DUST Search - If you all don't Solve Nyain San CCP will do it for you.

Kain Spero wrote:

For those still trying to defend Nyain San you are now risking all of PC in doing so.

To address planetary conquest and specifically Nyain San CCP has plans to "reset" all timers an nullify your current holdings.

CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear players,

we want to talk about District Timers, in particular, the not-so-much-intended practice of safeguarding Districts into difficult timezones.

There are a few ideas already on the table, not a complete list and I expect Kain Spero to show up pretty much instantly.

Methods to reset, if we go that way

A) Randomize - all Timers will be reset to a random TZ within the allowed Begin and End settings
B) Redistribute - all Timers will be reset and fixed in a ratio that aligns with average PCU
C) Reset and allow +-X timers around the default District Timer
D)Reset and reduce the available option for Timers
E)Reset and allow incremental jumps from the default Timer, rising exponentially in ISK cost per 30 minutes.

I will add more.

Please discuss.

if there is any good team who want to attack them "x" me up, i dont care about alliances or corporation if the result is bring new district available for fights and involve more corp in PC world...

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188219&find=unread

I also ask Nyain San to stop their selfish holding of land that they don't even use. Set you timers to a reasonable spread and then let the community take it from there. There is no reason to pull down the entire Planetary Conquest community with you.

To the PC community: the biomass on those districts will soon have no value ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2580202#post2580202 ) , so waiting around to resolve the Nyain San issue is no longer an option if you want to be compensated for districts that Nyain San is unable to defend themselves.

