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Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 146	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:24:00 - [1] - Quote Look!!!!! I'm saying this as a Dust Player of the Community.... Not Nyain fault they live inAsia. We live in America. They can't defend. Wake your lazy butts up and Attack them. If you have a job a life or sleeping blah blah blah. That's your problem. Why should CCP change or cater to anything. No matter what system they do it will favor a region somehow. There s no way to make this fair ever. We are on one side of the world they are on the other. Period!!! That's never going to change EVER. What you going to do. Tell someone in Asia sorry you can't have timers at 7-9pm your time becuas that's 7-9am USA time...lmao Wow.... All you guys are cry baby's Period. Wake the hell up and go get the land. If you say they can't defend. And so what Nyain San sits and never uses there land. You Dint Like it go get it!!! No instead let's cry to CCP for a year and get our way. I hope CCP you **** your whole side of the country off. And you lose all that community. CCP you guys are stupid. Always listening to cry baby's. PC is about taking land. If I take land and want to sit on it for 10 years (Goones) you don't like it then come get it. I hope you cater to USA CCP. Cuz I'm post all this on EVE forums. maybe if all of High Sec and Low Sec B!tch enough for the next two years. Maybe you will change Null Sec and Goones can finally get wiped out....lmao Wow CCP Wow..... Is there a change needed? Yes, I do think so. But to complain Nyain San doesn't use there land blah blah blah. Shut up wake up and go get it. You say Nyain Dead now. Then why you all crying. Go get it!!! Damn Cry Baby's....always want the easy way out.... Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 147	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:48:00 - [2] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. Really.....do I really need to mention what Nyain San was able to do the last 3 to 4 times they been Blitzed... Lots have changed since the last blitz. But every time the community thinks it so so easy. When you Blitz you realize Nyain San does have. BatPhone after all... It's crazy but they have The Red Phone. They got to cuz every time. Somehow every one of those battles are full... Like if truth...you know it is Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:00:00 - [3] - Quote Here an idea.... Open World. No Timers at all.... I Attack you no matter the time. 24 hours later is the battle. So if I attack at 5 am then in 24 hours battle at 5am. It's like real life. Dust is big enough now. We all have relationships across the globe. We also have some very smart older guys that play this game. That I know can organize what it would take to succeed. Alliance: now has a true purpose. Have multiple corps as one has a valid reason now. I have to talk to the French or the Japanese or the Russians. We all communicate now no matter where you from even Brazil. We all have a way of communicating with one another. I would need to make round the clock rotations and man post with corps. Just like in real life. I will need a corp available for a.m. And p.m.. I'll need my Japanese or Russian friends to be up and on patrol at 5pm cause it's 5am my time. Now having an alliance is a bigger deal. And have more roles and a reason to be together. It will force the Dust community to talk and establish new relationships if they want to PC. PC: will be the most fun ever. You telling me a Roman837 (hope I got numbers right sorry if I didnt), Radar,Zatara, Kain, Myself couldn't organize something like that. It would take an intelligent, sociable, organized leader or leaders to make a successful alliance to hold land across the 24 hour mark. I think the community and the game would change so much if timers were just open and system gives 24 hour notice of Attack. After all it's PC it's where the Big Boys play. Now you want a new corp in PC get them in your alliance train them up on your own land. So they can help The Empire protect what's Theres It would take a real leadership and relationships across the globe. Be no more one sided region. Everyone works together. Cause you can be attacked at any moment.... Shoot im excited just thinking of this...honestly arnt you? Our community is big enough and language barriers are no longer a problem.... Think about it guys this would be the most fun and strategic game play of PC ever. Now my alliance means something. True World Domination. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:07:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah Roman...Yeah!!!! See now we brain storming...let's go Radar ...Zatara...all you other big guys...let's talk and Make OUR game fun and fair for all...enough one sided crap and alliance for no reason corps sitting around cuz no one on in there alliance cuz it's 5am in amaerica now they have a purpose while we asleep they protecting and vice versa. And if I want to wake up and help I can. But at least I know I have 4 corps up and ready Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle You Crazy =ƒÿ¦..(and im the coo coo bird) 1 hour notice. You funny buddy. Corps can't even get ready now with 2 day notice or what ever it is...lol...one hour....ahhhh hahaha Stop it and brain storm for real.."don't be a fuddy duddy Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:18:00 - [6] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle That would be Rediculous. If isk wasn't such a deciding factor. ..then sure. But 1 small corp spends 50 mill or rather 150 to take a cargo hub...they go to sleep happy they now in pc. Wake up and somone else has it. So...no. That'd be a horrible idea Rotflmao....oh my goodness you so right....ahhhhhhhh hahahahaha......wake up sh!ts gone....oh my, my stomach hurts...I would be so so pisseed.... Yeah yeah shhhhhhs shhhhhh quiet. He sleeping, atttttaaaccccckkkkkkk.........lmao Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:19:00 - [7] - Quote Roman837 wrote: ColdBlooded Max wrote: Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. So