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Posted - 2015.01.20 11:15:00 -
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For those still trying to defend Nyain San you are now risking all of PC in doing so.
To address planetary conquest and specifically Nyain San CCP has plans to "reset" all timers an nullify your current holdings.
CCP Rattati wrote:Dear players,
we want to talk about District Timers, in particular, the not-so-much-intended practice of safeguarding Districts into difficult timezones.
There are a few ideas already on the table, not a complete list and I expect Kain Spero to show up pretty much instantly.
Methods to reset, if we go that way
A) Randomize - all Timers will be reset to a random TZ within the allowed Begin and End settings B) Redistribute - all Timers will be reset and fixed in a ratio that aligns with average PCU C) Reset and allow +-X timers around the default District Timer D) Reset and reduce the available option for Timers E) Reset and allow incremental jumps from the default Timer, rising exponentially in ISK cost per 30 minutes.
I will add more.
Please discuss.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188219&find=unread
I also ask Nyain San to stop their selfish holding of land that they don't even use. Set you timers to a reasonable spread and then let the community take it from there. There is no reason to pull down the entire Planetary Conquest community with you.
To the PC community: the biomass on those districts will soon have no value ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2580202#post2580202 ) , so waiting around to resolve the Nyain San issue is no longer an option if you want to be compensated for districts that Nyain San is unable to defend themselves.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:01:00 -
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Radar R4D-47 wrote:how is this the communitys fault? Nyain has the amount of districts they have because 12 timer is a Asian time zone. Before PC was in nyain's hands they gathered all talent in that timer into a single corporation and then took over timers they could. No one can compete with them cause no one can touch that timer because they own all the competence of that hour. People have lives and jobs in america for talent to show up at 6 am to play a stupid video game.
For Old Nyain San I would agree, but now the corporation is a shell of it's former self. Still those timers are going to result in CCP resetting all of PC if they aren't addressed.
If folks agreed to not defend Nyain San then the issue could be resolved over the course of 1 weekend easily. Nyain San has also moved their timers to 1300, so it's not quite as early of a fight as it was before. I think a fair compromise would be to leave Nayin San's 11 districts on the 1200 timer alone and just address the 50+ districts currently set to 1300.
Really though the better option would be for Nyain San to man up to the fact that their corp has largely decayed and move at least all of the 1300 timers to an hour where the Dust community can redistribute the land themselves.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:03:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:What's funny Kain NS has given away over 50% of its districts to corps so to call them selfish is just sad and pathetic, if people actually talked to them and go to know them I'm sure they would be willing to give more district away
That 50% was gained by ERA leaving PC. Your core holdings have be largely untouched. The question is do you want to take all of PC down with you? Your land is going to go away no matter what you do.
Your choice is to either have CCP take it away and in the process potentially ruin PC for everyone or give up at least all of the land your currently have set to 1300 (around 50 districts) and save the PC community from some mass reset and timer "fix".
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:33:00 -
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Free clone packs are on the horizon so the issue of "making ISK back" because of clone pack cost will be going away in due time. The only problem is when that day comes will your inaction leave us with a timer system that has CCP dictating what timers can landowners be allowed to play on.
In the end though your land IS going way no matter what. It's now your decision on whether or not your land gets removed by CCP or you step up to the plate and resolve the issue of you 50+ districts stacked on a timer that most players don't play on in your largely inactive corp.
How many players do you have logged into your corp at 1300? I can guarantee that it isn't 800 players. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Nyain_San
143 players means if you had 100% of them on at the same time you could field about 9 districts. The compromise on the table would leave you at 11 districts at 1200. It seems the decision is fairly easy, so why don't you make it.
Make a choice to not defend your 1300 timers, and let the community redistribute that land on it's own terms rather than forcing CCP's hand to redistribute timers and land on for the community with no regard to the people that have put work into planetary conquest.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:01:00 -
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LionTurtle91 wrote:A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm.
A reset that will give you timers that you can't change and are locked based on whatever % of players are active in a given timezone. If that goes through CCP will be setting the game mainly to US timers. The rest of the world be damned.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:18:00 -
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LionTurtle91 wrote:A complete reset sounds awesome! Besided who cares about districts now, just waiting on PC 2.0 soon tm.
These changes including things like region locked timers are what's being planned for PC 2.0.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Look!!!!!
Not Nyain fault they live inAsia. We live in America. They can't defend. Wake your lazy butts up and Attack them.
Couldn't agree more. The complacency of the community has lead us down this road. Either way Asia timers are going to get nuked, so it's just a matter of on what terms.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:54:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. Really.....do I really need to mention what Nyain San was able to do the last 3 to 4 times they been Blitzed... Lots have changed since the last blitz. But every time the community thinks it so so easy. When you Blitz you realize Nyain San does have. BatPhone after all... It's crazy but they have The Red Phone. They got to cuz every time. Somehow every one of those battles are full... Like if truth...you know it is
Yeah, Nyain San has had a Batphone in the past. I remember well because I helped NS repel one of those Blitz attacks. In fact it was the blitz attack that you tried to help organize Ghost Shadow. The problem now is that everyone's district is on the line if they choose to help Nyain San at this point.
Nyain San has been able to rely on the North American community to defend them when push comes to shove, but that time needs to end. Otherwise everyone will suffer the consequences.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:36:00 -
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Roman837 wrote:Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone.
Couldn't agree more but I think +-3 hours may be a bit much. Even a 4 hour window would greatly help the situation. Thing is you can't overlap downtime so you would need to choose 0700 to 1000 or 1200 to 1500 in the case of a 4 hour window.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:49:00 -
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I agree Shadoww. The current timer changes CCP is proposing feel like just a minor tweak that doesn't really solve anything. The problem is timers are too boring of a subject for most players to actually get involved in.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:52:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side....
Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ?
If you are actually active at the time of your timers comparable to how much land you are holding I could care less what timers are at.
Pokey had a good suggestion that would separate out people "hiding" from people that have timers set to when they are most active: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=187670
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:56:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it.
A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:13:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Maybe make it a defense in real time would be worth more Isk in the payout. perhaps even a separate Payout to corp based on clones destroyed
I think a hybrid system where you have real time attacks and attacks with notice could work well. One problem with Planetary Conquest right now is no matter what the stakes are pretty much the same. You are always fighting for ownership of the district and I think that's something that needs to change as well.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:28:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Kain....
Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now.
So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer?
You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more.
So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not?
And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up.
The key part of the fuel idea is that you can only gather fuel around the timers your districts are set. Say it takes 8 people playing around the timer hour in PC, FW, or Pubs to get enough fuel to maintain the timer on one district. In the case of Nyain San they would have to have 368 players active during 1300 to maintain their current stack of timers.
If they fail to maintain that level of activity their timers expand in both directions by an hour (1200-1400). If they can't get 368 equivalent players active between 1200-1400 in their corp then it would expand again to 1200-1600 and so forth.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:45:00 -
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Ghostt Shadoww wrote:
and is the concept saying. The more land you own the more players you need to have active for fuel?
Correct.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:04:00 -
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Viktor's Alt wrote:
I'll be a douche 24/7 because no one does it better
It's just means things are squeaky clean.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:24:00 -
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I'm not sure how just scrambling the current timers and then making it where you can't change them counts as "heavily" changing the system.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:28:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Just keep timers just have it so a certain percentage of a corps districts can be set to certain timer? Maybe 20 to 30 percent
At that point you just end up with ALT corps although that's going to be exceedingly difficult if CCP goes ahead with their activity barriers to being able to attack.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:06:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:What Kain also forgets to mention how Ns has peronsally help corps set up their version of Pfc in Almur and Kain don't forget the districts Ns was going to give up so you could set up corp battles on Bosena the only reason Kain is saying all these negative things about Ns is because NS helped AE and not him so if Ccp is actually listening to him it's just lol because of a personal grudge one player has
Nah, the negative things about NS has to come from the fact that your corp is now largely inactive yet you continue to hold onto 47 districts all stacked on a timer that you don't even have the raw numbers to utilize.
Again, your land is going to be forfeit one way or the other. The question is are you going to make CCP pry it from your inactive hands or let the players redistribute it themselves?
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:48:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Don't need to read entire thread. This coming from the same guy who led TP, which owned 33% with less than 40 people. Who ran ERA, which owned 30% and couldn't field a team under its own flag to save its life - instead COMPLETELY relying on a massive ringer teams consisting of ERA/STB/TP/NF/FA/etc.. Who forced the 100% idea down the community's throat to "help them" after the spoils were commandeered. Your argument is to strong arm NS because they can't field all their battles? My my, pot/kettle conundrum here. Not that I agree with them holding the amount of land to begin with, for some reasons aforementioned, but for you to attempt to command our agenda is ludacrous.
I noticed in your OP that Rattati obviously recognizes your opinion. Why don't you instead take that responsibility and utilize it in a way you may not be familiar with - promoting pc. Bring back the incentive to actually fight for the land, not just have battles between each other because there's nothing else to do. Passive isk at some level is a must, or some way to generate usable income that can be funneled to members/corp in financing pc itself. I've heard talk of some carebear sh!t like only alliance members can play in battles after PC 2.0 - seriously? I guess they should change the Dust514 intro movie, wherein characters are described as mercenaries? Talk about donutization of MH, a wasteland for any small organization - an ideal that does anything BUT follow the eve/dust premise.
Oh Roman, I guess I could then attack your 0200 and make it a 0500 battle, ay? Ya know, OUR primetime. I know you've had your warm glass of milk and are probably tucked in, but we'll be waiting. Look both ways before crossing the street -> Nocturnal Acquisitions, pleasing vampires and Pacific Islanders since Uprising.
Alright...back to my BIscuits and gravy.
I think bringing back rewards to districts is critical for the health of Planetary Conquest in the long run. Those rewards need to be generated actively through gameplay though.
Passive wealth generation will just make things like what I did with DNS not only possible again but probable. I don't regret exposing how dysfunctional PC was through player action. That's often the only way that CCP really listens.
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:06:00 -
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It seems so far that diplomacy with Nyain San is going to win the day.
There is a tentative agreement for them to maintain 10 districts on the 1200-1300 timer while the other 36 will have their timers moved in increments of 4 per hour starting with the 1700 timer. After that it will be up to the community to take it from there.
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:22:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Ghostt Shadoww wrote:Question....what if CAP goes after land. And they end up owning 25-35%.
Answer: We already have more land that I want or need, ever. CAP is neither imperialistic, nor elitist. Just a bunch of hobbits gettin down in the shire. You can take that 30% all the way to mordor, golem....districts are no longer precious.
Well, hopefully something will give and make districts truly worth fighting over again. Removing passive ISK was a stopgap and never meant for a final solution. With client side patches back to being a thing though I really hope CCP introduces active wealth generation to land, raiding, and many of the other cool things we've been waiting years to actually see happen.
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:59:00 -
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Nick, you're just a little late to the party:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2587197#post2587197
As far as I'm concerned the issue has been resolved. Fixed timers seem to be off the table in CCP's PC plans as well as a reset. The PC community finally voiced their opinions rather than sitting quietly in a corner and there was a response. What the community does with Nyain San's districts after this timer shift is up to them, but you can't really be arguing timer hiding at this point.
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