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Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4273	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:15:00 - [1] - Quote For those still trying to defend Nyain San you are now risking all of PC in doing so. To address planetary conquest and specifically Nyain San CCP has plans to "reset" all timers an nullify your current holdings. CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, we want to talk about District Timers, in particular, the not-so-much-intended practice of safeguarding Districts into difficult timezones. There are a few ideas already on the table, not a complete list and I expect Kain Spero to show up pretty much instantly. Methods to reset, if we go that way A) Randomize - all Timers will be reset to a random TZ within the allowed Begin and End settings B) Redistribute - all Timers will be reset and fixed in a ratio that aligns with average PCU C) Reset and allow +-X timers around the default District Timer D) Reset and reduce the available option for Timers E) Reset and allow incremental jumps from the default Timer, rising exponentially in ISK cost per 30 minutes. I will add more. Please discuss. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188219&find=unread I also ask Nyain San to stop their selfish holding of land that they don't even use. Set you timers to a reasonable spread and then let the community take it from there. There is no reason to pull down the entire Planetary Conquest community with you. To the PC community: the biomass on those districts will soon have no value ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2580202#post2580202 ) , so waiting around to resolve the Nyain San issue is no longer an option if you want to be compensated for districts that Nyain San is unable to defend themselves. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 327	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:43:00 - [2] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: For those still trying to defend Nyain San you are now risking all of PC in doing so. To address planetary conquest and specifically Nyain San CCP has plans to "reset" all timers an nullify your current holdings. CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, we want to talk about District Timers, in particular, the not-so-much-intended practice of safeguarding Districts into difficult timezones. There are a few ideas already on the table, not a complete list and I expect Kain Spero to show up pretty much instantly. Methods to reset, if we go that way A) Randomize - all Timers will be reset to a random TZ within the allowed Begin and End settings B) Redistribute - all Timers will be reset and fixed in a ratio that aligns with average PCU C) Reset and allow +-X timers around the default District Timer D)Reset and reduce the available option for Timers E)Reset and allow incremental jumps from the default Timer, rising exponentially in ISK cost per 30 minutes. I will add more. Please discuss. if there is any good team who want to attack them "x" me up, i dont care about alliances or corporation if the result is bring new district available for fights and involve more corp in PC world... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188219&find=unread I also ask Nyain San to stop their selfish holding of land that they don't even use. Set you timers to a reasonable spread and then let the community take it from there. There is no reason to pull down the entire Planetary Conquest community with you. To the PC community: the biomass on those districts will soon have no value ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2580202#post2580202 ) , so waiting around to resolve the Nyain San issue is no longer an option if you want to be compensated for districts that Nyain San is unable to defend themselves. I will edit later The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 818	Posted - 2015.01.20 12:54:00 - [3] - Quote how is this the communitys fault? Nyain has the amount of districts they have because 12 timer is a Asian time zone. Before PC was in nyain's hands they gathered all talent in that timer into a single corporation and then took over timers they could. No one can compete with them cause no one can touch that timer because they own all the competence of that hour. People have lives and jobs in america for talent to show up at 6 am to play a stupid video game.
Mr Machine Guns 1000	Posted - 2015.01.20 12:59:00 - [4] - Quote What's funny Kain NS has given away over 50% of its districts to corps so to call them selfish is just sad and pathetic
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4277	Posted - 2015.01.20 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: how is this the communitys fault? Nyain has the amount of districts they have because 12 timer is a Asian time zone. Before PC was in nyain's hands they gathered all talent in that timer into a single corporation and then took over timers they could. No one can compete with them cause no one can touch that timer because they own all the competence of that hour. People have lives and jobs in america for talent to show up at 6 am to play a stupid video game. For Old Nyain San I would agree, but now the corporation is a shell of it's former self. Still those timers are going to result in CCP resetting *all* of PC if they aren't addressed. If folks agreed to not defend Nyain San then the issue could be resolved over the course of 1 weekend easily. Nyain San has also moved their timers to 1300, so it's not quite as early of a fight as it was before. I think a fair compromise would be to leave Nayin San's 11 districts on the 1200 timer alone and just address the 50+ districts currently set to 1300. Really though the better option would be for Nyain San to man up to the fact that their corp has largely decayed and move at least all of the 1300 timers to an hour where the Dust community can redistribute the land themselves. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4277	Posted - 2015.01.20 13:03:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: What's funny Kain NS has given away over 50% of its districts to corps so to call them selfish is just sad and pathetic, if people actually talked to them and go to know them I'm sure they would be willing to give more district away That 50% was gained by ERA leaving PC. Your core holdings have be largely untouched. The question is do you want to take all of PC down with you? Your land is going to go away no matter what you do. Your choice is to either have CCP take it away and in the process potentially ruin PC for everyone or give up at least all of the land your currently have set to 1300 (around 50 districts) and save the PC community from some mass reset and timer "fix". Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Mr Machine Guns 1000	Posted - 2015.01.20 13:12:00 - [7] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: What's funny Kain NS has given away over 50% of its districts to corps so to call them selfish is just sad and pathetic, if people actually talked to them and go to know them I'm sure they would be willing to give more district away That 50% was gained by ERA leaving PC. Your core holdings have be largely untouched. The question is do you want to take all of PC down with you? Your land is going to go away no matter what you do. Your choice is to either have CCP take it away and in the process potentially ruin PC for everyone or give up at least all of the land your currently have set to 1300 (around 50 districts) and save the PC community from some mass reset and timer "fix". The number one problem with Pc is not Ns and its timers. The number problem is there is no incentive for a new corp to get into pc because, there is no way to really make isk back for taking a district the only way to gain isk is have a corp give up a hub and you can make a 10 million profit but, after that then only way to get isk is if you win pc so Ccp needs to introduce a new system for corps to make isk that is based on a timer being reinforced with clone gen, until that problem is solved this issue with timers is not the problem the problem with Pc is no one wants to join because of the fear of being taken out have wasted so much isk to get it to Pc, that is why I feel they should bring back corp battles to have people and their corps get ready for pc.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4277	Posted - 2015.01.20 13:33:00 - [8] - Quote Free clone packs are on the horizon so the issue of "making ISK back" because of clone pack cost will be going away in due time. The only problem is when that day comes will your inaction leave us with a timer system that has CCP dictating what timers can landowners be allowed to play on. In the end though your land IS going way no matter what. It's now your decision on whether or not your land gets removed by CCP or you step up to the plate and resolve the issue of you 50+ districts stacked on a timer that most players don't play on in your largely inactive corp. How many players do you have logged into your corp at 1300? I can guarantee that it isn't 800 players. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Nyain_San 143 players means if you had 100% of them on at the same time you could field about 9 districts. The compromise on the table would leave you at 11 districts at 1200. It seems the decision is fairly easy, so why don't you make it. Make a choice to not defend your 1300 timers, and let the community redistribute that land on it's own terms rather than forcing CCP's hand to redistribute timers and land on for the community with no regard to the people that have put work into planetary conquest. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Beast gameplay1 jr Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 18	Posted - 2015.01.20 14:35:00 - [9] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: What's funny Kain NS has given away over 50% of its districts to corps so to call them selfish is just sad and pathetic, if people actually talked to them and go to know them I'm sure they would be willing to give more district away Kain is right they have 20% of the districts and they can't even use have of them plus corps are usually ringing for them
LionTurtle91 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 331	Posted - 2015.01.20 14:49:00 - [10] - Quote A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm.

Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 30	Posted - 2015.01.20 14:54:00 - [11] - Quote LOL... Let us know if you need help Machine Guns. The MJL loves rice just as much as the next guy in the foxhole! Yes... I am PMSing.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4283	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:01:00 - [12] - Quote LionTurtle91 wrote: A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm. A reset that will give you timers that you can't change and are locked based on whatever % of players are active in a given timezone. If that goes through CCP will be setting the game mainly to US timers. The rest of the world be damned. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Juandeer Woman Mexican Justice League 33	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: LionTurtle91 wrote: A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm. A reset that will give you timers that you can't change and are locked based on whatever % of players are active in a given timezone. If that goes through CCP will be setting the game mainly to US timers. The rest of the world be damned. You mean Mexican timers? Yes... I am PMSing.
LionTurtle91 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 331	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:05:00 - [14] - Quote Juandeer Woman wrote: LOL... Let us know if you need help Machine Guns. The MJL loves rice just as much as the next guy in the foxhole! Rice is Nice.
ReGnYuM Red Star. 3443	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:07:00 - [15] - Quote #BanSperoFromTheWarRoom
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4284	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:18:00 - [16] - Quote LionTurtle91 wrote: A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm. These changes including things like region locked timers are what's being planned for PC 2.0. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 146	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:24:00 - [17] - Quote Look!!!!! I'm saying this as a Dust Player of the Community.... Not Nyain fault they live inAsia. We live in America. They can't defend. Wake your lazy butts up and Attack them. If you have a job a life or sleeping blah blah blah. That's your problem. Why should CCP change or cater to anything. No matter what system they do it will favor a region somehow. There s no way to make this fair ever. We are on one side of the world they are on the other. Period!!! That's never going to change EVER. What you going to do. Tell someone in Asia sorry you can't have timers at 7-9pm your time becuas that's 7-9am USA time...lmao Wow.... All you guys are cry baby's Period. Wake the hell up and go get the land. If you say they can't defend. And so what Nyain San sits and never uses there land. You Dint Like it go get it!!! No instead let's cry to CCP for a year and get our way. I hope CCP you **** your whole side of the country off. And you lose all that community. CCP you guys are stupid. Always listening to cry baby's. PC is about taking land. If I take land and want to sit on it for 10 years (Goones) you don't like it then come get it. I hope you cater to USA CCP. Cuz I'm post all this on EVE forums. maybe if all of High Sec and Low Sec B!tch enough for the next two years. Maybe you will change Null Sec and Goones can finally get wiped out....lmao Wow CCP Wow..... Is there a change needed? Yes, I do think so. But to complain Nyain San doesn't use there land blah blah blah. Shut up wake up and go get it. You say Nyain Dead now. Then why you all crying. Go get it!!! Damn Cry Baby's....always want the easy way out.... Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4285	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:00 - [18] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Look!!!!! Not Nyain fault they live inAsia. We live in America. They can't defend. Wake your lazy butts up and Attack them. Couldn't agree more. The complacency of the community has lead us down this road. Either way Asia timers are going to get nuked, so it's just a matter of on what terms. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4383	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:43:00 - [19] - Quote I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 147	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:48:00 - [20] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. Really.....do I really need to mention what Nyain San was able to do the last 3 to 4 times they been Blitzed... Lots have changed since the last blitz. But every time the community thinks it so so easy. When you Blitz you realize Nyain San does have. BatPhone after all... It's crazy but they have The Red Phone. They got to cuz every time. Somehow every one of those battles are full... Like if truth...you know it is Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4290	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:54:00 - [21] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. Really.....do I really need to mention what Nyain San was able to do the last 3 to 4 times they been Blitzed... Lots have changed since the last blitz. But every time the community thinks it so so easy. When you Blitz you realize Nyain San does have. BatPhone after all... It's crazy but they have The Red Phone. They got to cuz every time. Somehow every one of those battles are full... Like if truth...you know it is Yeah, Nyain San has had a Batphone in the past. I remember well because I helped NS repel one of those Blitz attacks. In fact it was the blitz attack that you tried to help organize Ghost Shadow. The problem now is that everyone's district is on the line if they choose to help Nyain San at this point. Nyain San has been able to rely on the North American community to defend them when push comes to shove, but that time needs to end. Otherwise everyone will suffer the consequences. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 774	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:59:00 - [22] - Quote Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:00:00 - [23] - Quote Here an idea.... Open World. No Timers at all.... I Attack you no matter the time. 24 hours later is the battle. So if I attack at 5 am then in 24 hours battle at 5am. It's like real life. Dust is big enough now. We all have relationships across the globe. We also have some very smart older guys that play this game. That I know can organize what it would take to succeed. Alliance: now has a true purpose. Have multiple corps as one has a valid reason now. I have to talk to the French or the Japanese or the Russians. We all communicate now no matter where you from even Brazil. We all have a way of communicating with one another. I would need to make round the clock rotations and man post with corps. Just like in real life. I will need a corp available for a.m. And p.m.. I'll need my Japanese or Russian friends to be up and on patrol at 5pm cause it's 5am my time. Now having an alliance is a bigger deal. And have more roles and a reason to be together. It will force the Dust community to talk and establish new relationships if they want to PC. PC: will be the most fun ever. You telling me a Roman837 (hope I got numbers right sorry if I didnt), Radar,Zatara, Kain, Myself couldn't organize something like that. It would take an intelligent, sociable, organized leader or leaders to make a successful alliance to hold land across the 24 hour mark. I think the community and the game would change so much if timers were just open and system gives 24 hour notice of Attack. After all it's PC it's where the Big Boys play. Now you want a new corp in PC get them in your alliance train them up on your own land. So they can help The Empire protect what's Theres It would take a real leadership and relationships across the globe. Be no more one sided region. Everyone works together. Cause you can be attacked at any moment.... Shoot im excited just thinking of this...honestly arnt you? Our community is big enough and language barriers are no longer a problem.... Think about it guys this would be the most fun and strategic game play of PC ever. Now my alliance means something. True World Domination. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 774	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:01:00 - [24] - Quote What this will do is promote corps to become large and have people of multiple time zones. Which is a good thing Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 774	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:04:00 - [25] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Here an idea.... Open World. No Timers at all.... I Attack you no matter the time. 24 hours later is the battle. So if I attack at 5 am then in 24 hours battle at 5am. It's like real life. Dust is big enough now. We all have relationships across the globe. We also have some very smart older guys that play this game. That I know can organize what it would take to succeed. Alliance: now has a true purpose. Have multiple corps as one has a valid reason now. I have to talk to the French or the Japanese or the Russians. We all communicate now no matter where you from even Brazil. We all have a way of communicating with one another. I would need to make round the clock rotations and man post with corps. Just like in real life. I will need a corp available for a.m. And p.m.. I'll need my Japanese or Russian friends to be up and on patrol at 5pm cause it's 5am my time. Now having an alliance is a bigger deal. And have more roles and a reason to be together. It will force the Dust community to talk and establish new relationships if they want to PC. PC: will be the most fun ever. You telling me a Roman837 (hope I got numbers right sorry if I didnt), Radar,Zatara, Kain, Myself couldn't organize something like that. It would take an intelligent, sociable, organized leader or leaders to make a successful alliance to hold land across the 24 hour mark. I think the community and the game would change so much if timers were just open and system gives 24 hour notice of Attack. After all it's PC it's where the Big Boys play. Now you want a new corp in PC get them in your alliance train them up on your own land. So they can help The Empire protect what's Theres Strangely enough yes I agree. Partially. It will change alliances dramatically. Also they will need to add a new battle finder option...alliance battles so people can see the alliance timers. And allow them to que that they available so the corp can pick players up based on the que Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1618	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:06:00 - [26] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. We attacked last weekend, faced a full team of Nyain San/Chan and Carne Con Papas. It was a tough game, and I can confirm they have their own team active. It's hardly their fault, the mass-attack's fail, the last one.. The corp setting it, threatens to remove us from PC, then ask us to blitz NS with them. lol So poor management is a large reason why nothing has been done. That and all the guys who failed blitzing them, now fight for them So they can field their own players, plus the rest of the community volunteers So there is no chance of this 'blitz' when half the playerbase fights for them..
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:07:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah Roman...Yeah!!!! See now we brain storming...let's go Radar ...Zatara...all you other big guys...let's talk and Make OUR game fun and fair for all...enough one sided crap and alliance for no reason corps sitting around cuz no one on in there alliance cuz it's 5am in amaerica now they have a purpose while we asleep they protecting and vice versa. And if I want to wake up and help I can. But at least I know I have 4 corps up and ready Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
ColdBlooded Max Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 273	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:09:00 - [28] - Quote Sorry didn't read all this we all know what happen when we listen Kain Spero
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 217	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:11:00 - [29] - Quote I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle I run around carrying nanohives like I'm delivering pizzas XD
ColdBlooded Max Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 274	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:13:00 - [30] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. So u can stack them easier?



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