DUST Search - (Exploit) Swapping suits at supply depot mid fight

Jack the Rlpper wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I hate this exploit with all of my hate

It's not an exploit. It's bad game design.

If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero.

Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :)

agreed but I will just blame myself instead

Hey CCP I have spent $140.00 on aurum getting respecs each time and each time i get the respec and use it i get dc'd after spending my sp into what i want and when i come back on all the sp is in totally different things i would like my $140.00 worth aur refunded so I can try to get my respec and spend my sp again and hope it does not mess up I dont want to have bad service with you guys after investing so much and writing so many tickets and still nothing yet.

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5063	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:50:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
G Felix 245	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:59:00 - [62] - Quote It's been suggested already, and I agree that the simplest fix for this is having to reload whatever weapon is now equipped as soon as the switch is made. It would have a particularly noticeable effect on heavy fits, which tend to carry weapons with longer reload times and have significantly higher HP pools. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12032	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:00:00 - [63] - Quote A fix might be "shield and hp % carries over" "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12032	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:00:00 - [64] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 650	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:09:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: A fix might be "shield and hp % carries over" Base values might be more damning. Folks don't switch out for an EWAR scout when caught in oh sh!t moments.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7312	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:22:00 - [66] - Quote Now that I think about it, I really don't understand the Supply Depot in the first place... For such a small installation, I can't help but wonder how the thing carries every conceivable manner of war for everyone to use at any time without stock limitations... Bleh, we'll just go with 'nanite swarms' that have all the blueprints to everything. Nanite Swarms that soon won't complete construction on new suits because #ConcordReasons. Not to say that I'm supporting the current system but uhhh.... Really doesn't make much sense either way. Long-Term Roadmap "It's very important for us to hear their feedback" Gäó
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 430	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:24:00 - [67] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. That's a pretty good idea!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5063	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:27:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Uh oh. We're not going to see low self-esteem Rattati, are we? It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Jack the Rlpper Fearless Infinity 14	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:28:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Hey CCP I have spent $140.00 on aurum getting respecs each time and each time i get the respec and use it i get dc'd after spending my sp into what i want and when i come back on all the sp is in totally different things i would like my $140.00 worth aur refunded so I can try to get my respec and spend my sp again and hope it does not mess up I dont want to have bad service with you guys after investing so much and writing so many tickets and still nothing yet.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8602	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:30:00 - [70] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Hey CCP I have spent $140.00 on aurum getting respecs each time and each time i get the respec and use it i get dc'd after spending my sp into what i want and when i come back on all the sp is in totally different things i would like my $140.00 worth aur refunded so I can try to get my respec and spend my sp again and hope it does not mess up I dont want to have bad service with you guys after investing so much and writing so many tickets and still nothing yet. This made my head hurt. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5066	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:31:00 - [71] - Quote Oh look, its a crown prince of Nigeria but without the incredible offer or decent grammar. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12037	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:42:00 - [72] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Uh oh. We're not going to see low self-esteem Rattati, are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHbNU9WuVgw lel "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 462	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:44:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Uh oh. We're not going to see low self-esteem Rattati, are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHbNU9WuVgw I wonder how long it will take for at least 3 people to like that post. DO NOT IGNORE MY SIG!
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 80	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:54:00 - [74] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=exploit
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5067	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:56:00 - [75] - Quote Let's just be thankful he isn't going in this direction with his life. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 80	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:04:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate im glad we can agree its an exploit Mr. Rattati thankyou for chiming in on my humble posthope we can come up with a solution for it together o7
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5068	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:11:00 - [77] - Quote Creepy... It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6155	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:13:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate This may not be possible, but what if changing out suits involved a dial much like hacking or recalling vehicles, instead of simply pressing the circle button and having immediate access? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7314	Posted - 2014.11.25 05:14:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Uh oh. We're not going to see low self-esteem Rattati, are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHbNU9WuVgw lel Should listen to this instead. http://youtu.be/SqAtj5Uy6Q8 Long-Term Roadmap "It's very important for us to hear their feedback" Gäó