u can stack them easier? And be attacked. Yes attacker should have the advantage. But this still allows the defender to put it at a time zone best for them. So yes. Your 0600 districts would be avail to realistic people from north American and open it to Asian timers Nooooooo...let's brain storm open world Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. Couldn't agree more but I think +-3 hours may be a bit much. Even a 4 hour window would greatly help the situation. Thing is you can't overlap downtime so you would need to choose 0700 to 1000 or 1200 to 1500 in the case of a 4 hour window. How about we do something totally new....a total revamp of PC... Always changing tweaking the current system to just make everyone upset... Can we finally talk about this. Get every Real Dust Vet that PC's and k ows PC. Not idiot people that just want to be stupid or have no clue of the game. Everyone says all the hard corp players are gone. Well there still a lot of us here. And honestly im at my wits end with this game. Stuff keeps going backwards then see ya. It's an noting already alwaysbeen listening to cry baby's... Anyways with that said let's trully brain storm and finally get e majority of the group to agree en Devs say yes we can do this or no but we can do this close to it. You know what I mean? Instead of we all type. And CCP does what they want anyways usually listening to dumb new players. .......... Anyways brin back my Logi car swarms are awesome now. Give us our Enforcers back. Why you take away cool things for so long to never bring them back. What was it you all said Devs. We removing Logistics Vehicles and Enforcer tanks to revamp them and release them later.... Still waiting ..... As for PC...enough tweaking...never works does it...Ever...always something and we back here... Let's finally come up with something real and let's Make Alliances mean something...this game can be so much. And it gets less and less in my opinion I tell you what CCP you change this when the time comes. And it's totality bogus. I'm so out. To many new and awesome games for Ps4 to keep dealing with same ol drama Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:49:00 - [9] - Quote Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side.... Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ? Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:51:00 - [10] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I agree Shadoww. The current timer changes CCP is proposing feel like just a minor tweak that doesn't really solve anything. The problem is timers are too boring of a subject for most players to actually get involved in. How is it a boring topic. When it directly affects PC gaming Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe

Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:58:00 - [11] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. Can't work man....u need notice....even in real world. You always have notice . Can't mass 100,000 men and someone not notice. So you can't get your 16 and just go attacking people right there and then. What if only 5 players are on. Okay they have an alliance. So what now every corp in alliance has some kind of access to get people in a battle that starts NOW... Come on bro...I told u in the other thread and others told you. That's just plain stupid. No notice.,,stop it dude . That will never happen Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:59:00 - [12] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side.... Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ? If you are actually active at the time of your timers comparable to how much land you are holding I could care less what timers are at. Pokey had a good suggestion that would separate out people "hiding" from people that have timers set to when they are most active: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=187670 Wow...lot to read and understand about this fuel system. Not understanding. I need to reread it a few times brb Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:13:00 - [13] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. Can't work man....u need notice....even in real world. You always have notice . Can't mass 100,000 men and someone not notice. So you can't get your 16 and just go attacking people right there and then. What if only 5 players are on. Okay they have an alliance. So what now every corp in alliance has some kind of access to get people in a battle belonging to a different corp that starts NOW... Come on bro...I told u in the other thread and others told you. That's just plain stupid. No notice.,,stop it dude . That will never happen You no think with brain you want to hold land better have friends in all timers BTW I'll say what I want when I want got it chode?! What's a chode? And I never said shut up....and if u talking about me saying, stop it dude.....that's a figure of speech. Like Getattahere. Do I really mean get out of here...no im just saying stop that mess. Do I mean you making a mess. Or your a mess. No just a figure of speech. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:17:00 - [14] - Quote Kain.... Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now. So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer? You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more. So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not? And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:19:00 - [15] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Maybe make it a defense in real time would be worth more Isk in the payout. perhaps even a separate Payout to corp based on clones destroyed I think a hybrid system where you have real time attacks and attacks with notice could work well. One problem with Planetary Conquest right now is no matter what the stakes are pretty much the same. You are always fighting for ownership of the district and I think that's something that needs to change as well. What you mean. I fight for it I own it. Why else would I fight for it? If not to own or benifit by it in some way. