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Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:00:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol. Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4Actually have a look through that. For gaming the ps4 is better hands down but they are both sht. Xbone is better for being a multi role machine that mimics a pc but at least the ps4 is focussed on gaming and therefore honest about how crap it is. I don't have any preference as i prefer pc so i am not bias. I went for the one that is more focussed on gaming. The review goes through everything about both and makes comparisons. The ps4 is better for gaming.
As someone who has all 4 my only regret is ps4 yes it's better for gaming but I use my Xbox one and vita 90% of the time the rest I dink around with mmorpg's on pc. I'm not the gamer I used to be, I like the relaxed playstyle now. I'm only 20 btw.
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:41:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Ps4/pc/Xbox one
I don't really care as long as it's on one. Though with Xbox could it be cross platform with pc? Maybe but xbox one isn't realistic and no doubt we'd have our accounts wiped if we could even have them at all. Plus my windows phone can do most of the **** the xbox one can do so what's left is a sub par platform compared to the ps4 which is just a sht pc. It just doesn't look good lol. Xbox one is better than ps4... Vita is better than both.. PC is still master http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4Actually have a look through that. For gaming the ps4 is better hands down but they are both sht. Xbone is better for being a multi role machine that mimics a pc but at least the ps4 is focussed on gaming and therefore honest about how crap it is. I don't have any preference as i prefer pc so i am not bias. I went for the one that is more focussed on gaming. The review goes through everything about both and makes comparisons. The ps4 is better for gaming. As someone who has all 4 my only regret is ps4 yes it's better for gaming but I use my Xbox one and vita 90% of the time the rest I dink around with mmorpg's on pc. I'm not the gamer I used to be, I like the relaxed playstyle now. I'm only 20 btw.
Yeah it gets that way. I have started going off pc gaming a bit because console gaming is more relaxed. I've even started using my ds4 on my pc lol.
It's surprising how effective it is if you use xpadder.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
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Posted - 2015.02.22 16:46:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming... IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison. My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation. Steam is in trouble! An FPS game server is basically the most uncachable thing in the world, especially in Dust where there's no per-server unique game assets(maps, models, textures, and the rest are distributed with the game via PSN, not at connect time to a game server). Most of what a game server does is keep track of client locations and relay those locations to other clients. How the hell do you cache that? Answer: You can't. What you need for a good FPS game server is pure speed, and that is exactly what EC2 doesn't have. Even assuming you had an FPS game server that was deployable as a multi-node cluster, EC2 will still be terrible because the networking between EC2 instances is slow and unreliable. You'd have to get a special setup with Amazon to ensure all your instances spin up within the same physical location in their datacenter, and at that price point you're better off going with real hardware. But all that is besides the point, as I said Dust using/not using AWS is a non factor( and if they ARE using AWS, it's probably the reason certain maps always stall at certain parts of the game....). SteamOS, just like their Linux and Mac ports, are crucial to avoid letting Microsoft define PC gaming. This is good for everyone. Even if SteamOS fails, Valve isn't going out of business any time soon, as they are probably the world's single largest distributor of non-mobile games. I'm happy that your family is playing your PS4, and I'd be happy for a PS4 port in the future, but in the meantime, and for ease of development/deployment/growth, PC is where Dust needs to go to grow up.
Nerd!
But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles.
-Metal gear
-Final fantasy
-Mario
-Halo
-Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan
-Even COD
And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics.
You just need to target the American audience more effectively.
Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich.
A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles.
Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience.
Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before.
Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it.
Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off.
As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
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Mister Goo
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.22 18:07:00 -
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Meee One wrote:
But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles.
-Metal gear
-Final fantasy
-Mario
-Halo
-Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan
-Even COD
And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics.
You just need to target the American audience more effectively.
Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich.
A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles.
Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience.
Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before.
Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it.
Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off.