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 440	Posted - 2014.11.25 06:48:00 - [80] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. In a worlld where BPO suits can jihad jeep with BPO LAVs to kill 400k + isk tanks 27k isk Gorgon can kamikazee a 300k+ isk ADS is not only deemed fair but somethin the GM actively encourages why is changing suits underfire in need of special attention? Why is this any less than an "exploit" than jihading? A bit of a strawman yes, but still, infantry needs to HTFU Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 441	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:19:00 - [81] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: A fix might be "shield and hp % carries over" Add to that equipment and you are New God. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2124	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:22:00 - [82] - Quote Simple fix. give it a timer after you have switched suit before you can switch again. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5069	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:25:00 - [83] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Simple fix. give it a timer after you have switched suit before you can switch again. That's not a fix. I only need to change suits once to kick your ass. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2124	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:28:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: A fix might be "shield and hp % carries over" might i say that is the most stupid idea ever? you are changing OUT of a damaged suit and changing IN to a DIFFERENT and UNDAMAGED suit.. Now it seems fair one can go to a supply depo and change suit mid fight as downside is your vulnerable to RE traps or grenades or being shot while you peruse your list of suits OK? The main problem is people who repeatedly switch suits JUST to refresh their hp.. solution.. add a 30 second timer so a player who just switched suits so they cannot switch again for 30 seconds. your welcome. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2124	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:31:00 - [85] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Simple fix. give it a timer after you have switched suit before you can switch again. That's not a fix. I only need to change suits once to kick your ass. once seems fair.. but i believe the major problem is people who switch suits constantly while camping a supply depo.. this is the most effective way to deny an area of the map on some sockets.. you may know the ones.. L shaped building with the supply depo in the nook of the L shaped building... only viable way to solve this currently is to destroy the silo or they will just continue to switch suits even in the midst of MD fire , grenades, fluxes.. and more.. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Stevez Lau Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:41:00 - [86] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate At least we have been seen. Though I will note that the player I mentioned was killed by me twice earlier and he rage quit so he stopped doing whatever it was he did and started to normal remote camp.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1312	Posted - 2014.11.25 10:36:00 - [87] - Quote The ability to switch suits should just be removed. It fixes most of the equipment spam and a lot of the complaints vehicle users ate having with swarms. Part of the fun of the game is trying to decide what to wear to the party and having the ability to chanhe that at a whim is removing a whole layer of strategy. Because, that's why.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 463	Posted - 2014.11.25 11:09:00 - [88] - Quote I never understood why we switch suites at a supply depot to begin with. It's not like you undress your clone and slip into something more comfortable,... you literally change your clone. So, in my eyes a CRU is the right place for this, while the supply depot is used for restocking gear. Regardless, unless you trade in your clone with 100% health (Armour), it should be discarded as would any defective material, and you loose the suite (it would not return to your inventory). If you want to hot swap 10 suites in the middle of the battle, fine....But you will loose 9 of them in the process. The only difference to staying in your suite (and dying) would be a nicer KDR, financially it would be the same. This puts a very real cost on hot swapping, withouth resorting to artificial limitations as damage transfer and time limits.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 344	Posted - 2014.11.25 11:10:00 - [89] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: The ability to switch suits should just be removed. It fixes most of the equipment spam and a lot of the complaints vehicle users ate having with swarms. Part of the fun of the game is trying to decide what to wear to the party and having the ability to chanhe that at a whim is removing a whole layer of strategy. That wouldn't change anything for tanks, back in the days of unlimited ammo, when tanks used to destroy every depot, I just suicided my clone to get back with AV... And I'll do that anytime, the depot is to far away. Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Jack Boost Zarena Family 505	Posted - 2014.11.25 11:56:00 - [90] - Quote Actualy this is fair feature then exploit. Why? This takes time. This is your and yours opponent risk to change or engage this situation. You dont like it , but this -quasi-exploit can do anyone... and this is fair. You are aware more then any 'official exploit' in this game like: - murder taxi (no time for vehicle 'mount' ;) - scout's 'decloak' + weapon shot that can be done only by someone in specific situations. Supply depot is now valid strategical target. Just now, after vehicle changes. Only changes can be: - changing dropsuit only at clone vat - but this negates supply depots (you still drop all nano or any exploited dropsuit with min/max HP regen abilites) - at supply depot you can refil ammo - and this will work like smal clone vat - without clones So again ... this is not exploit. Not much time left...



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