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:36:00 - [16] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Kain.... Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now. So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer? You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more. So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not? And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up. The key part of the fuel idea is that you can only gather fuel around the timers your districts are set. Say it takes 8 people playing around the timer hour in PC, FW, or Pubs to get enough fuel to maintain the timer on one district. In the case of Nyain San they would have to have 368 players active during 1300 to maintain their current stack of timers. If they fail to maintain that level of activity their timers expand in both directions by an hour (1200-1400). If they can't get 368 equivalent players active between 1200-1400 in their corp then it would expand again to 1200-1600 and so forth. Got it....so Ratios would need to be set based on corp/alliance size etc? How would you come up with what need for a corp to have active during set time. and is the concept saying. The more land you own the more players you need to have active for fuel? Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Viktor's Alt wrote: If anyone sends attacks on nyian contact me i would like to fight them. Not that I hate nyian or think they are selfish I just want some fights and think it will be fun. This has nothing to do with a blitz...this is about changing PC totally..... Lead by example and give feedback not BS pls u a dust vet...brain storm with us. Stop being a douce Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:55:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: and is the concept saying. The more land you own the more players you need to have active for fuel? Correct. That's what's up....I can dig it..... Roman, Radar, D3lta, Rabbit, Kardia, Shep Grey What you guys think....read that proposal about Shield/Fuel Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 151	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:13:00 - [19] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: For Old Nyain San I would agree, but now the corporation is a shell of it's former self. Still those timers are going to result in CCP resetting *all* of PC if they aren't addressed. You speak like resetting PC when a better system comes out is a bad thing. If it's a totally new system. Then yeah wipe it clean start a new. If not just a tweak. Then what's the point. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 151	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:15:00 - [20] - Quote Viktor's Alt wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Viktor's Alt wrote: If anyone sends attacks on nyian contact me i would like to fight them. Not that I hate nyian or think they are selfish I just want some fights and think it will be fun. This has nothing to do with a blitz...this is about changing PC totally..... Lead by example and give feedback not BS pls u a dust vet...brain storm with us. Stop being a douce The ridiculous part of this thread is neither you or kain are even in PC I'll be a douche 24/7 because no one does it better I ring every single day....you all types of stupid huh But I get what u trying to do...have fun with that Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe

Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 151	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:32:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Kain Spero wrote: For Old Nyain San I would agree, but now the corporation is a shell of it's former self. Still those timers are going to result in CCP resetting *all* of PC if they aren't addressed. You speak like resetting PC when a better system comes out is a bad thing. If it's a totally new system. Then yeah wipe it clean start a new. If not just a tweak. Then what's the point. The goal should be to rework timer mechanics, reward mechanics, implement some checks to prevent locking behaviors and farming, alongside offering free clone packs and the corp warbarge system. The whole system isn't being thrown out, but I think at the very least, it'll be a completely different meta for what corps thrive in it and how. I noted in another thread that a lot of competitive games have seasons. Every so often they reset, people keep their rewards they got, but the actual competitive ranking resets. I think it's sensible to reset when we change mechanics heavily particularly if the placement from the prior mechanics makes it hard for the new system to work as intended right out of the gate. Resetting is fine....haven't had one. So it's time in my eyes. Why not go for it. But o ly if trully a new system. If it's just tweaks. I won't even care im just going to leave. This is my last year with Dust and other people if stuff don't change im sure. There just way way to much other awesome stuff now in PS4 world. Why stay here for more headache... This is deffenetly going to make or break dust player count. I for one this goes side ways....see ya later 3 years of grief to just get more and more...nahhhhh...my last try I hope CCP make a good decision I hope we can all come up with something trully fair. Cuz honestly Do we really want to keep playing each other...it's been 3 years same ol crap different day... That brings me to my next point. Bring back Logistics and Enforcer vehicles. Swarms are where they need to be AV period is awesome across the board. So bring back what was fun. Bring some more to e table. Cuz honestly. Do all you guys and gals really want to play with this same ol game another year. Same arguments same people in PC just under different banners.... IM at my end. This is 100% my last year. It doesn't develope im not giving the, another 4 years to see the same people in PC again and again and again and again....jeeze Do we Need to just make One Corp have every dust player in PC Join we make a true 100% donut and tell CCP enough man. It's just Us Here...I for one am tired of seeing Ghostt Shadoww, MMG, NickMunson,Roman,Devin,Rabbit, O.H.,NS,ML,CAP,AE...been here 3 years same people on top same arguments same same same same same Well I finally got a PS4 2 days ago...and this is it for me...Dust either changes to where I don't see he same people on top all the time. And more variety in PC for the small people...or see you later. Cuz it's obvious everything they do..it's only us top corps fighting each other. New people come in we boot them period.... 