As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
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KA24DERT
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.02.22 22:05:00 -
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Meee One wrote:KA24DERT wrote:GLOBAL RAGE wrote:KA24DERT wrote:Actually AWS's EC2 instances are pretty famous for having terrible performance and IO in general, especially for their smaller instances. It's so bad they actually started advertising "Fast Network" on their extra large instances, for the low price of $200 a month. A dedicated server or "Private Cloud" is a much better fit for game server hosting. I've tested EC2 myself, it's not that great, there are cheaper and faster options out there. Also, Steam is trying very hard to transcend windows, and their populations are pretty healthy for being dead: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/There's 8 million people online currently, never mind the people who have their machines off, or who have their Steam client closed, or the people who aren't using Steam for gaming... IO off an array, a dust server is probably cacheable so I'd question the comparison. My family has a number of steam accounts and our ps3's and 4's are much more active. The steamOS is in danger of becoming a disaster, if not already a fiasco of monumental proportions. How much longer will the folks at companies like ASUS and Gigabyte stay silent after their 10's of millions of invested capital languish in perpetual stagnation. Steam is in trouble! An FPS game server is basically the most uncachable thing in the world, especially in Dust where there's no per-server unique game assets(maps, models, textures, and the rest are distributed with the game via PSN, not at connect time to a game server). Most of what a game server does is keep track of client locations and relay those locations to other clients. How the hell do you cache that? Answer: You can't. What you need for a good FPS game server is pure speed, and that is exactly what EC2 doesn't have. Even assuming you had an FPS game server that was deployable as a multi-node cluster, EC2 will still be terrible because the networking between EC2 instances is slow and unreliable. You'd have to get a special setup with Amazon to ensure all your instances spin up within the same physical location in their datacenter, and at that price point you're better off going with real hardware. But all that is besides the point, as I said Dust using/not using AWS is a non factor( and if they ARE using AWS, it's probably the reason certain maps always stall at certain parts of the game....). SteamOS, just like their Linux and Mac ports, are crucial to avoid letting Microsoft define PC gaming. This is good for everyone. Even if SteamOS fails, Valve isn't going out of business any time soon, as they are probably the world's single largest distributor of non-mobile games. I'm happy that your family is playing your PS4, and I'd be happy for a PS4 port in the future, but in the meantime, and for ease of development/deployment/growth, PC is where Dust needs to go to grow up. Nerd!But seriously,look how many games have made money on consoles. -Metal gear -Final fantasy -Mario -Halo -Resident Evil Aka biohazard in japan -Even COD And as all these games prove,you don't need top teir graphics. You just need to target the American audience more effectively. Look at PSY-Gungnam style,Americans couldn't understand a word of it,but it sounded good and made him rich. A port and targeted ads are what Dust needs,not to retreat because they're scared of consoles. Dust,right now,is making gaming history as the first transgaming experience. Firsts are never easy otherwise someone would've done it before. Dust can be a shining star in the possibility of games with CCP getting publicity for it. Or can be the stain of 'what if' because they pull out before it takes off. As i said before firsts aren't easy,but will be the most rewarding for those that overcome the challenge.
Are you seriously comparing that list of games to DUST?
Most of the games you listed are top-tier examples of the video game art form, and in the case of Mario and Halo, are system movers. Nintendo could make Mario for a toaster, and Nintendo will sell a billion toasters.
Dust is not in that league.
Dust is a game that is still in development, and that development is being hampered by the restrictions of developing on a console. Moving Dust to PC (for now) will let CCP develop the game at a much faster pace, on a platform much more familiar to them, and that will let them work out the major kinks before coming back to consoles with a much more mature and complete product.
In my mind, PS3 is the larval stage, PC will be the pupae, and PS4+PC will be the final form. But the game's not going to mature properly as long as CCP's caught in a back and forth with Sony for every release.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.02.22 23:14:00 -
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Dust was a way to bring the New Eden Universe to consoles. With all its rich lore and deep gameplay. Making Legion PC only will make Legion grow, yes. In terms of content.
In player base? Not so much. I really doubt all of Eve players will download Legion. And if you think modded controllers are a problem, CCP will have to deal with a crap ton of hackers which will turn a lot of people off. Not to mention the F2P market is huge on PC, there are tons of better and more polished F2P games on PC which will leave Legion with a low player base, similar to what we have now.
