and then premium on top.
I've been pc gaming since 95 and i have loved it but it is more than clear that pc gaming is circling the toilet. All the above bs will or probably is the norm for the newer pc generation where all that bs is normalised for them, like inflation.
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud".
Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud:
1) Sign up for AWS
2) Spin up an EC2 instance
Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com.
Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? Is it logical to support hosed over clocked, virus infected winblows desktops, that with a litle C# will become hacked-up aimboting wall hacking hero machines? Haha. Yeah i see the interest in gaming moving to console. Pc gaming for the most part is ending up nowadays to not be worth devs time for many reasons and i prefer pc myself but it's becoming evident. The gamers on pc are spread out loads and to give an idea of what the players are going for, farming simulator had more players watching and playing than planetside 2. There's much better games on pc but the gamers tend to gravitate to pure sht like goat simulator, dota 2, league of losers and farming simulator. Devs then inevitably have to waste a fk ton of money constantly fending off hackers and they have to dev for a ridiculous amount of hardware variations. It all boils down to money and it's much easier to make money on console now. No hackers or at least they can't really hack, one hardware spec and a concentrated playerbase. They can then charge around -ú60 per game and then premium on top. I've been pc gaming since 95 and i have loved it but it is more than clear that pc gaming is circling the toilet. All the above bs will or probably is the norm for the newer pc generation where all that bs is normalised for them, like inflation.
The hacking threat on PC is overblown. And if you use Valve Anti Cheat, you can offset the overhead of the constant back and forth battle with hackers and let Valve handle it.
Also, keep in mind that hacking in Dust is different than hacking in Counterstrike. You can always make a new steam ID and get back into Counterstrike. But if you're caught cheating in Dust, you will lose all your character and all assets. 90% of the cheating that goes on will be limited to throwaway accounts on Pubs, and it will be as rare as encountering a cheater on a PC FPS.
Also, it is absolutely NOT easier to make money on a console. Almost everyone has a PC, and there's tons of free game SDKs for PC. Almost anyone can go to a local game developer meetup and get a tutorial on Unity and crank out an example game in a week. How many people have PS4 development kits lying around? When the barrier of getting your game onto a store shelf or onto PSN is so high, how can you possibly make that claim?
The fact that Goat Simulator sold so many copies proves the point. The PC gaming audience is so large and so diverse that almost anyone can make money if they have a good/funny game concept.
In regards Goat simulator being more popular than Planetside 2. Goat simulator promised you hilarious bugs while messing with goats, and Goat Simulator delivered hilarious bugs. Sony promised you excellent gameplay and a fun experience, and Sony delivered hilarious bugs.
If PC gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of wierd and new concepts in gaming. If Console gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of repetitive rehashes.
Once audience will be open to your silly game about goats, the other wants endless COD clones.
Dust will have an easier time finding an audience on PC.
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KA24DERT wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? Is it logical to support hosed over clocked, virus infected winblows desktops, that with a litle C# will become hacked-up aimboting wall hacking hero machines? Haha. Yeah i see the interest in gaming moving to console. Pc gaming for the most part is ending up nowadays to not be worth devs time for many reasons and i prefer pc myself but it's becoming evident. The gamers on pc are spread out loads and to give an idea of what the players are going for, farming simulator had more players watching and playing than planetside 2. There's much better games on pc but the gamers tend to gravitate to pure sht like goat simulator, dota 2, league of losers and farming simulator. Devs then inevitably have to waste a fk ton of money constantly fending off hackers and they have to dev for a ridiculous amount of hardware variations. It all boils down to money and it's much easier to make money on console now. No hackers or at least they can't really hack, one hardware spec and a concentrated playerbase. They can then charge around -ú60 per game and then premium on top. I've been pc gaming since 95 and i have loved it but it is more than clear that pc gaming is circling the toilet. All the above bs will or probably is the norm for the newer pc generation where all that bs is normalised for them, like inflation. The hacking threat on PC is overblown. And if you use Valve Anti Cheat, you can offset the overhead of the constant back and forth battle with hackers and let Valve handle it. Also, keep in mind that hacking in Dust is different than hacking in Counterstrike. You can always make a new steam ID and get back into Counterstrike. But if you're caught cheating in Dust, you will lose all your character and all assets. 90% of the cheating that goes on will be limited to throwaway accounts on Pubs, and it will be as rare as encountering a cheater on a PC FPS. Also, it is absolutely NOT easier to make money on a console. Almost everyone has a PC, and there's tons of free game SDKs for PC. Almost anyone can go to a local game developer meetup and get a tutorial on Unity and crank out an example game in a week. How many people have PS4 development kits lying around? When the barrier of getting your game onto a store shelf or onto PSN is so high, how can you possibly make that claim? The fact that Goat Simulator sold so many copies proves the point. The PC gaming audience is so large and so diverse that almost anyone can make money if they have a good/funny game concept. In regards Goat simulator being more popular than Planetside 2, Goat Simulator promised you hilarious bugs while messing with goats, and Goat Simulator delivered hilarious bugs. Sony promised you excellent gameplay and a fun experience, and Sony delivered hilarious bugs. If PC gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of wierd and new concepts in gaming. If Console gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of repetitive rehashes. One audience will be open to your silly game about goats, the other wants endless COD clones. Dust will have an easier time finding an audience on PC.
The good sht tends to be niche on pc and the good sht on console are either ports or clones aye. PC gaming is also going pretty funky i think and the better and higher quality stuff is becoming niche.
And i disagree with dust finding a better audience on pc because of parts of what i have said and some pretty undeniable stuff others have said. I won't repeat it and you can choose to ignore it all if you want.
None of us can really do anything but state our opinions really and hope so i'm not going to engage in a debate based on opinion no matter how well we can put it across.
"Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
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Posted - 2015.02.16 04:26:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud". Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud: 1) Sign up for AWS 2) Spin up an EC2 instance Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com. Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit.
Lol, projections bro, projections and you know it.
Everyone will have a ps4 eventually pretty much apart from the absolute dregs but who cares about them?. Again, pc gamers are spread out all over the place, there are far more games on pc so the players are less concentrated whereas players kind of have to play what they can get on ps4.
Anyway i'm delving into the opinions again really aren't I.
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Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2015.02.16 08:05:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
They already paid for a UE4 license for Valkyrie.