3 years people 3 years same ol damn SH!t and same ol damn people Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 151	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:40:00 - [22] - Quote Viktor's Alt wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Viktor's Alt wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Viktor's Alt wrote: If anyone sends attacks on nyian contact me i would like to fight them. Not that I hate nyian or think they are selfish I just want some fights and think it will be fun. This has nothing to do with a blitz...this is about changing PC totally..... Lead by example and give feedback not BS pls u a dust vet...brain storm with us. Stop being a douce The ridiculous part of this thread is neither you or kain are even in PC I'll be a douche 24/7 because no one does it better I ring every single day....you all types of stupid huh But I get what u trying to do...have fun with that That's strange cause I truely ring everyday and have not seen you in months. When I said good luck with that... Ment Im Ignore you from here on out. Cuz you just typing nonsense....good day sir o7 Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 151	Posted - 2015.01.20 18:44:00 - [23] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: What Kain also forgets to mention how Ns has peronsally help corps set up their version of Pfc in Almur and Kain don't forget the districts Ns was going to give up so you could set up corp battles on Bosena the only reason Kain is saying all these negative things about Ns is because NS helped AE and not him so if Ccp is actually listening to him it's just lol because of a personal grudge one player has This is why I'm leaving soon....same ol sh!t different day... Let me know when you guys want to trully talk about this game. And done with the Meta. I'm go play for a few hours. Maybe by then the Meta game will stop. And we can get back to talking about the true problem at hand MMG and all you other trolls....you such children for real. Can't ever be men and just brain storm fr the good of the game Damn kids can't never be serious....good day see yall in a few hours o7 Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 155	Posted - 2015.01.21 16:44:00 - [24] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Question related to active/passive ISK farming: What if districts paid more ISK, the longer you left your timer window open? Example: A district set to the bare minimum timer (an hour?) would generate next to nothing in terms of ISK. However, setting the timer to a four-hour window, say, would generate significantly more ISK. Leaving it open 24 hours could generate large amounts of ISK...but would leave the district vulnerable to attack at any time. Obviously, ISK amounts would have to be monitored (perhaps a district that hasn't been attacked in a certain amount of time stops generating ISK?) to prevent large alliances from simply throwing open a bunch of districts and then covering for each other without the actual district owner having to do much work themselves. Hey Man, I think you on to something here. I'm liking it. Maybe incorporate this with the fuel / shield idea somehow. But yeah, good bullet point to brainstorm Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 155	Posted - 2015.01.21 16:47:00 - [25] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Nah, the negative things about NS has to come from the fact that your corp is now largely inactive yet you continue to hold onto 47 districts all stacked on a timer that you don't even have the raw numbers to utilize. Who is this guy and how does he know how active we are? Who is internal error? Why do they care? Do they own land? Do they matter? Are they really a thing, I've never heard of them...Is this an alt? In response to shadoww's alt I say that this is the most active corp I've ever been in, and some random pub scrub has no place speaking in what's what in pc, or in a corp they have no connection to. Even if we were inactive, we'd still be 10 times more active than ur corp homie. wat is u gonna do about it dawg declare ware? u aint even got an army dawg, wat is u? Man, people these days. It's almost as bad as when homeless start running their mouths with conspiracy theories, utterly disgusting. 1..... Who are you? (Serious question have no idea who you are. Are you even on a leaderboard? Any of the 10? 2.... What the fudge are you trying to say? 3.... Who are you again? Ps...I don't have an Alt. Never have never will Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 155	Posted - 2015.01.21 16:59:00 - [26] - Quote Question....what if CAP goes after land. And they end up owning 25-35%. You guys going to b!tch then as well. Who is going to attack and get all this land. Are you top corps going to leave it open for new comers. Or are all of you going to go after it like candy. Honestly...Nyain San sitting on districts. Strong arming them is 100% wrong. I surprised they sitting by. If anyone doesn't like what someone is doing with there districts. Then go take them. Wake up and take them.. I still think this is a bunch of cry baby stuff. So many failed blitz to Nyian San. To now they have to free up there land. Cause no one can get up at 5am. So for all those failed try's in The past. All the headache and drama all these blitz caused. Now for nothing. Cause some weak cry baby's can't wake up and fight themselves Again a change is needed. But making a corp give it up. And all you guys say they can't field and still you can't wake up.. Wow guess that's the American way. Easy way out stupid political sh!t..... Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe

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