The PS4 has been said to have a similar architecture to that of a PC, so I believe making Legion a PS4 game won't requiere as much hassle as making Dust a PS3 game was. Not to mention that developers can deploy patches at free will on the PS4 as well (or so I have heard) since the PS4 is a more open console than the PS3 is.
Either route is risky. Make Legion a PS4 game and benefit from the people that can't afford a PS+ meaning more players downloading Legion and playing it, while having to deal to upgrade their game every time a new console is out (which is like every so 8-10 years)
Or make Legion a PC game, competing with far more and better games on the F2P market, dealing with massives amounts of hackers which means they would requiere a very big team.
I say the PS4 is a better option.
And lets face it. You PC guys say that Legion being on console is bad because they need to keep "upgrading it" but you guys know that you will ask CCP to constantly upgrade the graphics and keep polishing gameplay as well.
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.17 10:45:00 -
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Bump.
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NoExsplosionsMgee
Rebels New Republic
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.17 20:44:00 -
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.21 10:17:00 -
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Bump.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:32:00 -
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Bump.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:37:00 -
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DJINN Jecture
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:42:00 -
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Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference.
Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked (3 weeks ago) a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors.
I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
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Abandoned Privilege
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Posted - 2015.03.25 13:10:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
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Why the f*ck are you playing on a console if framerate and performance matters?
Console peasants: 60 Hz screen with locked 30 frames/s, high input lag on TVs. High input lag on wireless controllers.
PC masterrace: 144 Hz screen with 1 ms input lag. 300 frames/s, unlocked, locked, g-synced or v-synced or no v-sync, if you want. 720p-4K resolutions. Low input lag on keyboards and mice.
And no, a decent PC does not cost $1000. You can get one for $500-600 that outperforms PS4 in BF4.
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:13:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:i aint spending over 1000 dollars on a PC and i am not playing with low performance either. I am a competitive player. I just dont have the luxury to spend over 1000-2000 dollars on something that is really not needed. Most of the people who want dust in PC is because they have a PC already.
For the price of a ps4 you can build a desktop that is MUCH more efficient than the PS4. Buying a PS4 is quite a loss in terms of performance since PS4 hardware is already outdated by "last gen" PC hardware
There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.03.25 15:06:00 -
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
I actually don't mind either a PC port or a PS4 port.
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DJINN Jecture
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much. I actually don't mind either a PC port or a PS4 port.
I don't really mind either, so long as the game moves on to something better than what it is. The PC to me is ideal because there are far more PC owners than there are PS4 owners and the hardware is far easier and cheaper to upgrade.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.03.26 07:39:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels).
Moving the goal post, there. Console games generally aren't going for long-term persistence year-long investments into character progression and the like. Even Destiny didn't go in with the intent to last forever with constant updates and expansions, they're at least realistic in the medium they made the game for.
Dust 514? Project Legion? Same philosophy as Eve Online. Online and running as long as they can afford to do it and continually develop for it.
If you can find me one other console game that intended to run indefinitely in this same manner, with or without the consideration that their chosen medium (console) would eventually become outdated and replaced by something better, then we can say "by that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on PC".
Apples to Airplanes, yo.
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korrah silain
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2015.03.26 08:35:00 -
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I despise next gen console gaming on a very dark level, and I would buy a ps4 if dust moved to it, especially if the alternative is letting it die... |
DJINN Jecture
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Posted - 2015.03.26 15:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:PS3 production stops in March next year... Yes, time to get busy with the PS4.
