Hi everyone,

can someone link/create "undebatable" prototype fits for both HAVs and Dropships. I need this for the next steps.

Hi everyone,

can someone link/create "undebatable" prototype fits for both HAVs and Dropships. I need this for the next steps.

Using infantry fitting logic, it goes ADV hull + proto weapon and fill in relative mods with adv to std. This is not so easy with HAV's and reduces options.

When playing around in protofits, I immediately get annoyed by the need for pg/cpu mods.

@ Breaking

I occured to me that though we are dropping our fav fits for the current build we ought to go over beast mode fits from your spreadsheet.

The same goes for True, pokey, thaddeus and the like.

Anybod with proper chrome or Pre 1.8 tank fits for enforcers and maruaders ought to put up thier favorite ones as well.

Put it in your signature or something guys, I can't keep scrolling through near 70 pages of comments.

Update: Changed Nanofiber plates to polycrystalline plates, renamed the third tier of plates Rolled Tungsten.

Re-adding nanofiber plates as the ferroscale analogs as soon as my brain is up to kit-bashing them.

Unless anyone can think of a reason not to I'm going to use the percentage differences between dropsuit plates and dropsuit ferroscales.

Nanofiber plate movement penalty intended to be 50% of standard plates.

Will hammer the numbers when I get home from work tomorrow morning.

I haven't dabbled in HAVs much (used to in closed beta when we had the Surya and what not but not since).

Just my amateur feedback:

Assuming that we're sticking with the whole 'Armor Blaster circles the Gunnlogi' bit, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from just chilling in one spot? I think I mentioned it before but if the Gunnlogi only has to worry about what he's aiming at, and the Maddie has to worry about what he's aiming at -AND- where he's driving, it seems a little skewed in favor toward the Gunnlogi.

Just as well, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from abusing the turn speed gimmicks? You can always just turn the vehicle itself to increase tracking speed. The Gunnlogi would have to have -really- slow turn/tracking speed if we're expecting him to not be able to fight back against a faster armor tank.

Another concern I have is why we're trying to make the Armor tank the one that focuses on manueverability when armor is naturally supposed to be slower, and further weighed down by plates makes this even worse?

I like the concept provided but I'm just concerned that it'll be too hard for armor tanks to engage in Anti-Tank gameplay as opposed to just being infantry killers. If that's what their design is, then I have no problem with it, but if that's the case Infantry needs to be able to have an easier time taking out Gunnlogis since most Infantry AV weaponry is geared toward armor. We need a healthy rock/paper/scissors gameplay.

I haven't dabbled in HAVs much (used to in closed beta when we had the Surya and what not but not since).

Just my amateur feedback:

Assuming that we're sticking with the whole 'Armor Blaster circles the Gunnlogi' bit, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from just chilling in one spot? I think I mentioned it before but if the Gunnlogi only has to worry about what he's aiming at, and the Maddie has to worry about what he's aiming at -AND- where he's driving, it seems a little skewed in favor toward the Gunnlogi.

Just as well, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from abusing the turn speed gimmicks? You can always just turn the vehicle itself to increase tracking speed. The Gunnlogi would have to have -really- slow turn/tracking speed if we're expecting him to not be able to fight back against a faster armor tank.

Another concern I have is why we're trying to make the Armor tank the one that focuses on manueverability when armor is naturally supposed to be slower, and further weighed down by plates makes this even worse?

I like the concept provided but I'm just concerned that it'll be too hard for armor tanks to engage in Anti-Tank gameplay as opposed to just being infantry killers. If that's what their design is, then I have no problem with it, but if that's the case Infantry needs to be able to have an easier time taking out Gunnlogis since most Infantry AV weaponry is geared toward armor. We need a healthy rock/paper/scissors gameplay.

I'm thinking if Rattati uses anything resembling my DPS values we're going to need to SEVERELY consider the following due to the damage slowdowns I am proposing:

1: Some splash returned to rails, representing a hybrid charge with a warhead load rather than a straight tungsten sabot. Most of what I'm doing is slowing the rate of fire. We might want to give thought to severely reducing or removing the heat penalty from rails if we go this route of slow fire alpha. No point penalizing HAV drivers for having at baseline slightly more DPS than a forge gun (Your skills will still take your numbers much higher though, the alpha on the proto, unmodded has the potential to hit 2,187 Alpha before any damage mods are accounted for. upwards around 838 DPS if double-modded. Enforcers are going to hit harder than breach forges easily).

If you read the Advanced Hybrid Rail Charges you'll see that only one of them is actually a Sabot, the other is a cannister round that fires pellets. I just use Sabot's because I like running off the APFSDS acronym. Sounds amazingly cool!