Regardless, the architecture of the PS4 is such that porting to PC/PS4 is a similar task. The larger issue is likely the profit sharing that happens if you appear on a Sony console. Does Steam take a similar cut of digital currency sales compared to Sony?
/shrug
The PS3 is on the way out either way (not going to be manufactured anymore, etc.). So, hopefully they've made same sort of plan or it'll just be a "Thanks for playing Dust!" message after some point. The restricted budget their skeleton crew is presumably on now does not give me high hopes for some ongoing/concurrent development either.
The Dren Swarm fiasco.
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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Dust on PS4 would mean dealing with Sony's servers again.. no thanks.
I want to see Legion on PC, only linked with CCP's servers. Updating the game would be a pain in the @ss (as it is now) if CCP would have to deal with Sony again.
Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name.
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TerranKnight87
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Sequal's Back wrote:Dust on PS4 would mean dealing with Sony's servers again.. no thanks.
I want to see Legion on PC, only linked with CCP's servers. Updating the game would be a pain in the @ss (as it is now) if CCP would have to deal with Sony again.
Cool and we can still have legion on pc.
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Posted - 2015.02.19 16:53:00 -
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Bump.
I know the game is and has gotten better in many ways but it must live on.
"Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
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GLOBAL RAGE
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2015.02.20 13:52:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud". Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud: 1) Sign up for AWS 2) Spin up an EC2 instance Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com. Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit.
Your head is in the clouds if you cannot grasp how AWS can help with match making and latency mitigation. WINBLOWS gaming is dead, grow a pair of thumbs!
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KA24DERT wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? Is it logical to support hosed over clocked, virus infected winblows desktops, that with a litle C# will become hacked-up aimboting wall hacking hero machines? Haha. Yeah i see the interest in gaming moving to console. Pc gaming for the most part is ending up nowadays to not be worth devs time for many reasons and i prefer pc myself but it's becoming evident. The gamers on pc are spread out loads and to give an idea of what the players are going for, farming simulator had more players watching and playing than planetside 2. There's much better games on pc but the gamers tend to gravitate to pure sht like goat simulator, dota 2, league of losers and farming simulator. Devs then inevitably have to waste a fk ton of money constantly fending off hackers and they have to dev for a ridiculous amount of hardware variations. It all boils down to money and it's much easier to make money on console now. No hackers or at least they can't really hack, one hardware spec and a concentrated playerbase. They can then charge around -ú60 per game and then premium on top. I've been pc gaming since 95 and i have loved it but it is more than clear that pc gaming is circling the toilet. All the above bs will or probably is the norm for the newer pc generation where all that bs is normalised for them, like inflation. The hacking threat on PC is overblown. And if you use Valve Anti Cheat, you can offset the overhead of the constant back and forth battle with hackers and let Valve handle it. Also, keep in mind that hacking in Dust is different than hacking in Counterstrike. You can always make a new steam ID and get back into Counterstrike. But if you're caught cheating in Dust, you will lose all your character and all assets. 90% of the cheating that goes on will be limited to throwaway accounts on Pubs, and it will be as rare as encountering a cheater on a PC FPS. Also, it is absolutely NOT easier to make money on a console. Almost everyone has a PC, and there's tons of free game SDKs for PC. Almost anyone can go to a local game developer meetup and get a tutorial on Unity and crank out an example game in a week. How many people have PS4 development kits lying around? When the barrier of getting your game onto a store shelf or onto PSN is so high, how can you possibly make that claim? The fact that Goat Simulator sold so many copies proves the point. The PC gaming audience is so large and so diverse that almost anyone can make money if they have a good/funny game concept. In regards Goat simulator being more popular than Planetside 2, Goat Simulator promised you hilarious bugs while messing with goats, and Goat Simulator delivered hilarious bugs. Sony promised you excellent gameplay and a fun experience, and Sony delivered hilarious bugs. If PC gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of wierd and new concepts in gaming. If Console gaming is circling a toilet, it's a toilet of repetitive rehashes. One audience will be open to your silly game about goats, the other wants endless COD clones. Dust will have an easier time finding an audience on PC.
Audience=a bunch of goat molesters?
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Zeylon Rho
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:
Dust will have an easier time finding an audience on PC.
Audience=a bunch of goat molesters?
That's basically the current Dust playerbase anyway.
The Dren Swarm fiasco.
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Zeylon Rho wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:
Dust will have an easier time finding an audience on PC.
Audience=a bunch of goat molesters? That's basically the current Dust playerbase anyway.
Dude had a thing against goat molesting?
Weirdo.
"Tech you're in a max suit, you have 15 mins to unfk yourself or you can fk off." - Stumpycat C/O of Goon Brigade.
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They aren't even developing it on PS3, let alone PS4. It's obvious that CCP really don't give a flying **** about this game and the only reason it's even still running is because they continue to make money off the idiots who buy AUR.
I stopped playing for like a month and when I returned they had added this upgrading personal warbarge bullshit that literally looks less impressive than most crappy flash games (seriously). And every single bug or problem I remember still persists, even the ones we were told had been fixed (ridiculously long "Victory" screens, the "sprint glitch", stupidly laggy menus).
The HMG is still so OP it's actually laughable that these people consider it balanced, and wtf is with the Mustard Driver? How much did that guy get paid to **** around with the mass driver animation and make it a horrible mustard yellow colour that makes you want to vomit? And who the **** let that change be implemented?
I'm gona stop ranting now, basically i'm just pissed because DUST was an amazing idea that was ruined for the sake of capitalism. |
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GLOBAL RAGE
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Posted - 2015.02.21 13:42:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:They aren't even developing it on PS3, let alone PS4. It's obvious that CCP really don't give a flying **** about this game and the only reason it's even still running is because they continue to make money off the idiots who buy AUR.
I stopped playing for like a month and when I returned they had added this upgrading personal warbarge bullshit that literally looks less impressive than most crappy flash games (seriously). And every single bug or problem I remember still persists, even the ones we were told had been fixed (ridiculously long "Victory" screens, the "sprint glitch", stupidly laggy menus).
The HMG is still so OP it's actually laughable that these people consider it balanced, and wtf is with the Mustard Driver? How much did that guy get paid to **** around with the mass driver animation and make it a horrible mustard yellow colour that makes you want to vomit? And who the **** let that change be implemented?
