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sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:39:00 - [1] - Quote How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:52:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:04:00 - [4] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Cat Merc wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. once the switch they have a spawn shield until they move or its timer runs out if they run around to other side its hard to shoot through solid objects also stop making excuses for bad mechanics Oh, in that case my advice of 'kill them before they can change' still applies. If he/she runs behind it? wait, hide if you must. I do not see this as a problem at all, you have ways to counter it, but you ask for it to be changed so you may kill them easier? I say it is a terrible idea. It's like the last changes made to the RR to make it useless in it's optimal range. I'm not making excuses, you are, I simply gave you a solution. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:06:00 - [5] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... hard to take you seriously when you attack my english on a forum that has ppl posting from all over the world some who don't speak english as a first language This is a forum for English, therefore I believe it should be spoken. It is not my first language, Swedish is my first. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 450	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:16:00 - [6] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: I believe is a way to fight (not good, not bad) and that is ok to change suit according to the target, but I do understand what you are saying too, so, just an idea, we should be able to change suits at any moment, but the x% damage done to the first suit should be pass to the second suit. So, if an assault is fighting a tank and he needs to change to AV, and the tank took away 75% armor and 100% shield, the next AV fitting, be it a sentinel, a commando or even scout and logistic, shouldnt have shields and only 25% armor left. Just an idea. very decent idea but then again if i strip your 800 hp of shields from your cal commando with my SR and you have 100% armor then you swap to an amarr sentinel with an hmg i now have to deal with you 1200 armor hp and i have a SR so yeh im screwed right lol EDIT: what if total hp of first suit was converted to a percentage and then applied to new suit? If a scout with 100 shield/200 armor switches to a heavy, then the heavy should have 100 shield/200 armor ; If a 10 shield/500 armor heavy switches to that scout, then it should have 10 shield and full (200) armor. In my case I'd have 20 shields and 81 armour. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 453	Posted - 2014.11.24 18:39:00 - [7] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: "kill them before they switch" thats the point if i don't kill them they switch. stop defending a broken game mechanic with your broken logic so you can hope to keep exploiting a broken game mechanic dawg. no way to counter it im not asking for it to be changed to make killing them easier i'm asking for it to be changed so that it is balanced It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. what's not fair about that? you say its a terrible idea i say your logic is terrible and that you're a bad poster also this is nothing like the change to RR i agree the nerf to it was far too excessive the spool time is too damn high and the 4x kick was a better choice but still it too was too damn high i'm making ideas and solutions and trying to have a constructive discussion about broken game mechanics but your just making bad post and trolling and you never provided a solution you attacked my english when you quite clearly were able to understand what i wrote and you gave me a straw man argument Insulting me does not make you correct. "if I don't kill them, they switch." This would be your own fault, another way is to simply hide and wait, wait until they leave and come from behind later. (I mean something like this: The red I was chasing is in the supply depot, I should run around the corner, or upstairs.) "Stop defending a broken game mechanics with your broken logic so you can keep exploiting it." So now you accuse me? I rarely use supply depots and when I do it takes around 2-5s for me to switch. "[There is] no way to counter it. I'm not asking for it to be changed to make killing them easier, I'm asking for it to be changed so that it is balanced." I... I don't even have words for this right now... No way to counter it? I gave you two ways to counter it and you try to say 'No way to counter it'? You are asking to have an easier time killing your target! No, I guess you could just be staring at the red the whole time! "You say it is a terrible idea, I say your logic is terrible and you are a bad poster " Insulting me again huh? Just because you put this () does not mean you are correct. "Also nothing like the change to [the] RR, I agree it was far too excessive." At last, there is one thing we agree on. "I'm making ideas and solutions and trying to have a constructive discussion about broken game mechanics, but your just making bad post and trolling." I did that a few times, nobody cared so I stopped... Bad posts and trolling? You must be getting tired of the same old insult, but wait you accuse me of trolling when I try to tell you how you are wrong. I wonder if you will argue that I'm a bad poster again... Yes, I could [barely] understand what you wrote, but it had been crudely written. You want a solution to bad English? Learn more about English grammar. AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 460	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:00:00 - [8] - Quote So Clone is still ignoring my post? AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 460	Posted - 2014.11.25 03:39:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate Well the DEV has spoken, this is a exploit! I hope it will be dealt with in a way that doesn't promote using armour tanking to get past it. good luck AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 462	Posted - 2014.11.25 04:44:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead Uh oh. We're not going to see low self-esteem Rattati, are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHbNU9WuVgw I wonder how long it will take for at least 3 people to like that post. DO NOT IGNORE MY SIG!