I also updated that post with additional info adamance, re-read.

The ones that True linked are the Meta Fits (minor alterations exist depending on the specific user and weather or not they want small guns)...I'd hardly call them unbeatable, but they are the current meta

all other slots are pilot preference (although armor plate and pg upgrade are the preference for solo users)

Either:
Gunnlogi
Proto Large Gun
2x Extenders
1x Hardener

or

Gunnlogi
Proto Large Gun
2x Hardener
1x Extender

I'd also like to that that usually a rail is added to that fit

Are not the commonly accepted "highly competitive" anti tank fits fully plated up Gunnlogi with multiple damage modules? Or is this the commonly accepted "best tank".

All I know is that these are the commonly accepted Pub Tank fits I've come across while driving in the last few sessions I've [played.

I am not asking you to play your hand so we can nerf the OP. I am trying to find the best fit, so we can figure out at least 1 or two alternative equal fits to those.

When playing around in protofits, I immediately get annoyed by the need for pg/cpu mods.

Using infantry fitting logic, it goes ADV hull + proto weapon and fill in relative mods with adv to std. This is not so easy with HAV's and reduces options.

Another thing, not new, is that the problems usually come with stacking modules. How adverse are pilots to more "good mod" but only one per fitting?

I'm pretty sure people get that.

As for your second part, stacking used to be fine (as in, 1.6 and back). About the only problem was active reps doing slightly too much to the point of not raising your TTK, it made you against certain things a brick that couldn't be killed (blasters had this problem), and nerfing them slightly would solve that. HArdeners weren't OP, as they had a long ass cooldown, so popping a lot of them owuld mean a long ass downtime due to very low tank, and having only one wouldn't give you much of a added tank difference (this was especially bad on Squid HAV's due to their very low active times). Plates and extenders were a non issue for stacking, especially plates and the speed reduction that came with them. etc. etc, you get my point.

Just as well, what is to stop a Gunnlogi from abusing the turn speed gimmicks? You can always just turn the vehicle itself to increase tracking speed. The Gunnlogi would have to have -really- slow turn/tracking speed if we're expecting him to not be able to fight back against a faster armor tank.

Another concern I have is why we're trying to make the Armor tank the one that focuses on manueverability when armor is naturally supposed to be slower, and further weighed down by plates makes this even worse?

I like the concept provided but I'm just concerned that it'll be too hard for armor tanks to engage in Anti-Tank gameplay as opposed to just being infantry killers. If that's what their design is, then I have no problem with it, but if that's the case Infantry needs to be able to have an easier time taking out Gunnlogis since most Infantry AV weaponry is geared toward armor. We need a healthy rock/paper/scissors gameplay.

I'm thinking if Rattati uses anything resembling my DPS values we're going to need to SEVERELY consider the following due to the damage slowdowns I am proposing:

1: Some splash returned to rails, representing a hybrid charge with a warhead load rather than a straight tungsten sabot. Most of what I'm doing is slowing the rate of fire. We might want to give thought to severely reducing or removing the heat penalty from rails if we go this route of slow fire alpha. No point penalizing HAV drivers for having at baseline slightly more DPS than a forge gun (Your skills will still take your numbers much higher though, the alpha on the proto, unmodded has the potential to hit 2,187 Alpha before any damage mods are accounted for. upwards around 838 DPS if double-modded. Enforcers are going to hit harder than breach forges easily).

2: Some dispersion reduction to Blasters. Not because of Infantry per se, that's only part of it, but because they're going to need to be able to consistently slam shots accurately into vehicle sized targets all the way out to their optimal cutoff.

3: Increased splash radius to missiles. If he goes with my numbers you aren't going to be able to machinegun the damn things anymore, so they'll need something to make them viable. they will also need to have the actual projectile accelerated so they can HIT targets outside blaster optimal.

I say this as an AV gunner:

HAVs, while they should not be lazily farming Infantry kills, SHOULD retain the capacity to both fight back against hostile infantry AV, and provide meaningful fire support to suppress enemies in support of an Infantry push.

Simply making HAVs anti-vehicle is a rather shallow role with only so much battlefield utility. We need to broaden the perspective or the role will stagnate again.

Are not the commonly accepted "highly competitive" anti tank fits fully plated up Gunnlogi with multiple damage modules? Or is this the commonly accepted "best tank".

All I know is that these are the commonly accepted Pub Tank fits I've come across while driving in the last few sessions I've [played.

I was a fan of the hybrid tanked Vayu with 7K shields, and a little "teamwork" if you know what I mean

This, however, was only tested in the early bits of Uprising and not Chrome.

They had 15 second cool downs didn't they.....? I wouldn't call that long ass.....

lolwut?