Rant almost over, basically i'm just pissed because DUST was an amazing idea that was ruined for the sake of capitalism, it honestly seems like it's been handed over to some complete unprofessional dev team who are adding an absolutely minimal amount of content as well as breaking almost everything they get their hands on. Just to keep people interested enough to keep paying for AUR.
Capitalism?, do you mean CCP making money to pay their staff, so that they can feed, clothe, house and educate their families.
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KA24DERT
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:27:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud". Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud: 1) Sign up for AWS 2) Spin up an EC2 instance Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com. Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit. Your head is in the clouds if you cannot grasp how AWS can help with match making and latency mitigation. WINBLOWS gaming is dead, grow a pair of thumbs!
Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there.
Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming...
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GLOBAL RAGE
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:27:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud". Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud: 1) Sign up for AWS 2) Spin up an EC2 instance Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com. Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit. Your head is in the clouds if you cannot grasp how AWS can help with match making and latency mitigation. WINBLOWS gaming is dead, grow a pair of thumbs! Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming...
IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison.
My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation.
Steam is in trouble!
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:27:00 -
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GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:
UE4's new licence pricing, and Project Morpeus are the deciding elements. AMD is directly involved with SONY in regards to Morpheus, and SONY is in AMAZON's AWS Cloud already with CCP's battle servers.
CCP has a shot at "greatness" on the PS4.
Sorry, pet peeve, but I need to deflate some of the mysticism around "The Cloud". Here's how to get on Amazon's Cloud: 1) Sign up for AWS 2) Spin up an EC2 instance Tada, you are now a cybercloud e-pioneer. Dot Com. Your other points are about as relevant as sony being in the cloud. Bottom line is that the PS3 has a bigger install base than the PS4, and PC has a bigger install base than the PS3. If Dust is close to death on the PS3, why go to a SMALLER install base? The next jump should be on the platform with the most players and the most profit. Your head is in the clouds if you cannot grasp how AWS can help with match making and latency mitigation. WINBLOWS gaming is dead, grow a pair of thumbs! Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming... IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison. My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation. Steam is in trouble!
An FPS game server is basically the most uncachable thing in the world, especially in Dust where there's no per-server unique game assets(maps, models, textures, and the rest are distributed with the game via PSN, not at connect time to a game server). Most of what a game server does is keep track of client locations and relay those locations to other clients. How the hell do you cache that?
Answer: You can't.
What you need for a good FPS game server is pure speed, and that is exactly what EC2 doesn't have. Even assuming you had an FPS game server that was deployable as a multi-node cluster, EC2 will still be terrible because the networking between EC2 instances is slow and unreliable. You'd have to get a special setup with Amazon to ensure all your instances spin up within the same physical location in their datacenter, and at that price point you're better off going with real hardware.
But all that is besides the point, as I said Dust using/not using AWS is a non factor( and if they ARE using AWS, it's probably the reason certain maps always stall at certain parts of the game....).
SteamOS, just like their Linux and Mac ports, are crucial to avoid letting Microsoft define PC gaming. This is good for everyone. Even if SteamOS fails, Valve isn't going out of business any time soon, as they are probably the world's single largest distributor of non-mobile games.
I'm happy that your family is playing your PS4, and I'd be happy for a PS4 port in the future, but in the meantime, and for ease of development/deployment/growth, PC is where Dust needs to go to grow up.
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NoExsplosionsMgee
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Bump
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.02.22 06:00:00 -
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Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc?
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.02.22 06:01:00 -
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I've got all the shinies, still love dust.
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TerranKnight87
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc?
Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc.
It just doesn't look good lol.
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Heimdallr69
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol.
Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master
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Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol. Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4
Actually have a look through that. For gaming the ps4 is better hands down but they are both sht. Xbone is better for being a multi role machine that mimics a pc but at least the ps4 is focussed on gaming and therefore honest about how crap it is.
I don't have any preference as i prefer pc so i am not bias. I went for the one that is more focussed on gaming.
The review goes through everything about both and makes comparisons. The ps4 is better for gaming.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol. Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4Actually have a look through that. For gaming the ps4 is better hands down but they are both sht. Xbone is better for being a multi role machine that mimics a pc but at least the ps4 is focussed on gaming and therefore honest about how crap it is. I don't have any preference as i prefer pc so i am not bias. I went for the one that is more focussed on gaming. The review goes through everything about both and makes comparisons. The ps4 is better for gaming.
As someone who has all 4 my only regret is ps4 yes it's better for gaming but I use my Xbox one and vita 90% of the time the rest I dink around with mmorpg's on pc. I'm not the gamer I used to be, I like the relaxed playstyle now. I'm only 20 btw.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol. Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4Actually have a look through that. For gaming the ps4 is better hands down but they are both sht. Xbone is better for being a multi role machine that mimics a pc but at least the ps4 is focussed on gaming and therefore honest about how crap it is. I don't have any preference as i prefer pc so i am not bias. I went for the one that is more focussed on gaming. The review goes through everything about both and makes comparisons. The ps4 is better for gaming. As someone who has all 4 my only regret is ps4 yes it's better for gaming but I use my Xbox one and vita 90% of the time the rest I dink around with mmorpg's on pc. I'm not the gamer I used to be, I like the relaxed playstyle now. I'm only 20 btw.
Yeah it gets that way. I have started going off pc gaming a bit because console gaming is more relaxed. I've even started using my ds4 on my pc lol.
It's surprising how effective it is if you use xpadder.
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KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming... IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison. My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation. Steam is in trouble! An FPS game server is basically the most uncachable thing in the world, especially in Dust where there's no per-server unique game assets(maps, models, textures, and the rest are distributed with the game via PSN, not at connect time to a game server). Most of what a game server does is keep track of client locations and relay those locations to other clients. How the hell do you cache that? Answer: You can't. What you need for a good FPS game server is pure speed, and that is exactly what EC2 doesn't have. Even assuming you had an FPS game server that was deployable as a multi-node cluster, EC2 will still be terrible because the networking between EC2 instances is slow and unreliable. You'd have to get a special setup with Amazon to ensure all your instances spin up within the same physical location in their datacenter, and at that price point you're better off going with real hardware. But all that is besides the point, as I said Dust using/not using AWS is a non factor( and if they ARE using AWS, it's probably the reason certain maps always stall at certain parts of the game....). SteamOS, just like their Linux and Mac ports, are crucial to avoid letting Microsoft define PC gaming. This is good for everyone. Even if SteamOS fails, Valve isn't going out of business any time soon, as they are probably the world's single largest distributor of non-mobile games. I'm happy that your family is playing your PS4, and I'd be happy for a PS4 port in the future, but in the meantime, and for ease of development/deployment/growth, PC is where Dust needs to go to grow up.
