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Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4383	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:13:00 - [31] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: I don't think the issue is the time but rather they're all set to 1 time for a reason, unless they became active recently they couldn't even have half a pc team at that time. Not like I care though dust has been dead to me for a long time now. We attacked last weekend, faced a full team of Nyain San/Chan and Carne Con Papas. It was a tough game, and I can confirm they have their own team active. It's hardly their fault, the mass-attack's fail, the last one.. The corp setting it, threatens to remove us from PC, then ask us to blitz NS with them. lol So poor management is a large reason why nothing has been done. That and all the guys who failed blitzing them, now fight for them So they can field their own players, plus the rest of the community volunteers So there is no chance of this 'blitz' when half the playerbase fights for them.. I was in NS for the last 7 months.. And during that time they were a bit more active than NF. If we truly wanted to "blitz" then we could.. OH, PE, KEQ, TOP, ML. Would be enough. In the past has any decent corp tried to "blitz" them? I mention these corps cuz of their timezone not their allegiance. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 777	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:13:00 - [32] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle That would be Rediculous. If isk wasn't such a deciding factor. ..then sure. But 1 small corp spends 50 mill or rather 150 to take a cargo hub...they go to sleep happy they now in pc. Wake up and somone else has it. So...no. That'd be a horrible idea Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:14:00 - [33] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle You Crazy =ƒÿ¦..(and im the coo coo bird) 1 hour notice. You funny buddy. Corps can't even get ready now with 2 day notice or what ever it is...lol...one hour....ahhhh hahaha Stop it and brain storm for real.."don't be a fuddy duddy Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Roman837 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 777	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:15:00 - [34] - Quote ColdBlooded Max wrote: Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. So u can stack them easier? And be attacked. Yes attacker should have the advantage. But this still allows the defender to put it at a time zone best for them. So yes. Your 0600 districts would be avail to realistic people from north American and open it to Asian timers Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Character Cesar Sousa, CEO of Murphys-Law
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:18:00 - [35] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I personally think you should get 1 hour. If I want to attack you you only get 1 hour to field a team that would make things interesting a real sandbox feel. This would also make having an Alliance a mustthen you could have it were alliance members could have roles in your battles to get into the battle That would be Rediculous. If isk wasn't such a deciding factor. ..then sure. But 1 small corp spends 50 mill or rather 150 to take a cargo hub...they go to sleep happy they now in pc. Wake up and somone else has it. So...no. That'd be a horrible idea Rotflmao....oh my goodness you so right....ahhhhhhhh hahahahaha......wake up sh!ts gone....oh my, my stomach hurts...I would be so so pisseed.... Yeah yeah shhhhhhs shhhhhh quiet. He sleeping, atttttaaaccccckkkkkkk.........lmao Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:19:00 - [36] - Quote Roman837 wrote: ColdBlooded Max wrote: Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. So u can stack them easier? And be attacked. Yes attacker should have the advantage. But this still allows the defender to put it at a time zone best for them. So yes. Your 0600 districts would be avail to realistic people from north American and open it to Asian timers Nooooooo...let's brain storm open world Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 217	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:32:00 - [37] - Quote you guys aren't thinking about this right bring back passive Isk make it were your alliance members can field your battles for you. And make the clone packs cheaper. Then if you wanted to hold land you would have to be in an alliance. If you didn't want to be in an alliance you could just troll other corps by attacking them at your leisure kinda like being a pirate corp. this would make it where anyone could get into PC and holding land would mean something and would be difficult to do I run around carrying nanohives like I'm delivering pizzas XD
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4290	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:36:00 - [38] - Quote Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. Couldn't agree more but I think +-3 hours may be a bit much. Even a 4 hour window would greatly help the situation. Thing is you can't overlap downtime so you would need to choose 0700 to 1000 or 1200 to 1500 in the case of a 4 hour window. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 148	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:45:00 - [39] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Roman837 wrote: Only change needed...is add a plus or minus 3 ours to a district. So if somone sets their district to 1200...The attacker gets to pick if it's 0900 to 1500. Done and done. End of debate. Attacker should have an advantage of picking their best time within the defenders time zone. Couldn't agree more but I think +-3 hours may be a bit much. Even a 4 hour window would greatly help the situation. Thing is you can't overlap downtime so you would need to choose 0700 to 1000 or 1200 to 1500 in the case of a 4 hour window. How about we do something totally new....a total revamp of PC... Always changing tweaking the current system to just make everyone upset... Can we finally talk about this. Get every Real Dust Vet that PC's and k ows PC. Not idiot people that just want to be stupid or have no clue of the game. Everyone says all the hard corp players are gone. Well there still a lot of us here. And honestly im at my wits end with this game. Stuff keeps going backwards then see ya. It's an noting already alwaysbeen listening to cry baby's... Anyways with that said let's trully brain storm and finally get e majority of the group to agree en Devs say yes we can do this or no but we can do this close to it. You know what I mean? Instead of we all type. And CCP does what they want anyways usually listening to dumb new players. .......... Anyways brin back my Logi car swarms are awesome now. Give us our Enforcers back. Why you take away cool things for so long to never bring them back. What was it you all said Devs. We removing Logistics Vehicles and Enforcer tanks to revamp them and release them later.... Still waiting ..... As for PC...enough tweaking...never works does it...Ever...always something and we back here... Let's finally come up with something real and let's Make Alliances mean something...this game can be so much. And it gets less and less in my opinion I tell you what CCP you change this when the time comes. And it's totality bogus. I'm so out. To many new and awesome games for Ps4 to keep dealing with same ol drama Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4291	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:49:00 - [40] - Quote I agree Shadoww. The current timer changes CCP is proposing feel like just a minor tweak that doesn't really solve anything. The problem is timers are too boring of a subject for most players to actually get involved in. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news

Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:49:00 - [41] - Quote Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side.... Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ? Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:51:00 - [42] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I agree Shadoww. The current timer changes CCP is proposing feel like just a minor tweak that doesn't really solve anything. The problem is timers are too boring of a subject for most players to actually get involved in. How is it a boring topic. When it directly affects PC gaming Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4291	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:52:00 - [43] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side.... Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ? If you are actually active at the time of your timers comparable to how much land you are holding I could care less what timers are at. Pokey had a good suggestion that would separate out people "hiding" from people that have timers set to when they are most active: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=187670 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 219	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:52:00 - [44] - Quote I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. I run around carrying nanohives like I'm delivering pizzas XD
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2397	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:54:00 - [45] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: For Old Nyain San I would agree, but now the corporation is a shell of it's former self. Still those timers are going to result in CCP resetting *all* of PC if they aren't addressed. Is this really a bad idea? I mean, PC as it is(was) is little more than a broken joke that amounted to pissing matches and a popularity contest for Isk farming. If it all went away and got reset from square one as a sensible and viable system, wouldn't that benefit the community as a whole as well as the "I play PC so I play the real Dust and you're all below me" crowd by giving the community at large a good reason to participate? I mean, I find it amusing that people consider any part of Dust to be "competitive" at all. Terrible lag and framerates combined with players that are without doubt worse min/maxers than any RPG could ever produce which lead to people being pigeonholed into playing specific fits just "to be competitive". Its silly is what it is. Kids and mouthbreathers beating their chests over pixels. PC isn't competitive, PC is broken. PC needs reworked from square one to ever have any hope of being taken seriously whatsoever by the community at large. If the people who consider themselves the "PC elite" only want to play with themselves and their small fraction of the community why not just give them their own server where they can beat their chests and feel special about themselves in private with other people who might actually give a damn since they feel the same way. If PC is ever to have any appeal to the majority of the playerbase, it needs a serious overhaul, as in, throw out this abomination we have currently and move forward with deliberation rather than rushing something half-baked out so that your friends will be happy. (last comment directed at previous Devs who shall remain unnamed and not Rattati who I actually think is trying to do his best for the game) Ad Space Available Here 1m Isk/day Mail me message after transferring Isk (sig updated upon transfer completion)
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4291	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:56:00 - [46] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:58:00 - [47] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. Can't work man....u need notice....even in real world. You always have notice . Can't mass 100,000 men and someone not notice. So you can't get your 16 and just go attacking people right there and then. What if only 5 players are on. Okay they have an alliance. So what now every corp in alliance has some kind of access to get people in a battle that starts NOW... Come on bro...I told u in the other thread and others told you. That's just plain stupid. No notice.,,stop it dude . That will never happen Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:59:00 - [48] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Reason why I say total revamp...cuz -3 +3 what does that matter. So they put 4am timer means battle at 1am or 7am. That still sucks for people with jobs lives etc etc on american side.... Honestly ...what can we come up with that's fair for both sides of the world ? If you are actually active at the time of your timers comparable to how much land you are holding I could care less what timers are at. Pokey had a good suggestion that would separate out people "hiding" from people that have timers set to when they are most active: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=187670 Wow...lot to read and understand about this fuel system. Not understanding. I need to reread it a few times brb Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 219	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:02:00 - [49] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Maybe make it a defense in real time would be worth more Isk in the payout. perhaps even a separate Payout to corp based on clones destroyed I run around carrying nanohives like I'm delivering pizzas XD
Al the destroyer 0uter.Heaven 219	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:06:00 - [50] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. Can't work man....u need notice....even in real world. You always have notice . Can't mass 100,000 men and someone not notice. So you can't get your 16 and just go attacking people right there and then. What if only 5 players are on. Okay they have an alliance. So what now every corp in alliance has some kind of access to get people in a battle belonging to a different corp that starts NOW... Come on bro...I told u in the other thread and others told you. That's just plain stupid. No notice.,,stop it dude . That will never happen You no think with brain you want to hold land better have friends in all timers BTW I'll say what I want when I want got it chode?! I run around carrying nanohives like I'm delivering pizzas XD

Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:13:00 - [51] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. Can't work man....u need notice....even in real world. You always have notice . Can't mass 100,000 men and someone not notice. So you can't get your 16 and just go attacking people right there and then. What if only 5 players are on. Okay they have an alliance. So what now every corp in alliance has some kind of access to get people in a battle belonging to a different corp that starts NOW... Come on bro...I told u in the other thread and others told you. That's just plain stupid. No notice.,,stop it dude . That will never happen You no think with brain you want to hold land better have friends in all timers BTW I'll say what I want when I want got it chode?! What's a chode? And I never said shut up....and if u talking about me saying, stop it dude.....that's a figure of speech. Like Getattahere. Do I really mean get out of here...no im just saying stop that mess. Do I mean you making a mess. Or your a mess. No just a figure of speech. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4292	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:13:00 - [52] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Maybe make it a defense in real time would be worth more Isk in the payout. perhaps even a separate Payout to corp based on clones destroyed I think a hybrid system where you have real time attacks and attacks with notice could work well. One problem with Planetary Conquest right now is no matter what the stakes are pretty much the same. You are always fighting for ownership of the district and I think that's something that needs to change as well. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:17:00 - [53] - Quote Kain.... Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now. So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer? You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more. So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not? And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:19:00 - [54] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: I just want to make PC fun. It would be fun if when I'm on with my buddies we decide to attack someone we can do it right then and there. Many more ppl would participate in PC if this were the case no one with a life wants to schedule around a game. Let's make the reward much higher with much more risk and I promise you many more will do it. You would have to trust your alliance to have your back and you would have to have theirs. Let's make it easy to do and have a blast doing it. A really good reason that real time raiding of districts needs to be a thing. Same thing for Districts actually going back to producing value, but that production needs to be active. Going back to passive wealth generation really isn't an option. Maybe make it a defense in real time would be worth more Isk in the payout. perhaps even a separate Payout to corp based on clones destroyed I think a hybrid system where you have real time attacks and attacks with notice could work well. One problem with Planetary Conquest right now is no matter what the stakes are pretty much the same. You are always fighting for ownership of the district and I think that's something that needs to change as well. What you mean. I fight for it I own it. Why else would I fight for it? If not to own or benifit by it in some way. Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4292	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:28:00 - [55] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Kain.... Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now. So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer? You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more. So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not? And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up. The key part of the fuel idea is that you can only gather fuel around the timers your districts are set. Say it takes 8 people playing around the timer hour in PC, FW, or Pubs to get enough fuel to maintain the timer on one district. In the case of Nyain San they would have to have 368 players active during 1300 to maintain their current stack of timers. If they fail to maintain that level of activity their timers expand in both directions by an hour (1200-1400). If they can't get 368 equivalent players active between 1200-1400 in their corp then it would expand again to 1200-1600 and so forth. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1500	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:36:00 - [56] - Quote I'm against any idea that forces me to play pubs.
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:36:00 - [57] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ghostt Shadoww wrote: Kain.... Okay I understand the shield/fuel concept now. So, if corp can stay active with in that window. And keep there shield up the 23 hours every day. How will anyone attack the 6am timer? You would to wait for said corp to finally not have so many active players on so attack window opens more. So if I set my timer to my peak corp time. We will always have Fuel. Would we not? And my 6am timer will always stick. Cuz I know my player base and time peak time. So Japan will still do 6am our time 6pm there time. There up playing at this time. So fuel will always be kept up. The key part of the fuel idea is that you can only gather fuel around the timers your districts are set. Say it takes 8 people playing around the timer hour in PC, FW, or Pubs to get enough fuel to maintain the timer on one district. In the case of Nyain San they would have to have 368 players active during 1300 to maintain their current stack of timers. If they fail to maintain that level of activity their timers expand in both directions by an hour (1200-1400). If they can't get 368 equivalent players active between 1200-1400 in their corp then it would expand again to 1200-1600 and so forth. Got it....so Ratios would need to be set based on corp/alliance size etc? How would you come up with what need for a corp to have active during set time. and is the concept saying. The more land you own the more players you need to have active for fuel? Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4292	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:45:00 - [58] - Quote Ghostt Shadoww wrote: and is the concept saying. The more land you own the more players you need to have active for fuel? Correct. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Viktor's Alt Negative-Impact Back and Forth 11	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:49:00 - [59] - Quote If anyone sends attacks on nyian contact me i would like to fight them. Not that I hate nyian or think they are selfish I just want some fights.
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 150	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:51:00 - [60] - Quote Viktor's Alt wrote: If anyone sends attacks on nyian contact me i would like to fight them. Not that I hate nyian or think they are selfish I just want some fights and think it will be fun. This has nothing to do with a blitz...this is about changing PC totally..... Lead by example and give feedback not BS pls u a dust vet...brain storm with us. Stop being a douce Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe



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