Heavy reps on a LLV would be pushing it, it was already doing good without heavy ones.

As long as the slug throwing sized guns have decreased efficiency/ lower alpha/dps than their Larger equivalents that should be fine.

the way I'm working it is blasters have the highest overall DPS, Missiles are middle ground, Rails are the Alpha kings.

I'm removing the ability of a heavy missile turret to close on a madrugar or Surya and LOLarmorshotgunmissileblap the damn things. Missiles are going to be a medium sustained rate of fire rather than being able to saturate a target with 2700 DPS all in one giant frontload of death.

Hey Thaddeus, can I get you to give me a table that does a burst fire setup? I need a charge time, burst shot count and burst interval.

kinda like if you added a forge gun charge to the combat rifle. only without the burst interval.

Forge guns are anti armor

Do you still need it?

Yup.

gimmie a skype handle and I'll contact ya

I genuinely await the moment CCP Rattati extends this vehicle feed back into large turrets..... something also needs to be done about the large blaster..... it's just..... too easy to use..... even account for the shots I miss due to poor luck.....

Logged in for the first time in months and played 3 rounds in my Soma, and one in my Gunnlogi (mainly to test the mobility profiles which honestly I don't feel I can complain about) snagged 37 Kills (4 of which were enemy tanks) for the loss of one Soma (and the accompanying Officer Fit I was in simply to oblige whoever killed me with a juicy ISK efficiency rating).

Rails and Missiles easily beats the **** out of a blaster fit, and Thaddeus's blaster solution solves it imo. it's more of a large scale weapon it seems (having a low ammo count, and not being such a fast ROF weapon, but still doing a good amount of damage).

I'm not saying it doesn't and holistically I like the suggestions Thaddeus, Breaking, and Pokey Dravon have suggested however I disagree with Thaddeus's "Shotgun" Blaster idea. Not because I think it is bad but simply not quite "right".

A Shotgun in a fundamental manner would not be good at dealing with penetration of things (do correctly me if I am wrong) due to its design being to project a grouping of fragments/pellets at a target also because the calibre of the pellets is small and not designed for long distance projection and thus would suffer against solid surfaces.

If I am also not mistaken Shotgun can fire Slug Rounds which are designed to penetrate targets.

Now again we have never truly had the fundamentals of Vehicle Shield and Armour operation in Dust 514 properly confirmed but I don't believe a "Shotgun Turret" would function efficiently.

Though arguably my own suggestion is rather similar to Thaddeus' own in the sense that the Blaster I envision is a tri-barrelled electron accelerator that fires three almost simultaneous hybrid charges containing specific atoms suspended in a plasma state.

This ideally would function in the same manner as a tandem warhead.

The Three rounds fire directly and with minimal dispersion in a triangle sharped grouping. In terms of gameplay these rounds would almost land simultaneously each with its own small splash damage zone, the three in total comprising the equivalent of a full Railgun Volley, albeit with a slightly shorter reload to ensure DPS supremacy but not a huge supremacy.

The design of which sees the three hybrid charged detonate in close proximity to one another one after the other hopefully achieving increased penetrative power.

Fundamentally you could argue this is a shotgun weapon..... which.... it kind of is.

http://www.univers-virtuels.net/imgs/gc12/ccp/DUST514/Art/ConceptArt/Vehicles/caldari_HAV_GallenteTurret.jpg

If you have ever seen this picture..... you'll see what I mean.

Honestly and I'll put it out there. I'd like to see every large turret in Dust 514 become a Main Battle Cannon. And I believe this can be achieved while keeping in mind the identity of the weapon, its functionality, and its characteristics according to CCP's designed in EVE online.

Not an hour ago I was in a match chasing a scout down a hill with an Ion Canon and put rounds into him at about 40m. I was honestly thinking to myself how much more badass this would have been if my turret had been a railgun or an Electron Cannon.....as such the experience was cheapened by how easy the Blast ripped this poor guy apart.

That is a argument of lore, which is silly tbh (@ Kane, THIS is what a argument of lore looks like). You're quite literally arguing for less shells with higher damaging shells. Hell, seeing as we have the maching gun now, and has existed in the lore, yet can eat through armor, I don't want to hear "a shotgun might not be able to eat through the armor". As for it not penning jack, I've heard of tanks being fitted with cannons that took cluster shells (basically a oversized shotgun shell), Sabot and HE/HEAT rounds had lots of fragmentation to act as sort of a shotgun effect of small pieces spreading through the tank, and I saw a canister shell going through a wall once, so yea, you can say that there is tanks that has shotguns on them.

And plasma is plasma, it seems that if the bigger the amount of plasma is thrown, the more damage you do, and in that case, this works.