Nerd!
But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles.
-Metal gear
-Final fantasy
-Mario
-Halo
-Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan
-Even COD
And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics.
You just need to target the American audience more effectively.
Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich.
A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles.
Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience.
Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before.
Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it.
Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off.
As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
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Meee One wrote:
But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles.
-Metal gear
-Final fantasy
-Mario
-Halo
-Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan
-Even COD
And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics.
You just need to target the American audience more effectively.
Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich.
A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles.
Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience.
Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before.
Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it.
Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off.
As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
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Meee One wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming... IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison. My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation. Steam is in trouble! An FPS game server is basically the most uncachable thing in the world, especially in Dust where there's no per-server unique game assets(maps, models, textures, and the rest are distributed with the game via PSN, not at connect time to a game server). Most of what a game server does is keep track of client locations and relay those locations to other clients. How the hell do you cache that? Answer: You can't. What you need for a good FPS game server is pure speed, and that is exactly what EC2 doesn't have. Even assuming you had an FPS game server that was deployable as a multi-node cluster, EC2 will still be terrible because the networking between EC2 instances is slow and unreliable. You'd have to get a special setup with Amazon to ensure all your instances spin up within the same physical location in their datacenter, and at that price point you're better off going with real hardware. But all that is besides the point, as I said Dust using/not using AWS is a non factor( and if they ARE using AWS, it's probably the reason certain maps always stall at certain parts of the game....). SteamOS, just like their Linux and Mac ports, are crucial to avoid letting Microsoft define PC gaming. This is good for everyone. Even if SteamOS fails, Valve isn't going out of business any time soon, as they are probably the world's single largest distributor of non-mobile games. I'm happy that your family is playing your PS4, and I'd be happy for a PS4 port in the future, but in the meantime, and for ease of development/deployment/growth, PC is where Dust needs to go to grow up. Nerd!But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles. -Metal gear -Final fantasy -Mario -Halo -Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan -Even COD And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics. You just need to target the American audience more effectively. Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich. A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles. Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience. Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before. Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it. Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off. As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
Are you seriously comparing that list of games to DUST?
Most of the games you listed are top-tier examples of the video game art form, and in the case of Mario and Halo, are system movers. Nintendo could make Mario for a toaster, and Nintendo will sell a billion toasters.
Dust is not in that league.
Dust is a game that is still in development, and that development is being hampered by the restrictions of developing on a console. Moving Dust to PC (for now) will let CCP develop the game at a much faster pace, on a platform much more familiar to them, and that will let them work out the major kinks before coming back to consoles with a much more mature and complete product.
In my mind, PS3 is the larval stage, PC will be the pupae, and PS4+PC will be the final form. But the game's not going to mature properly as long as CCP's caught in a back and forth with Sony for every release.
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Dust was a way to bring the New Eden Universe to consoles. With all its rich lore and deep gameplay. Making Legion PC only will make Legion grow, yes. In terms of content.
In player base? Not so much. I really doubt all of Eve players will download Legion. And if you think modded controllers are a problem, CCP will have to deal with a crap ton of hackers which will turn a lot of people off. Not to mention the F2P market is huge on PC, there are tons of better and more polished F2P games on PC which will leave Legion with a low player base, similar to what we have now.
The PS4 has been said to have a similar architecture to that of a PC, so I believe making Legion a PS4 game won't requiere as much hassle as making Dust a PS3 game was. Not to mention that developers can deploy patches at free will on the PS4 as well (or so I have heard) since the PS4 is a more open console than the PS3 is.
Either route is risky. Make Legion a PS4 game and benefit from the people that can't afford a PS+ meaning more players downloading Legion and playing it, while having to deal to upgrade their game every time a new console is out (which is like every so 8-10 years)
Or make Legion a PC game, competing with far more and better games on the F2P market, dealing with massives amounts of hackers which means they would requiere a very big team.
I say the PS4 is a better option.
And lets face it. You PC guys say that Legion being on console is bad because they need to keep "upgrading it" but you guys know that you will ask CCP to constantly upgrade the graphics and keep polishing gameplay as well.
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Bump.
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Bump.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Bump.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference.
Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked (3 weeks ago) a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors.
I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
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Why the f*ck are you playing on a console if framerate and performance matters?
Console peasants: 60 Hz screen with locked 30 frames/s, high input lag on TVs. High input lag on wireless controllers.
PC masterrace: 144 Hz screen with 1 ms input lag. 300 frames/s, unlocked, locked, g-synced or v-synced or no v-sync, if you want. 720p-4K resolutions. Low input lag on keyboards and mice.
And no, a decent PC does not cost $1000. You can get one for $500-600 that outperforms PS4 in BF4.
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
For the price of a ps4 you can build a desktop that is MUCH more efficient than the PS4. Buying a PS4 is quite a loss in terms of performance since PS4 hardware is already outdated by "last gen" PC hardware
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
I actually don't mind either a PC port or a PS4 port.
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Maken Tosch wrote:DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much. I actually don't mind either a PC port or a PS4 port.
I don't really mind either, so long as the game moves on to something better than what it is. The PC to me is ideal because there are far more PC owners than there are PS4 owners and the hardware is far easier and cheaper to upgrade.
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Ahrendee Inc.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels).
Moving the goal post, there. Console games generally aren't going for long-term persistence year-long investments into character progression and the like. Even Destiny didn't go in with the intent to last forever with constant updates and expansions, they're at least realistic in the medium they made the game for.
Dust 514? Project Legion? Same philosophy as Eve Online. Online and running as long as they can afford to do it and continually develop for it.
If you can find me one other console game that intended to run indefinitely in this same manner, with or without the consideration that their chosen medium (console) would eventually become outdated and replaced by something better, then we can say "by that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on PC".
Apples to Airplanes, yo.