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 482	Posted - 2014.11.25 20:15:00 - [11] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... Hard to take you seriously when you want to dismiss a valid and long-running issue because OP doesn't care about grammar. stupid blueberry is bestberry thanks bud :D I apologise for if you have already, but are you still ignoring my posts? I mean I gave reasons around the 'problem' and a idea for a fix since everyone wanted to fix something I never see. (which server are you guys on anyway?) Yet you seemed to just ignore my posts. (Basically I used /some\ reason to combat her 'you're stupid so I'm right' argument.) Also your original idea would promote armour tanking for it, meaning you will be making it worse. I proposed an idea, it would make the person switching have to wait until invincibility went down to even move. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 503	Posted - 2014.11.26 15:31:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate It's not an exploit. It's bad game design. If it was an exploit, the player would be using something that was clearly unintentional and bypassing safeguards through a glitch or loophole of some sort. Your team put zero safeguards against it. Zero. Bad game design. So let's not shift the blame to the players by calling it an exploit. Instead, throw your co-worker under the bus :) agreed but I will just blame myself instead GUYS LOOK WHAT YOUVE DONE! ALL THIS COMPLAINING IS MAKING RATTATI FEEL THE BLUES! MAKE HIM HAPPY! SACRIFICE A GOAT IN HIS NAME! 2 BUNNIES AND A CAT TOO! I volunteer Cat Merc for the sacrifice to Rattati. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the Raider Scout's colour.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 529	Posted - 2014.11.27 16:26:00 - [13] - Quote Meknow Intaki wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I hate this exploit with all of my hate What about being able to side step so fast 450 rounds pass right through you with no harm?! Or RE's that can be tossed like a grenade and set off at the perfect time?! (This item should be placed not chucked) I've said that about an RE for 2 months now? Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 586	Posted - 2014.11.28 04:42:00 - [14] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: Viktor Skirov wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: A fix might be "shield and hp % carries over" No!, that won't be of much help, as said above imagine if you're fighting a Caldari Commando who after loosing it's shields and having it's armor undamaged switches to an Amarr sentinel, you'll get killed anyway! deezy dabest wrote: When swapping suits there should be a simple charge up time of the suits' shields and armor. I think this would be easiest to implement as it already starts from zero then fills up tho very quickly. Just listen to this guy! It even makes sense, as the new suit is being built from zero and both shields and armor are being (in shield's case, charging up) created. Remove the invulnerability and add a small cooldown after the suit has began to be build up. That should be a better choice instead of the "Armor/Shield % carries over" Pulls out bolt pistol and shoots down horrible idea no its a bad idea cause i can one shot you after you swap horrible idea actually Is that not the point? It is a way to fix the problem you complain about and it makes sense. I support his solution. (I was the one who didn't want any 'fix' for it.) Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 597	Posted - 2014.11.28 05:01:00 - [15] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: Aria Gomes wrote: I hated when scrubby scouts would run to the depot while I was chasing them. Like you little prick. Changing to your heavy suit or tanked Assault/Scout. You have no honor. i agree with most of this but don't try to use the "honor tank" this isn't ******* Space Samurai 514 Honor holds a place in some people's hearts (or minds) Mine too. Seppuku is still a little too far for me. Samurai were not the only ones to value Honor. Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 617	Posted - 2014.11.28 05:18:00 - [16] - Quote @Clone I'm sorry I have been giving reasons to why this isn't a broken mechanic and ways to stop the 'problem' of people abuse the poor supply depots I thought you'd put aside your hatred for me, stop insulting me, and look at reason. You have yet to respond to me without an insult. Your 'problem' is people switching in combat, if they were to switch in combat they would be easy to kill, thus stopping people from abusing the supply depots. HP carrying over will not, they will just switch to a heavy and mow you down before you can kill them. I have posted an idea, to keep the person in one place for X amount of time, you ignored it. I defend no broken mechanics, I want the best for this game and I love it to death for if I had never played it I'd probably died by my own hands. (BTW thank you CCP... thank you) I argue my point, yes, but to exploit it? no, I don't exploit anything really. I have killed everyone on a map with an RE by accident, I have found glitches that would play to my advantage, but I don't post everywhere on the forums because that will tell everyone about it and it will be abused like all hell. I would like to send a ticket in for 2 glitches I know of that I have used before (only once each time, when I discovered it because I thought 'cool, I found something myself! but this is disgraceful...' then I stop. Can someone tell me how to send a ticket in to get these fixed? both on Ashlands, not going to say where on the forums though. Anyway, stop insulting me. I want the best for this game, I will put aside my hatred for it to improve. Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 638	Posted - 2014.11.28 06:37:00 - [17] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: @ ravenwing firstly it is an exploit and a broken mechanic by definition of the words and in practice. no one with half a brain can deny that. i dont hate you but i think your a troll and i think you're just posting to stir up **** if i insulted you its because you're being a troll. your idea "keep the person in one place for X amount of time" is bad because limbo is bad. to report bugs go here https://dust514.com/user/bugs/create/ if you have hatred for me all i can say is haters gonna hate! I am no troll. I see not one person using these 'exploit' so I assume it is fine. Yes, that was a horrible idea from me... Deezy's idea however makes sense from lore standpoint and also gets rid of this 'exploit' Thanks for the link. Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 638	Posted - 2014.11.28 07:38:00 - [18] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: @ ravenwing firstly it is an exploit and a broken mechanic by definition of the words and in practice. no one with half a brain can deny that. i dont hate you but i think your a troll and i think you're just posting to stir up ** if i insulted you its because you're being a troll. your idea "keep the person in one place for X amount of time" is bad because limbo is bad. to report bugs go here https://dust514.com/user/bugs/create/ if you have hatred for me all i can say is haters gonna hate! I am no troll. I see not one person using these 'exploit' so I assume it is fine. Yes, that was a horrible idea from me... Deezy's idea however makes sense from lore standpoint and also gets rid of this 'exploit' Thanks for the link. dude i was not accusing you personally of using an exploit and as it is now its a thing ppl can do But its an issue and ppl are EXPLOITING it and it needs to be fixed i feel that waiting till you shields a full before you can switch a suit is very fair sice Shield tanks change fast and armor tanks have little shields to charge so tell me do you see an issue with this very simple and elegant solution? as for dezzys idea, i assume this is the one you are talking about. deezy dabest wrote: My issue with the suit swap is the few seconds of invulnerability that leads to a huge advantage. When swapping suits there should be a simple charge up time of the suits' shields and armor. I think this would be easiest to implement as it already starts from zero then fills up tho very quickly. this is bad because you switch then you get one shotted when shield and armor are charging and thats not fair at all. also in vulnerability needs to be removed as it is now i can stand there and continually switch suits for the whole match while the entiere read team is shooting me useing res and tanks and and i will take no damage untill sup. dept. is destroyed now please tell me thats not an exploit!!! I'll start with why deezy has a good point. It will stop people from changing IN COMBAT** you shouldn't have to worry about being shot when changing. Now second. Your idea and why it give advantages to armour tanking (and thus making problem worse) People who use this will simply go around it by armour tanking. shields won't be a problem to armour tankers. armour tankers also are harder to kill than shield tankers. Your idea would promote armour tanking and make the problem worse. Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 640	Posted - 2014.11.28 08:42:00 - [19] - Quote I did not mean that. If I did I'd be saying "You should only change in combat." I use a weapon designed to destroy armour and at proto lvl it still has some trouble with it. switch to AR, go against shield tank, boom I take shields out faster than ever. You seem to promote changing in combat now... this thread was made to stop that problem... Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 641	Posted - 2014.11.28 08:52:00 - [20] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I did not mean that. If I did I'd be saying "You should only change in combat." I use a weapon designed to destroy armour and at proto lvl it still has some trouble with it. switch to AR, go against shield tank, boom I take shields out faster than ever. You seem to promote changing in combat now... this thread was made to stop that problem... man i have no idea wtf you are talking about and i'm almost certain you're doing it on purpose Listen then. If you have to worry about being shot you should not go to change your suit, and thus not have to worry about being shot when you do change your suit. Armour seems to be more resistant than Shields Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 641	Posted - 2014.11.28 08:54:00 - [21] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: maybe you just suck with that gun try getting good. Get gud? since when it 21/2 bad or average? Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 641	Posted - 2014.11.28 09:18:00 - [22] - Quote CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I did not mean that. If I did I'd be saying "You should only change in combat." I use a weapon designed to destroy armour and at proto lvl it still has some trouble with it. switch to AR, go against shield tank, boom I take shields out faster than ever. You seem to promote changing in combat now... this thread was made to stop that problem... man i have no idea wtf you are talking about and i'm almost certain you're doing it on purpose Listen then. If you have to worry about being shot you should not go to change your suit, and thus not have to worry about being shot when you do change your suit. Armour seems to be more resistant than Shields sorry but i've come to the conclusion that your english comprehension is not the best and you seem to missing the point of what i've been saying in the past few post so instead of me getting frustrated and resorting to calling you an idiot which would be rude of me and make me look like an asshat ill just say that i wont be responding to your posts any more sorry dude :\ Shall I put into the simplest form possible? You in fight = no change suit you out of fight = change suit with no worries of being shot. Did that help you? Forum Necromancer lvl 5 prof 5. Sorry, I just brung this long dead thread back from page 101.

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