The world is advancing, don't let Dust 514 fall behind. So the logical conclusion is to make it on another console that in eight years will be replaced (even though the hardware on it is already out-dated) and we'll be right back in the same situation? By that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on pc. Console is always outdated but it is what it is, it's not going anywhere (Lol true on many levels). Moving the goal post, there. Console games generally aren't going for long-term persistence year-long investments into character progression and the like. Even Destiny didn't go in with the intent to last forever with constant updates and expansions, they're at least realistic in the medium they made the game for. Dust 514? Project Legion? Same philosophy as Eve Online. Online and running as long as they can afford to do it and continually develop for it. If you can find me one other console game that intended to run indefinitely in this same manner, with or without the consideration that their chosen medium (console) would eventually become outdated and replaced by something better, then we can say "by that logic the console industry should shut down and everything should be on PC". Apples to Airplanes, yo. EDIT: The primary difference here is that on PC, CCP doesn't have to consult with Sony for every update or optimize for the use of outdated consoles; they can just look at what the majority of their PC clients are using and model the game - freely, I might add - to that standard. Just like they've done with Eve Online. Eve Online twelve years ago: http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/megathron.jpgEve Online today: http://images.gameskinny.com/gameskinny/89485ebe5fa5b9399d9be58c9f03990b.jpgNow imagine having to basically rebuild the entire game every-time a new console comes out with a new architecture instead of just updating the engine through the game launcher.
I also like the idea of One Client to Rule Them All, being able to launch my eve client, dust, and maybe one or two other eve toons at a time would be great, in fact I would say ideal, and then being able to tend them all at once from one control setup, rather than having to put down my controller to type a message to someone and let them know "hey the POS is being seiged, get your ships over here" or to say be able to launch my dust toon from the merc launcher while tackling someone to take down their ship and steal it from them.
EDIT: Yeah I know how much bad press this idea (merc launchers) has gotten 
EDIT: One Client and platform for a dev should be a goal to move towards, as it means only needing to have one large team pooling resources rather than dividing them by platform and distance, making better use of available resources.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
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Posted - 2015.03.26 17:57:00 -
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Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
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DJINN Jecture
MANUFACTURERS OF DEATH
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:43:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
If you want take a look harder at BF3 on PS3 and lag switching, modded controllers etc, it is not just the PC world that suffers from this kind of garbage gameplay but PS3s and XBoxes as well. In fact given that CCP employs anti-cheat coding I would guess that the kind of stuff you are suggesting would be rather limited and likely result in people DCing rather than continue due to whatever hack they have going on.
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TerranKnight87
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DJINN Jecture wrote:Well for those of you complaining that if its on the computer you wouldn't be able to use a controller get your Google Search out and find out how. It too can happen, and those of you saying but my PS4 costs me so much less, I will put to you that a good GFX card for your computer is less still than a PS4 and that combined with hooking it up to your 72" LCD TV via HDMI or VGA cable will get you the new console feel with the high end performance you are looking for at a marginal cost difference. Port to PC is the way to go, I know several months back I said the opposite but its amazing what can happen when the costs of both items drop dramatically every 3-6 months, wait that's likely just computers, not consoles. I'll do another price comparison, but last time I checked a PS4 still costs around $450 in my area, while a decent NVidia GFX card recently cost me just over $100. This upgrade allows me to play both PS2 and Eve Online at the same time with no tearing or frame-rate loss on multiple monitors. I'm really not understanding the issue with moving to a computer over a console. Is it comfort zone for the current audience? I know of many players who play all the console games mentioned in this thread on their PCs and seem to enjoy the games just as much.
I'd prefer in on console so as not to potentially alienate the thousands of active and inactive players already here. that and the pc player base is huge but it's watered down over many more games.
I'd be fine with a pc port but im just thinking about the players.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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TerranKnight87
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el OPERATOR wrote:Haven't read the entire thread and probably commented proPS4 already, I usually do with threads like this.
Quick note though about PC vs PS4-
The PS4 is a standardized platform whose hardware mostly is identical between different users. This means players play amongst themselves with few to no hardware-based advantages . That newest overclocked whatever that comes to market every 3 weeks has NO bearing on the competition that occurs within PS4s and their network of players.
I personally got OUT of PC gaming years ago because the whole chasing the newest doodad to hit the PC market just to stay competitive at the same level got old, quick. I cannot describe how...liberating it was to fire up my first PS2 or my Xbox, open a game with multiplayer and then play without glaring imbalances from different hardware OR w/e the FOTW hax that were out being all over those games. Win, lose or draw the games that were played were played on skill and skill alone as much as reasonably possible.