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I despise next gen console gaming on a very dark level, and I would buy a ps4 if dust moved to it, especially if the alternative is letting it die... |
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels). Moving the goal post, there. Console games generally aren't going for long-term persistence year-long investments into character progression and the like. Even Destiny didn't go in with the intent to last forever with constant updates and expansions, they're at least realistic in the medium they made the game for. Dust 514? Project Legion? Same philosophy as Eve Online. Online and running as long as they can afford to do it and continually develop for it. If you can find me one other console game that intended to run indefinitely in this same manner, with or without the consideration that their chosen medium (console) would eventually become outdated and replaced by something better, then we can say "by that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on PC". Apples to Airplanes, yo. EDIT: The primary difference here is that on PC, CCP doesn't have to consult with Sony for every update or optimize for the use of outdated consoles; they can just look at what the majority of their PC clients are using and model the game - freely, I might add - to that standard. Just like they've done with Eve Online. Eve Online twelve years ago: http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/megathron.jpgEve Online today: http://images.gameskinny.com/gameskinny/89485ebe5fa5b9399d9be58c9f03990b.jpgNow imagine having to basically rebuild the entire game every-time a new console comes out with a new architecture instead of just updating the engine through the game launcher.
I also like the idea of One Client to Rule Them All, being able to launch my eve client, dust, and maybe one or two other eve toons at a time would be great, in fact I would say ideal, and then being able to tend them all at once from one control setup, rather than having to put down my controller to type a message to someone and let them know "hey the POS is being seiged, get your ships over here" or to say be able to launch my dust toon from the merc launcher while tackling someone to take down their ship and steal it from them.
EDIT: Yeah I know how much bad press this idea (merc launchers) has gotten 
EDIT: One Client and platform for a dev should be a goal to move towards, as it means only needing to have one large team pooling resources rather than dividing them by platform and distance, making better use of available resources.
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Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
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DJINN Jecture
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el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
If you want take a look harder at BF3 on PS3 and lag switching, modded controllers etc, it is not just the PC world that suffers from this kind of garbage gameplay but PS3s and XBoxes as well. In fact given that CCP employs anti-cheat coding I would guess that the kind of stuff you are suggesting would be rather limited and likely result in people DCing rather than continue due to whatever hack they have going on.
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
I'd prefer in on console so as not to potentially alienate the thousands of active and inactive players already here. that and the pc player base is huge but it's watered down over many more games.
I'd be fine with a pc port but im just thinking about the players.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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TerranKnight87
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el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
Yeah let pc have legion is what i'm thinking. I'll still be playing that or at least having a go anyway but it's defo going to have stiff competition soon anyway with all the stuff coming.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next year maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on the ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are not willing to invest in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow properly and look better. I'll be playing legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. WE love dust CCP and we'd like it to live on and not die eventually. Anyone who truly loves the game and has been here for a long time should understand how crucial this is. Quite simply, a lot of us are not interested in legion and there are plenty of games coming that are going to be just as good, if not better. Help me Obi Wan Rattati, you're our only hope.
heres something nice for you:
It was NEVER said that dust WONT be coming to PS4.
it WAS said that the idea behind legion was to get back to CCPs core tech, which means developing on PC which can then be ported to PS4 much more easily than porting to a system like PS3 that is INTENTIONALLY difficult and extremely expensive to develop for.
in fact, it was always rumor mill bs that legion was PC exclusive. and right now theyre focusing on ps3 so they can have the game as good as possible when they branch dust to other platforms. the only way it will get to ps4 is if they have funding to do so, however, so buy moar Aw-rim!
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Georgia Xavier
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Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless ties and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
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TerranKnight87
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
Sounds good. Something has to be done.
I had no intention of this being a pc vs ps4 thread as i have both. I just think dust is better off on console where it already has it's playerbase. I can't see pc & ps4 cross play going too well for the ps4 users either. I'd just play it on my pc if that happened to own the sht out of them as would anyone who is more experienced with pc.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next year maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on the ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are not willing to invest in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow properly and look better. I'll be playing legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. WE love dust CCP and we'd like it to live on and not die eventually. Anyone who truly loves the game and has been here for a long time should understand how crucial this is. Quite simply, a lot of us are not interested in legion and there are plenty of games coming that are going to be just as good, if not better. Help me Obi Wan Rattati, you're our only hope. heres something nice for you: It was NEVER said that dust WONT be coming to PS4. it WAS said that the idea behind legion was to get back to CCPs core tech, which means developing on PC which can then be ported to PS4 much more easily than porting to a system like PS3 that is INTENTIONALLY difficult and extremely expensive to develop for. in fact, it was always rumor mill bs that legion was PC exclusive. and right now theyre focusing on ps3 so they can have the game as good as possible when they branch dust to other platforms. the only way it will get to ps4 is if they have funding to do so, however, so buy moar Aw-rim! edit: now that thats cleared up, can these threads stop? i mean, seriously, everybody panics when a couple idiots shoot their mouths off, but how many of you ever read ANY of the legion forums? like the dev posts? like... idk, when rouge straight up said pc exclusivity is not a must and it may be put on other systems... or how about keeping up with the occurrences at fanfest where TEH F*KIN CEO OF CCP said that dust is profitable for once and theyre looking at where the game is going to go moving forward from PS3. dust is not dying or dead. cut this chicken little crap and try to help reinforce the much needed positivity instead of convincing people that dust is going nowhere. the only time dust was actually in danger of dying was when we were told no more updates and you know what? i cant blame them for that. the fanbase was rabid, greedy, stingy, & rude as hell
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome.
its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to.
and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option.
now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC.
why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory.
remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE.
and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is.
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TerranKnight87
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome. its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to. and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option. now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC. why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory. remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE. and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is.
I'm inclined to think anyone who is either side of the fence who doesn't have both platforms is a bum and probably never put much money into the game anyway.
I don't think it will take much to outshine 'call of doody' and battlefield.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Georgia Xavier
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome. its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to. and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option. now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC. why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory. remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE. and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is. I'm inclined to think anyone who is either side of the fence who doesn't have both platforms is a bum and probably never put much money into the game anyway. I don't think it will take much to outshine 'call of doody' and battlefield. I think those are also only so popular on ps4 and xjoke as they are one of the limited actual games available really.
Well I know we have to look at things realisticly but I like to assume dust will get to a point where porting to another platform won't be a problem. One can dream......
