DUST Search - (Exploit) Swapping suits at supply depot mid fight

Thumb Green wrote:

Supply depots have long been a broken mechanic allowing people to not only switch to a suit with 100% health but also granting them temporary invincibility after they switch suits. Most of the time this isn't much of an issue because people are using it to legitimately switch suits or heal up after a fight. It's during a fight that this becomes an issue where people that are about to die can quickly switch suits and become invincible for a few moments which is usually long enough for them to kill the person that was about to kill them and it also gives them an edge against anyone else that is there.

My first suggestion is to remove the copy & pasted spawn mechanic used for switching suits so that there is no period that a player is unable to take damage after switching suits.

My second suggestion is to make it so that after switching suits you only have 25-50% of that suit's armor and no shields depending on suit type.Of course this would unfairly penalize people that are legitimately switching suits, especially those without armor reps. Which is why I also propose that after switching suits a players gains 5 or so armor reps per second depending on the suit until the difference is repped. So say a scout suit has 366 armor but after switching, it starts with 183 armor and begins repping itself until it has repped 183 points of armor; but a heavy suit with 1195 armor would start with 298 armor and would rep itself until 897 points of armor have been repped. This also should take into account any other reps (rep tool, hives, and modules) so that heavy couldn't get repped up by a logi and then have magic reps for a bit.

If it's possible for this to only apply when an enemy is within a certain distance of the supply depot then that would work out great as well. (I'm not sure how much of this would require a client side update)