As for making blasters (or AC's, or any laser) into actual cannons like a rail, no. That is a silly thing to do. It makes sense that blasters are like that in EVE, because

1: They are ******* space ships, so large caliber shelling makes sense

2: when you are in close range, and is moving fast, you don't want to have a precision weapon, as every shot counts.

3: Turrets would have different ranges, And it's a hell of a lot easier to engage someone from a distance AND run away in Dust than it is in EVE, regardless of fit. He who engages first always has the advantage in those situations.

4: Specifically for the AC, why in the **** would a AC be a cannon? By definition it can't be. Even on the model of the Autocannon ingame it fires more than one shot (which makes little sense, I guess they either all hit or all miss).

5: That would cut off much of the variation possible in the game. You could say sure, why not have a variant of the blaster that fires a slug, or a really tight shot (in which I named the compressed blaster), but saying "only cannons are allowed" is just ridiculous. Hell, as said above, it makes the AC make ZERO sense, and by logic, wouldn't be a large turret at all.

As I've said I don't deny Thaddeus suggestion I a Good one. It is. I've just been talking about it with him and I can argue both ways about it for and against.

I simply think mine is better. I've a means to balance all turrets to roughly similar DPS values, differing alpha's, forms of fire, etc all that good stuff while keeping the fundamental identity of the weapons themselves while keeping them roughly to a single shot long reload (arguably realistic) model.

Now sure when it comes to rounds there are canister rounds that fire shells that fragment on impact and assuming Thaddeus rounds work like that (which I know they don't since he told me he wants them in a magazine something I am somewhat opposed to) that would be fine since it ensures relatively accurate delivery of the fragments.

However I simply think that the Gallente could achieve a better anti tank gun (and hell I think in my suggestions Thaddeus actually altered the Void rounds so they fired in his shotgun manner) by firing three subsequent hybrid charges with a closer grouping for better accuracy even if their shot has a noticeably falloff.

If we are talking AutoCannons..... I think Thaddeus and I just agreed that you ideally wouldn't fire auto cannons to a tank when a large calibre artillery piece would simply do better.

However I am not saying I don' want AC and such in the game. I simply see them in a different place.....perhaps mounted to Dropships, Fighters, LAV, or MAV or maybe even as Light Turrets.

@ Thaddeus- What do you mean by giant MD? You have quite long ranges on your Arties, but MD's are known for being really bad at long range. How do you plan on fixing that? A fast flying shell, or indirect fire? Also, why is it full auto with such a long interval between shots?

Also, I was thinking that I didn't like the idea of reintroducing tiers, but I get using vehicles as a starting point. However, in EVE, the differences of the sizes in class of the turrets was stronger for less tracking. Is this your intent?

A giant Mass Driver with a faster shell and a less eccentric arc to address Range Issues, but anything to give them artillery functionality (I was just suggesting a simple method for modifying an existing weapon so not much new has to be done).

and Full Auto mainly because of Auto-fill, I'll update shortly

Tiered Turrets are already part of DUST, but I would like to see downsides to using larger ones, in my current suggestion, you sacrifice transport capacity for higher stats...but lower tracking is also an option

It'd also need a way better sight than the MD (because you know, MD has that terribad hip sight, and even worse actual sight) too. As for the desc, I did see that, I was just wondering for more of a elaboration. So faster shot. I'd like to see indirect fire tbh, but as you said, lots of work would need to be done. Maybe later on hopefully.

Okay. Damn autofill messing up people -_-

You misunderstand, I mean rather than tierciding them, putting back in tiered turrets. I forgot about the seat thing, but as we discussed before, that would only be temporary, until the devs can put in more things for HAV's to do as well as more importantly MAV's in which these new seats is supposed to make up for. There would still need to be a "Other" thing it could possibly make up for.

Though I hate using bullet pointed numbers I kinda have to reply.

1.) I do not think the Shotgun turret as Thaddeus has outlined it to my understand is necessarily reflecting modern day technologies or particularly realistic. I say this due to the method of the delivery of the fragments. To my understanding he intends for the rounds to fly free from the muzzle of the main gun. I would argue this is probably an inefficient means of delivering the rounds as energy would burn off during the delivery wouldn't it? If he suggested the shot gun was fired initially from a canister and then fragmented at range to reduce the spread and energy burn off then I think I could perhaps better accept it. Also yeah there are Cannister rounds that fire those fragmentation balls you were talking about but again would suggest they'd be ineffective against tank armours for the most part and simply better for the depiction perhaps of an anti personell round of a smaller calibre cannon. Especially when drawing from modern examples and honestly "logical process" (I understand this is subjective) I would think the technologies that go into tank production in New Eden would account for smaller calibre charges from the main weapons of the four empires and disperse the forces at work across a wider area.

I certainly think the Shotgun shell could work as a variant ....like I Thaddeus may well have intended when he put that into the original excel sheet but would function as a less effective cannon type in terms of direct/accurate damage application.