There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
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Greiv Rabbah
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TerranKnight87 wrote:
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
it means all the players running around screaming "dust is dead, the playerbase is falling, the devs are going to leave us behind and move to pc/not move to pc/why wont it come to ps4" (yah im lookin at you) are going to kill the game when we, the players who actually care about the future development of dust should be the ones letting people know that dust actually is in a really good state, playerbase has stabilized, game is making money, development is on a good track, the game will outlive the ps3 etc.
you want to see dust on ps4? let this thread die and make a new one, but instead of focusing on whether theyre going to develop for your platform of choice, focus on "realistically, what can be done to help dust come to my platform of choice when the time comes?"
and for the love of god, if you dont want dust to shrivel up and die, put money into the game. free games dont fund themselves, and aying 5$ once or twice doesnt count. this game has gotten steady development for years and has seen improvements, rebalancing, and engine upgrades the likes of which console games never see, and its done it multiple times over.
if you still have anything to spend aurum on instead of stockpiling it, you arent helping fund the game. idk if that describes anyone here or not, i'm just saying.
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el OPERATOR
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DJINN Jecture wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over. If you want take a look harder at BF3 on PS3 and lag switching, modded controllers etc, it is not just the PC world that suffers from this kind of garbage gameplay but PS3s and XBoxes as well. In fact given that CCP employs anti-cheat coding I would guess that the kind of stuff you are suggesting would be rather limited and likely result in people DCing rather than continue due to whatever hack they have going on.
There really isn't an "etc" after lag switches or turbo controllers. DDOS could count but since this console plays through Sony's network there's an extra layer of objective protection from that. Does/can it happen? Sure. But if/when it does there're considerably more alarmbells and punitive elements in place to correct for it. Compared to not just controller mods but hardware mods AND software mods (wallhacks, aimbots etc) that are RAMPANT in online PC gaming. Between the two its a no-contest and a no-brainer that closed console networks and standarized hardware is the better forum for this.
BTW: That "Chicken Little" reference is to an old childrens story about a chicken (Chicken Little) who got hit on the head by a falling branch or something but thought it was tye sky falling so he ran around creating a panic about the sky falling. SPOILER ALERT- Wait, I don't remember the ending, so no spoiler. Crisis Averted.
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TerranKnight87
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
it means all the players running around screaming "dust is dead, the playerbase is falling, the devs are going to leave us behind and move to pc/not move to pc/why wont it come to ps4" (yah im lookin at you) are going to kill the game when we, the players who actually care about the future development of dust should be the ones letting people know that dust actually is in a really good state, playerbase has stabilized, game is making money, development is on a good track, the game will outlive the ps3 etc. you want to see dust on ps4? let this thread die and make a new one, but instead of focusing on whether theyre going to develop for your platform of choice, focus on "realistically, what can be done to help dust come to my platform of choice when the time comes?" and for the love of god, if you dont want dust to shrivel up and die, put money into the game. free games dont fund themselves, and aying 5$ once or twice doesnt count. this game has gotten steady development for years and has seen improvements, rebalancing, and engine upgrades the likes of which console games never see, and its done it multiple times over. if you still have anything to spend aurum on instead of stockpiling it, you arent helping fund the game. idk if that describes anyone here or not, i'm just saying.
If you'd like to do that rather than telling me to then be my guest.
I've also spent -ú1000, maybe more on dust with my main so please dont assume pure crap. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Also if anyone did stockpile aurum, it wouldn't matter as they'd have already made the purchase but i have never known anyone to do that.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust The playerbase is falling.
If YOU would like to make a thread the way YOU would like then be my guest. If it's any good then i'll support it. If you cba then by all means, stfu lol.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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el OPERATOR wrote:DJINN Jecture wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over. If you want take a look harder at BF3 on PS3 and lag switching, modded controllers etc, it is not just the PC world that suffers from this kind of garbage gameplay but PS3s and XBoxes as well. In fact given that CCP employs anti-cheat coding I would guess that the kind of stuff you are suggesting would be rather limited and likely result in people DCing rather than continue due to whatever hack they have going on. There really isn't an "etc" after lag switches or turbo controllers. DDOS could count but since this console plays through Sony's network there's an extra layer of objective protection from that. Does/can it happen? Sure. But if/when it does there're considerably more alarmbells and punitive elements in place to correct for it. Compared to not just controller mods but hardware mods AND software mods (wallhacks, aimbots etc) that are RAMPANT in online PC gaming. Between the two its a no-contest and a no-brainer that closed console networks and standarized hardware is the better forum for this. BTW: That "Chicken Little" reference is to an old childrens story about a chicken (Chicken Little) who got hit on the head by a falling branch or something but thought it was tye sky falling so he ran around creating a panic about the sky falling. SPOILER ALERT- Wait, I don't remember the ending, so no spoiler. Crisis Averted.
2005 is not old and i dont think ill ever be watching that lol.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah
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el OPERATOR thanks for clarifying that for everybody. crisis averted.
TerranKnight87 all right, suppose i owe you an apology. when i first read it, it did seem like a PC vs PS4 thread and theres only like a million of those already.
aeon amadi good to see you settled down and came back to us. that comparison with the pics was a perfect example of what i'm saying. Dust can see the amount of growth EVE has enjoyed and having a graphic that illustrates just how massive that growth can be puts everything in perspective a bit i think.
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Greiv Rabbah
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TerranKnight87 wrote:2005 is not old and i dont think ill ever be watching that lol.
[:flabbergasted:] wow uh... you really dont know it was a childrens story? like... forever ago?
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:el OPERATOR thanks for clarifying that for everybody. crisis averted.
TerranKnight87 all right, suppose i owe you an apology. when i first read it, it did seem like a PC vs PS4 thread and theres only like a million of those already.
aeon amadi good to see you settled down and came back to us. that comparison with the pics was a perfect example of what i'm saying. Dust can see the amount of growth EVE has enjoyed and having a graphic that illustrates just how massive that growth can be puts everything in perspective a bit i think.
That's ok.
Apology accepted. I have spent a sht load on this game already and have already done the whole 'spend for the good of the game' thing.
I have also at every chance spoken of wanting much stronger ties to eve. I have always said that eve pilots should be running the show and owning the territories and such but people generally wanted a lobby type shooter with little - no ties to eve which limits the game more than dust omly players could ever imagine.