This something that cannot be ignored: PS2, BF4, BF3, CoD etc do NOT share a fundamental concept with DUST and that is the concept of ownership. We spend weeks or months progressing, earning and spending SP and ISK to outfit ourselves and finally PC for districts. BF et al. are PvP yes, but the matches are just for EoM stats and once the battle is over it doesn't what happened there. New Eden is not like this, outside of pubs, who wins and who loses matters overall because it affects that possession element. There will be nothing worse in the world of gaming than to have a mission-critical PC match (for example) go to **** because (since its on PC) players are piping in those ddos' and all their scripthax from their uber-modded PCs.
Seriously, if the price of stability and worthwhile gaming is just $400 , done and done. Game Over.
Yeah let pc have legion is what i'm thinking. I'll still be playing that or at least having a go anyway but it's defo going to have stiff competition soon anyway with all the stuff coming.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah
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TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next year maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on the ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are not willing to invest in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow properly and look better. I'll be playing legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. WE love dust CCP and we'd like it to live on and not die eventually. Anyone who truly loves the game and has been here for a long time should understand how crucial this is. Quite simply, a lot of us are not interested in legion and there are plenty of games coming that are going to be just as good, if not better. Help me Obi Wan Rattati, you're our only hope.
heres something nice for you:
It was NEVER said that dust WONT be coming to PS4.
it WAS said that the idea behind legion was to get back to CCPs core tech, which means developing on PC which can then be ported to PS4 much more easily than porting to a system like PS3 that is INTENTIONALLY difficult and extremely expensive to develop for.
in fact, it was always rumor mill bs that legion was PC exclusive. and right now theyre focusing on ps3 so they can have the game as good as possible when they branch dust to other platforms. the only way it will get to ps4 is if they have funding to do so, however, so buy moar Aw-rim!
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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Georgia Xavier
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Posted - 2015.03.26 19:54:00 -
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Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless ties and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:09:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
Sounds good. Something has to be done.
I had no intention of this being a pc vs ps4 thread as i have both. I just think dust is better off on console where it already has it's playerbase. I can't see pc & ps4 cross play going too well for the ps4 users either. I'd just play it on my pc if that happened to own the sht out of them as would anyone who is more experienced with pc.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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TerranKnight87
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:10:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:TerranKnight87 wrote:I couldn't care any less about legion really and with all the new developments in dust, i think the smart move would be to start work on moving dust to the ps4 where it can grow even if it takes a while, even if it means noone can play for a year or more, at least the game will be on a platform where it can grow properly. Or at least begin work on a ps4 move within the next year maybe. If the game is running on the crummy ps3 specs we have then imagine how great it could be on the ps4. ps4's in about 2 years will also be pretty damn cheap, they already are really as it is now. I play all the next gen games and dust still offers a lot of unique things even though the next gen games have better graphics and higher player counts. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust This link shows that the player count if going down as you can see in the six month and year graphs. This is because people are not willing to invest in a game that is stuck on a ps3 i believe, that or their ps3's burnt out like mine. There is a whole game here so please do the right thing and move it to the ps4 asap where it can grow properly and look better. I'll be playing legion but it doesn't look ike it will bee much like dust other than the weapons and it being an fps. Suits are all going to be bpos the last i heard so this means that it's connection to eve is going to be fairly limited right off the bat but i could be wrong. I've seen and heard it all from the 'it wont happen crowd' so save it. [INSERT HYPE ABOUT HOW IT WILL HAPPEN HERE] Show your support people, being a negative nancy about it will not help. WE love dust CCP and we'd like it to live on and not die eventually. Anyone who truly loves the game and has been here for a long time should understand how crucial this is. Quite simply, a lot of us are not interested in legion and there are plenty of games coming that are going to be just as good, if not better. Help me Obi Wan Rattati, you're our only hope. heres something nice for you: It was NEVER said that dust WONT be coming to PS4. it WAS said that the idea behind legion was to get back to CCPs core tech, which means developing on PC which can then be ported to PS4 much more easily than porting to a system like PS3 that is INTENTIONALLY difficult and extremely expensive to develop for. in fact, it was always rumor mill bs that legion was PC exclusive. and right now theyre focusing on ps3 so they can have the game as good as possible when they branch dust to other platforms. the only way it will get to ps4 is if they have funding to do so, however, so buy moar Aw-rim! edit: now that thats cleared up, can these threads stop? i mean, seriously, everybody panics when a couple idiots shoot their mouths off, but how many of you ever read ANY of the legion forums? like the dev posts? like... idk, when rouge straight up said pc exclusivity is not a must and it may be put on other systems... or how about keeping up with the occurrences at fanfest where TEH F*KIN CEO OF CCP said that dust is profitable for once and theyre looking at where the game is going to go moving forward from PS3. dust is not dying or dead. cut this chicken little crap and try to help reinforce the much needed positivity instead of convincing people that dust is going nowhere. the only time dust was actually in danger of dying was when we were told no more updates and you know what? i cant blame them for that. the fanbase was rabid, greedy, stingy, & rude as hell
Chicken little crap, wtf does that even mean hahaha.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Greiv Rabbah
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:16:00 -
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Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you
at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome.
