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Aeon Amadi wrote:

I haven't dabbled in HAVs much (used to in closed beta when we had the Surya and what not but not since).

Just my amateur feedback:

Assuming that we're sticking with the whole 'Armor Blaster circles the Gunnlogi' bit, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from just chilling in one spot? I think I mentioned it before but if the Gunnlogi only has to worry about what he's aiming at, and the Maddie has to worry about what he's aiming at -AND- where he's driving, it seems a little skewed in favor toward the Gunnlogi.

Just as well, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from abusing the turn speed gimmicks? You can always just turn the vehicle itself to increase tracking speed. The Gunnlogi would have to have -really- slow turn/tracking speed if we're expecting him to not be able to fight back against a faster armor tank.

Another concern I have is why we're trying to make the Armor tank the one that focuses on manueverability when armor is naturally supposed to be slower, and further weighed down by plates makes this even worse?

I like the concept provided but I'm just concerned that it'll be too hard for armor tanks to engage in Anti-Tank gameplay as opposed to just being infantry killers. If that's what their design is, then I have no problem with it, but if that's the case Infantry needs to be able to have an easier time taking out Gunnlogis since most Infantry AV weaponry is geared toward armor. We need a healthy rock/paper/scissors gameplay.

Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.

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Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1401	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:30:00 - [1411] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: ... Some differences: - Never fit 60 mm plates or light shield extenders. On any vehicle. If you do this, you have a bad fitting. - Never fit non complex hardeners. On any vehicle. If you do this, you have a bad fitting. I agree with light plating/shielding being next to useless with the current AV numbers, in most cast it does't even enable you to last any longer. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2710	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:33:00 - [1412] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: lolwut? 60 seconds of uptime followed by 15 seconds cooldown. the cooldown was never huge. The primary reason a lot of that stuff was nerfed was... The Surya. Even with hardeners up the Sagaris could be splashed out of existence, it was just an unrighteous pain in the ass doing it. But combined with the Surya's EHP and short cooldown reps and things could get a little out of hand. This chart that I found must be wrong then, or got numbers mixed up or something. It's saying 35 second cooldown click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2710	Posted - 2015.01.21 22:57:00 - [1413] - Quote Just a suguestion for you my Lord Master Splinter, although having nothing to do with HAV's, but LAV's (to be honest, we need to cover all vehicles, not just HAV's): Play The Crew, and use raid spec vehicles. THAT is a good model of how a LAV should handle imo. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1352	Posted - 2015.01.21 23:24:00 - [1414] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: You may all point and laugh at my naivete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctr9ZfeyvXg Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
killian178 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 80	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:43:00 - [1415] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I haven't dabbled in HAVs much (used to in closed beta when we had the Surya and what not but not since). Just my amateur feedback: Assuming that we're sticking with the whole 'Armor Blaster circles the Gunnlogi' bit, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from just chilling in one spot? I think I mentioned it before but if the Gunnlogi only has to worry about what he's aiming at, and the Maddie has to worry about what he's aiming at -AND- where he's driving, it seems a little skewed in favor toward the Gunnlogi. Just as well, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from abusing the turn speed gimmicks? You can always just turn the vehicle itself to increase tracking speed. The Gunnlogi would have to have -really- slow turn/tracking speed if we're expecting him to not be able to fight back against a faster armor tank. Another concern I have is why we're trying to make the Armor tank the one that focuses on manueverability when armor is naturally supposed to be slower, and further weighed down by plates makes this even worse? I like the concept provided but I'm just concerned that it'll be too hard for armor tanks to engage in Anti-Tank gameplay as opposed to just being infantry killers. If that's what their design is, then I have no problem with it, but if that's the case Infantry needs to be able to have an easier time taking out Gunnlogis since most Infantry AV weaponry is geared toward armor. We need a healthy rock/paper/scissors gameplay. He was talking about the enforcer class tank in general, not the maddie, right? Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15371	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:23:00 - [1416] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rattati at least should appreciate the names I put on the minmatar dropships, if he makes the connection to what they are. I do and they are awesome "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16745	Posted - 2015.01.22 03:45:00 - [1417] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rattati at least should appreciate the names I put on the minmatar dropships, if he makes the connection to what they are. I do and they are awesome I'm trying to find out some similar stuff for the Amarr but my original searches using breaking Judaic angels theme led me into Assyrian and Babylonian creationism myths. Anshar/Anshur - was the name for a tank I came up with. It's means literally "sky pivot" but is composed of the words An- Heaven and Shar/Shur- Horizon or End Kishar/Kishur is the opposite and means Earth Pivot composed of Earth and Horizon or End. In Amarr it could mean something similar such as Earth Horizon, "temporal end", gate to heaven. Etc I find the Amarr hard to name for since their cultural basis isn't immediately obvious. Karkadan and Kargadan, or KhaRga represents a mythological carnivorous creatures that was like the apotheosis to the unicorn, and often depicted as a Rhinoceros. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 730	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:01:00 - [1418] - Quote [quote=True Adamance] Karkadan and Kargadan, or KhaRga represents a mythological carnivorous creatures that was like the apotheosis to the unicorn, and often depicted as a Rhinoceros. /quote] My Amarr tank karkadan Kardashian and my Amarr dropship, kargadan Cardigan.... Has a ring to it. I might rename my Incubus to Kardashian. Big rear, depends more on looks than actual talent. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 15375	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:02:00 - [1419] - Quote Everyone, this has been pain and pleasure. Let me manage expectations a little bit. I will now post a Turret thread where we can discuss exact finetuning of existing Turrets. I have been reviewing the numbers and there are a few questions we need to answer, define purpose exactly and then lock them down. I will also post my preferred progression of vehicle hulls in another thread, and my preferred modules to bring back, in line with the design intent. I am locking this thread now, but I have all the spreadsheets and you can contact me directly at [email protected] "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"



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