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:44:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:2005 is not old and i dont think ill ever be watching that lol. [:flabbergasted:] wow uh... you really dont know it was a childrens story? like... forever ago?
Ah i see there it's a 1943 classic.
No. I liked beartrix potters peter rabbit, paddington bear, thomas the tank engine and **** like that.
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
it means all the players running around screaming "dust is dead, the playerbase is falling, the devs are going to leave us behind and move to pc/not move to pc/why wont it come to ps4" (yah im lookin at you) are going to kill the game when we, the players who actually care about the future development of dust should be the ones letting people know that dust actually is in a really good state, playerbase has stabilized, game is making money, development is on a good track, the game will outlive the ps3 etc. you want to see dust on ps4? let this thread die and make a new one, but instead of focusing on whether theyre going to develop for your platform of choice, focus on "realistically, what can be done to help dust come to my platform of choice when the time comes?" and for the love of god, if you dont want dust to shrivel up and die, put money into the game. free games dont fund themselves, and aying 5$ once or twice doesnt count. this game has gotten steady development for years and has seen improvements, rebalancing, and engine upgrades the likes of which console games never see, and its done it multiple times over. if you still have anything to spend aurum on instead of stockpiling it, you arent helping fund the game. idk if that describes anyone here or not, i'm just saying. If you'd like to do that rather than telling me to then be my guest. I've also spent -ú1000, maybe more on dust with my main so please dont assume pure crap. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Also if anyone did stockpile aurum, it wouldn't matter as they'd have already made the purchase but i have never known anyone to do that. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust The playerbase is falling. If YOU would like to make a thread the way YOU would like then be my guest. If it's any good then i'll support it. If you cba then by all means, stfu lol.
no i'm not going to make a "what can i do to bring dust to ps4" thread for you. i personally wont be giving sony any more of my money, so id rather see the dev team actually tap out the ps3's capabilities now that theyve gotten better at developing for it before they move on to another system that i may or may not be following them with.
i didnt assume that you havent spent decent money on this game. i specifically said idk whether anyone here is the "buy 5$ of aur and then QQ" crowd or not. which is literally the exact opposite of assuming
and congrats. now you know someone that hit the point where they had nothing left to buy and kept paying into it.
i still want the game to grow even though i've bought all the packs, got all the sp i need, got my warbarge fully upgraded, got all the blueprints i want (quafe weapons excluded bc i have horrible luck), bought all the special color outfits, bought fistful after ever-loving fistful of keys, and have nothing left to do but stockpile aurum.
dont take that the wrong way. i'm thrilled to hear that youve payed a good amount in the game. without ppl like us funding it, this gme wouldnt get much anywhere
the playerbase is holding pretty steady and seeing new players each day. do all of them stay? no, most get protostomped and quit after a handful of matches, but overall, while its not trending upward like eve consistenly does, its also not falling through the floor like ppl act.
and its not cant be arsed. i'm doing my thing, haunting threads and trying to keep the mood about this game a positive one, as the community atmosphere in a lot of ways needs help imo.
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Greiv Rabbah
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:55:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:2005 is not old and i dont think ill ever be watching that lol. [:flabbergasted:] wow uh... you really dont know it was a childrens story? like... forever ago? Ah i see there it's a 1943 classic. No. I liked beartrix potters peter rabbit, paddington bear, thomas the tank engine and **** like that.
i didnt like chicken little. i thought it was idiotic...
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TerranKnight87
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
it means all the players running around screaming "dust is dead, the playerbase is falling, the devs are going to leave us behind and move to pc/not move to pc/why wont it come to ps4" (yah im lookin at you) are going to kill the game when we, the players who actually care about the future development of dust should be the ones letting people know that dust actually is in a really good state, playerbase has stabilized, game is making money, development is on a good track, the game will outlive the ps3 etc. you want to see dust on ps4? let this thread die and make a new one, but instead of focusing on whether theyre going to develop for your platform of choice, focus on "realistically, what can be done to help dust come to my platform of choice when the time comes?" and for the love of god, if you dont want dust to shrivel up and die, put money into the game. free games dont fund themselves, and aying 5$ once or twice doesnt count. this game has gotten steady development for years and has seen improvements, rebalancing, and engine upgrades the likes of which console games never see, and its done it multiple times over. if you still have anything to spend aurum on instead of stockpiling it, you arent helping fund the game. idk if that describes anyone here or not, i'm just saying. If you'd like to do that rather than telling me to then be my guest. I've also spent -ú1000, maybe more on dust with my main so please dont assume pure crap. You're preaching to the choir on that one. Also if anyone did stockpile aurum, it wouldn't matter as they'd have already made the purchase but i have never known anyone to do that. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust The playerbase is falling. If YOU would like to make a thread the way YOU would like then be my guest. If it's any good then i'll support it. If you cba then by all means, stfu lol. no i'm not going to make a "what can i do to bring dust to ps4" thread for you. i personally wont be giving sony any more of my money, so id rather see the dev team actually tap out the ps3's capabilities now that theyve gotten better at developing for it before they move on to another system that i may or may not be following them with. i didnt assume that you havent spent decent money on this game. i specifically said idk whether anyone here is the "buy 5$ of aur and then QQ" crowd or not. which is literally the exact opposite of assuming and congrats. now you know someone that hit the point where they had nothing left to buy and kept paying into it. i still want the game to grow even though i've bought all the packs, got all the sp i need, got my warbarge fully upgraded, got all the blueprints i want (quafe weapons excluded bc i have horrible luck), bought all the special color outfits, bought fistful after ever-loving fistful of keys, and have nothing left to do but stockpile aurum. dont take that the wrong way. i'm thrilled to hear that youve payed a good amount in the game. without ppl like us funding it, this gme wouldnt get much anywhere the playerbase is holding pretty steady and seeing new players each day. do all of them stay? no, most get protostomped and quit after a handful of matches, but overall, while its not trending upward like eve consistenly does, its also not falling through the floor like ppl act. and its not cant be arsed. i'm doing my thing, haunting threads and trying to keep the mood about this game a positive one, as the community atmosphere in a lot of ways needs help imo.