its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to.
and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option.
now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC.
why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory.
remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE.
and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is.
Sebiestor scout, MTAC pilot, Merc w/ a face
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TerranKnight87
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:19:00 -
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Greiv Rabbah wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome. its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to. and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option. now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC. why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory. remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE. and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is.
I'm inclined to think anyone who is either side of the fence who doesn't have both platforms is a bum and probably never put much money into the game anyway.
I don't think it will take much to outshine 'call of doody' and battlefield.
Matchmaking will boost the ps3 capability by 1000% and we can enjoy Dust for years to come......
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Georgia Xavier
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:27:00 -
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TerranKnight87 wrote:Greiv Rabbah wrote:Georgia Xavier wrote:Why not PC first then ps4 later? CCP is much more familiar with PC,it also provides endless developing opportunities furthermore caters to more mature gamers which means they have a higher chance of staying longer compared to a child whom likes to be rewarded instantly. Once pc has set the foundation of a bigger playerbase and fully optimized mechanics then they can port it to ps4. Warframe did this and now look where it Is. But for now I will buy as much aurum as I can just to help the game I so dearly love
I keep repeating these same points in pc v ps4 threads countless times and ill do it even more. It shouldn't even be any competition. PC has an advantage on all factors. Price shouldn't be a problem by the way. You can buy a ps4 you can buy a desktop for the same price with more power. I swear to you at the same time, ppl should be listening to the CPM when they come back from iceland saying, the question shouldnt be whether dust is coming to pc/ps4/whatever, but what do we need to do to make it a realistic outcome. its not like CCP is going to be able to do whatever ppl want with the game when everybodys so afraid to put money into it that they cant afford to. and btw threads like this are never going to get a blue tag, just because CCP isnt that stupid anymore. they announced an idea they had for where to take dust moving forward last year and a massive chunk of steady players biomassed feeling "betrayed" that CCP even suggested that moving to PC may be an option. now the playerbase is divided into two factions: the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PS4, and the players that are gonna biomass if CCP says PC. why dont we all just unite under one flag: i propose we all just become the players that play the game on ps3 and want to see dust continnue to grow even when the ps3 is a distant memory. remember when we all believed that dust could be a 10 year long game? dust is profitable, that means it has the potential to become another EVE for CCP. in other words, the last thing they want to do is say anything that will kill the game off because the idea now is to make it last forever and get more refined with age like theyve been doing with EVE. and lets face it... from such humble beginings, EVE has become a truly great MMO. I want to see dust become another such great MMO, and i'm sure deep down all the FPS buffs around here want to see it outshine COD, BF, or whatever the popular game of the week is. I'm inclined to think anyone who is either side of the fence who doesn't have both platforms is a bum and probably never put much money into the game anyway. I don't think it will take much to outshine 'call of doody' and battlefield. I think those are also only so popular on ps4 and xjoke as they are one of the limited actual games available really.
Well I know we have to look at things realisticly but I like to assume dust will get to a point where porting to another platform won't be a problem. One can dream......
There are a few weapons I have yet to master; mass driver, nova knives,ion pistol,flay lock pistol and the magsec
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