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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2571	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:09:00 - [31] - Quote Hot swapping should be a tactical decision, not a "oh I'm dying, quickly get to the supply depot". However I have grown to accept this the way it is to be honest guys. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1469	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:36:00 - [32] - Quote hold that wrote: Vote shinobi CPM I look up to people like you and a few others , there are a lot of talented people in this community that keeps one on their toes . That would prob ruin my marriage because I love Asian women and a lot of people just don't get where I'm coming from and I could go over as a jerk sometimes . CPM's have to deal with too much . Edit : I know that you were just kidding though but I appreciate it . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 627	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:26:00 - [33] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... Hard to take you seriously when you want to dismiss a valid and long-running issue because OP doesn't care about grammar. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 37	Posted - 2014.11.24 15:39:00 - [34] - Quote I say leave the ability to switch out when in trouble. Pursuers should be able to see this coming and avoid that HMG sentinel. However put a cooldown timer on when you can switch back to avoid people abusing the mechanic and constantly switching out during a fight. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 125	Posted - 2014.11.24 16:30:00 - [35] - Quote It kind of sucks when a near dead scout becomes a full fledged Sentinel / Assault, but I still view it as a valid tactic. It's not a bug, so 'exploiting' the hot swap is akin to 'exploiting' the RR range, or the DS altitude. Maybe a cool down timer to limit how often you can do it, but otherwise I'm not anxious about the proposals. KDR - Kill Die Repeat
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 903	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:08:00 - [36] - Quote No
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8210	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:09:00 - [37] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Agreed. It's just ridiculous that a scout can run away to a supply depot and switch to a sentinel at full HP and mow down his pursuers because he's losing a fight. Leads to some funny moments though. Was chasing down a scout, he heads to a red supply depot, switches to heavy. Me being a Min Scout, I go right up to it, start hacking and strafe around the depot. He can't touch me. Switch out to MY Minmatar Heavy. WRECK THE DUDE Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 5072	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:23:00 - [38] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: That's a pretty simple solution and I support it 100 percent. The other option is to make you reload your weapons as soon as you swap at a depot. I actually like your solution better. Any suit you switch to at a Supply depot starts with empty clips, so you have to reload before you can do anything. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 118	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:25:00 - [39] - Quote Shouldn't be able to swap out to anything on the fly just to pull out a hard counter. Needs to be a primary and secondary fit and you are limited to whatever you chose to run on thise two fits before the match. Therefore, if you didn't fit AV or scrub fit then tough. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 367	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:28:00 - [40] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. boom you just won dust I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2284	Posted - 2014.11.24 17:34:00 - [41] - Quote Clone Alpha, You make a very good point about supply depots and I support your suggestion.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 757	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:09:00 - [42] - Quote My god... I can't believe that this thread exists. Lets just remove suits, weapons, vehicles, turrets, CRUs and supply depots and turn this into Hello Kitty 514 This thread is an embarrassment
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 582	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:19:00 - [43] - Quote The most irritating exploit is swapping suits multiple times in a fight to refill armor. I'm OK with it if you want to put away your swarm launcher and then actually try to fight, but annoyed when you switch multiple times in a row and cost me valuable time, ammo, or one of my precious REs. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 453	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:39:00 - [44] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: "kill them before they switch" thats the point if i don't kill them they switch. stop defending a broken game mechanic with your broken logic so you can hope to keep exploiting a broken game mechanic dawg. no way to counter it im not asking for it to be changed to make killing them easier i'm asking for it to be changed so that it is balanced It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. what's not fair about that? you say its a terrible idea i say your logic is terrible and that you're a bad poster also this is nothing like the change to RR i agree the nerf to it was far too excessive the spool time is too damn high and the 4x kick was a better choice but still it too was too damn high i'm making ideas and solutions and trying to have a constructive discussion about broken game mechanics but your just making bad post and trolling and you never provided a solution you attacked my english when you quite clearly were able to understand what i wrote and you gave me a straw man argument Insulting me does not make you correct. "if I don't kill them, they switch." This would be your own fault, another way is to simply hide and wait, wait until they leave and come from behind later. (I mean something like this: The red I was chasing is in the supply depot, I should run around the corner, or upstairs.) "Stop defending a broken game mechanics with your broken logic so you can keep exploiting it." So now you accuse me? I rarely use supply depots and when I do it takes around 2-5s for me to switch. "[There is] no way to counter it. I'm not asking for it to be changed to make killing them easier, I'm asking for it to be changed so that it is balanced." I... I don't even have words for this right now... No way to counter it? I gave you two ways to counter it and you try to say 'No way to counter it'? You are asking to have an easier time killing your target! No, I guess you could just be staring at the red the whole time! "You say it is a terrible idea, I say your logic is terrible and you are a bad poster " Insulting me again huh? Just because you put this () does not mean you are correct. "Also nothing like the change to [the] RR, I agree it was far too excessive." At last, there is one thing we agree on. "I'm making ideas and solutions and trying to have a constructive discussion about broken game mechanics, but your just making bad post and trolling." I did that a few times, nobody cared so I stopped... Bad posts and trolling? You must be getting tired of the same old insult, but wait you accuse me of trolling when I try to tell you how you are wrong. I wonder if you will argue that I'm a bad poster again... Yes, I could [barely] understand what you wrote, but it had been crudely written. You want a solution to bad English? Learn more about English grammar. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 78	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:10:00 - [45] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Clone Alpha, You make a very good point about supply depots and I support your suggestion. thankyou Leadfoot o7
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 78	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:13:00 - [46] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: The most irritating exploit is swapping suits multiple times in a fight to refill armor. I'm OK with it if you want to put away your swarm launcher and then actually try to fight, but annoyed when you switch multiple times in a row and cost me valuable time, ammo, or one of my precious REs. a cool down on switching would be good say 5 seconds after you decloak so as not to be a pain if you selected the wrong suit
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 344	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:25:00 - [47] - Quote I think it should be only possible to switch suits, if the suit is at full health. If he's not, you loose said suit. Same with equipment, if you deploy stuff in the field, it should be taken from your assets. So no free EQ spam anymore. This means, that if you refill your hives or uplinks/remotes/proxies at a supply depot, you will loose one of each from your assets. This would instantly reduce EQ Spam, since it would make it much more expensive to spam equipment! Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1848	Posted - 2014.11.24 23:32:00 - [48] - Quote Here's my rough idea idea on how to fix it. Thumb Green wrote: Supply depots have long been a broken mechanic allowing people to not only switch to a suit with 100% health but also granting them temporary invincibility after they switch suits. Most of the time this isn't much of an issue because people are using it to legitimately switch suits or heal up after a fight. It's during a fight that this becomes an issue where people that are about to die can quickly switch suits and become invincible for a few moments which is usually long enough for them to kill the person that was about to kill them and it also gives them an edge against anyone else that is there. My first suggestion is to remove the copy & pasted spawn mechanic used for switching suits so that there is no period that a player is unable to take damage after switching suits. My second suggestion is to make it so that after switching suits you only have 25-50% of that suit's armor and no shields depending on suit type.Of course this would unfairly penalize people that are legitimately switching suits, especially those without armor reps. Which is why I also propose that after switching suits a players gains 5 or so armor reps per second depending on the suit until the difference is repped. So say a scout suit has 366 armor but after switching, it starts with 183 armor and begins repping itself until it has repped 183 points of armor; but a heavy suit with 1195 armor would start with 298 armor and would rep itself until 897 points of armor have been repped. This also should take into account any other reps (rep tool, hives, and modules) so that heavy couldn't get repped up by a logi and then have magic reps for a bit. If it's possible for this to only apply when an enemy is within a certain distance of the supply depot then that would work out great as well. (I'm not sure how much of this would require a client side update) On a side note, it's always interesting to see who comes out to defend this broken mechanic. Usually the same people that defend other broken things in this game. Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2266	Posted - 2014.11.25 00:17:00 - [49] - Quote I agree, but I have used the supply depot to switch suits in fights. The reason is, if I am firing at you and your not taking damage, I will switch suits to see if it is a bug or me. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1169	Posted - 2014.11.25 00:29:00 - [50] - Quote My issue with the suit swap is the few seconds of invulnerability that leads to a huge advantage. When swapping suits there should be a simple charge up time of the suits' shields and armor. I think this would be easiest to implement as it already starts from zero then fills up tho very quickly.

CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 79	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:15:00 - [51] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: On a side note, it's always interesting to see who comes out to defend this broken mechanic. Usually the same people that defend other broken things in this game. you noticed that too huh lolz
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 79	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:16:00 - [52] - Quote calvin b wrote: I agree, but I have used the supply depot to switch suits in fights. The reason is, if I am firing at you and your not taking damage, I will switch suits to see if it is a bug or me. its not you and its not a bug its lag d00d
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1339	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:18:00 - [53] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: Zindorak wrote: It's a double edge sword for me. I like that i can use it but i hate when others use it against me so removal of the double edged sword is in order then so you and others can't exploit it right it can't be used against you and you won't feel like a scum bag any more cause you can't use it :) yea it is scrubby Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Winmatar Knivez Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:23:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Agreed. It's just ridiculous that a scout can run away to a supply depot and switch to a sentinel at full HP and mow down his pursuers because he's losing a fight. Why chase him to a supply depot then if you know this can happen?
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 79	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:50:00 - [55] - Quote Winmatar Knivez wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Agreed. It's just ridiculous that a scout can run away to a supply depot and switch to a sentinel at full HP and mow down his pursuers because he's losing a fight. Why chase him to a supply depot then if you know this can happen? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question your post is rated 1/10
Albyat Tyre Glitched Connection 70	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:51:00 - [56] - Quote Maybe they make it like it is now to recall a tank. If you are outgunned, too bad, you lose the suit. Just like a tank when someone tries to recall a damaged one. To live as one shall live, I prefer killing red dots.
CLONE ALPHA 001 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 79	Posted - 2014.11.25 01:58:00 - [57] - Quote RayRay James wrote: My god... I can't believe that this thread exists. Lets just remove suits, weapons, vehicles, turrets, CRUs and supply depots and turn this into Hello Kitty 514 This thread is an embarrassment https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 460	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:00:00 - [58] - Quote So Clone is still ignoring my post? AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12025	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:31:00 - [59] - Quote I hate this exploit with all of my hate "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 460	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:39:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate Well the DEV has spoken, this is a exploit! I hope it will be dealt with in a way that doesn't promote using armour tanking to get past it. good luck AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.



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