My idea for dust is that eve pilots would control and own the territories in pc but they'd have to hire dust mercs to attack/guard them.They'd have to ship them as well in eve time for jumps, not magic times. Dust mercs could take the districts if they wanted and hold them to ransom or some sht BUT they'd have no way to get off the planet without getting in touch with other eve pilots so there'dd be some kind of drawback. They could earn standings with eve corps to gain access to items made by eve pilots cheap and better items the higher their standings get. Their standings could become so high that they become an official soldier of x eve corp but they;d not be tied to it so they wouldn;t be stuck. So much more as well and as you play eve you can imagine how much more there could be to the game. It would make pc very dynamic and eve pilots can easily protect their territories by blowing up transport ships and such.
There'd be fw and pubs on the side for people who are not so hardcore as well. PC should have been mega hardcore for only the truly deidcated to New Eden crowd. Not some leet scab mode for bragging rights i reckon. PC was some amazing technical feat but it means jack to the players.
Great for CCPs portfolio though.
I don't know i'll think about making a better thread but i don't see much point.
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Greiv Rabbah
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thats pretty much what i expected the eventual game to be. did you read the eve books and dust fiction? they set such a good stage, describing the life on the planets and then... well, you see how it turned out. i dont really like that aspect, but i believe it has the potential.
as a scout in eve, i wanted to scout in dust. not just be target practice, but actually really scout. to explore, and track down ruins or drone hives and whatnot. to take and fortify districts that eggers with levels in planetology could build command bases on for us to fortify. for us to use the plants on the planets to build ship equipment that could be sold of the secondary market of dust legend. to pick up high sec contracts for megacorps to complete missions for pubs, to fight off the incursion planetside in FW. to pick up contracts from capsuleer corps to complete an objective and put out contracts for pick up and drop off at planets.
to be ferried planetside in dropships or deploy from player owned MCCs.
to zoom past an enemy base, light them up with scans, and cloak my scout lav before hopping out to get in flanking position while my squad marches toward.
to stomp across the battlefield in an MTAC fitted with a gatling gun turret and a target painter, lighting up foes in an epic blaze of glory, salvaging the scraps, and heading back to base(or a nearby station if the facilities arent available on-world) to build drones to sell or stock up for personal use.
i bought hook line and sinker into the EVE for PS3 version of Dust 514 that CCP set us up for.
i still get excited thinking about it. i still want to see it happen someday.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:thats pretty much what i expected the eventual game to be. did you read the eve books and dust fiction? they set such a good stage, describing the life on the planets and then... well, you see how it turned out. i dont really like that aspect, but i believe it has the potential.
as a scout in eve, i wanted to scout in dust. not just be target practice, but actually really scout. to explore, and track down ruins or drone hives and whatnot. to take and fortify districts that eggers with levels in planetology could build command bases on for us to fortify. for us to use the plants on the planets to build ship equipment that could be sold of the secondary market of dust legend. to pick up high sec contracts for megacorps to complete missions for pubs, to fight off the incursion planetside in FW. to pick up contracts from capsuleer corps to complete an objective and put out contracts for pick up and drop off at planets.
to be ferried planetside in dropships or deploy from player owned MCCs.
to zoom past an enemy base, light them up with scans, and cloak my scout lav before hopping out to get in flanking position while my squad marches toward.
to stomp across the battlefield in an MTAC fitted with a gatling gun turret and a target painter, lighting up foes in an epic blaze of glory, salvaging the scraps, and heading back to base(or a nearby station if the facilities arent available on-world) to build drones to sell or stock up for personal use.
i bought hook line and sinker into the EVE for PS3 version of Dust 514 that CCP set us up for.
i still get excited thinking about it. i still want to see it happen someday.
No i've not read any of the books.
Yeah defo. The thing most dusters don't realise is that there'd be more content and things to do if eve pilots ran it like that. It would still be the same game but there'd be more to do, see and it would actually mean something kind of thing and actually have impact and such in New Eden rather than what we have now.
CCP went off track i think by trying to fit New Eden in with dust rather than fitting dust in with New Eden.
Result - Time consuming lobby shooter with a forum that has more depth than the actual game lol.
I'm going offline now so i'll reply to anything tomorrow.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah
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Posted - 2015.03.28 02:22:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:thats pretty much what i expected the eventual game to be. did you read the eve books and dust fiction? they set such a good stage, describing the life on the planets and then... well, you see how it turned out. i dont really like that aspect, but i believe it has the potential.
as a scout in eve, i wanted to scout in dust. not just be target practice, but actually really scout. to explore, and track down ruins or drone hives and whatnot. to take and fortify districts that eggers with levels in planetology could build command bases on for us to fortify. for us to use the plants on the planets to build ship equipment that could be sold of the secondary market of dust legend. to pick up high sec contracts for megacorps to complete missions for pubs, to fight off the incursion planetside in FW. to pick up contracts from capsuleer corps to complete an objective and put out contracts for pick up and drop off at planets.
to be ferried planetside in dropships or deploy from player owned MCCs.
to zoom past an enemy base, light them up with scans, and cloak my scout lav before hopping out to get in flanking position while my squad marches toward.
to stomp across the battlefield in an MTAC fitted with a gatling gun turret and a target painter, lighting up foes in an epic blaze of glory, salvaging the scraps, and heading back to base(or a nearby station if the facilities arent available on-world) to build drones to sell or stock up for personal use.
i bought hook line and sinker into the EVE for PS3 version of Dust 514 that CCP set us up for.
i still get excited thinking about it. i still want to see it happen someday. No i've not read any of the books. Yeah defo. The thing most dusters don't realise is that there'd be more content and things to do if eve pilots ran it like that. It would still be the same game but there'd be more to do, see and it would actually mean something kind of thing and actually have impact and such in New Eden rather than what we have now. CCP went off track i think by trying to fit New Eden in with dust rather than fitting dust in with New Eden. Result - Time consuming lobby shooter with a forum that has more depth than the actual game lol. I'm going offline now so i'll reply to anything tomorrow.
^this.
But one of the things hurting this game is all the QQ forcing devs to waste precious dev time rebalancing things to death instead of implementing needed features that would attract new players and actually satisfy vets a bit.
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Summa Militum
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TerranKnight87 wrote:http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are not willing to invest in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. .
Damn! Can't really argue against this idea when you look at the graphs. I say CCP should go for it.
Right now I will be willing to buy a PS4 in order to keep playing this game.
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