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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:27:00 -
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It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. |
Louis Domi
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:32:00 -
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Its been an issue for the longest, I brought it up a couple of times (a long while ago) there just doesn't seem to be that many people that care. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19281
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:35:00 -
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Agreed.
It's just ridiculous that a scout can run away to a supply depot and switch to a sentinel at full HP and mow down his pursuers because he's losing a fight.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
RATTATI WHERE IS MY DUEL
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Mikel Arias
Challengers 506
19
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:38:00 -
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I believe is a way to fight (not good, not bad) and that is ok to change suit according to the target, but I do understand what you are saying too, so, just an idea, we should be able to change suits at any moment, but the x% damage done to the first suit should be pass to the second suit. So, if an assault is fighting a tank and he needs to change to AV, and the tank took away 75% armor and 100% shield, the next AV fitting, be it a sentinel, a commando or even scout and logistic, shouldnt have shields and only 25% armor left. Just an idea. |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:41:00 -
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It's a double edge sword for me. I like that i can use it but i hate when others use it against me
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1466
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:46:00 -
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I make it a habit when the depot and CRU turns red to kill it .
That stops anything relating to such from happening .
I've had this done to me before and I just live with it because it's to be expected by those who are smart actually and if you give them enough time to do so .
It could be looked at as an exploit but I just don't see it that way , more like giving someone the opportunity to take advantage of such and it's my job to not allow that .
I just don't have a problem with it but I can understand someone else's gripe .
I think we can be a little to picky trying to regulate everything that goes on in-game instead of actually doing something about it personally , like jihad jeeps , DS ramming , EQ clutter , highly placed spawns , redline snipers and roof-top forges .
It's just silly to me to try to de-legitimize everything that someone does in game that someone else just doesn't like but it could be considered a tactic .
I like the fact that I have to look out for things and the fact that there are actually people who are USING there minds while playing to even thing of some of this stuff .
Exploits are more or less like boosting or suit-imbalance issues or the shooting while cloaked problems where clearly someone is taking advantage of a broken mechanic .
I'm just not into regulating EVERY aspect of game play .
It's going to make this game vanilla and plain , also predictable and it will loose a lot of it's flavor .
I'd rather know that some situations I HAVE to use MY BRAIN and react or counteract someone else's attempt .
Spice of life .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz RISE of LEGION
4128
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:52:00 -
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That's a pretty simple solution and I support it 100 percent.
The other option is to make you reload your weapons as soon as you swap at a depot.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Her Chosen
Grade No.2
65
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:20:00 -
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Easier solution. Swapping takes 3 seconds after new dropsuit is selected.
That's why tankers blow up supply depots |
Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
555
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:23:00 -
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The funniest fact is people having a fit for these situations on top of their fittings.
Take a bow
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
68
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:08:00 -
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Mikel Arias wrote:I believe is a way to fight (not good, not bad) and that is ok to change suit according to the target, but I do understand what you are saying too, so, just an idea, we should be able to change suits at any moment, but the x% damage done to the first suit should be pass to the second suit. So, if an assault is fighting a tank and he needs to change to AV, and the tank took away 75% armor and 100% shield, the next AV fitting, be it a sentinel, a commando or even scout and logistic, shouldnt have shields and only 25% armor left. Just an idea.
very decent idea but then again if i strip your 800 hp of shields from your cal commando with my SR and you have 100% armor then you swap to an amarr sentinel with an hmg i now have to deal with you 1200 armor hp and i have a SR so yeh im screwed right lol
EDIT: what if total hp of first suit was converted to a percentage and then applied to new suit? |
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
68
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:11:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:It's a double edge sword for me. I like that i can use it but i hate when others use it against me
so removal of the double edged sword is in order then so you and others can't exploit it right it can't be used against you and you won't feel like a scum bag any more cause you can't use it :) |
G Felix
240
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:11:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:The funniest fact is people having a fit for these situations on top of their fittings.
*hangs head in shame*
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
416
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:13:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I make it a habit when the depot and CRU turns red to kill it .
That stops anything relating to such from happening .
I've had this done to me before and I just live with it because it's to be expected by those who are smart actually and if you give them enough time to do so .
It could be looked at as an exploit but I just don't see it that way , more like giving someone the opportunity to take advantage of such and it's my job to not allow that .
I just don't have a problem with it but I can understand someone else's gripe .
I think we can be a little to picky trying to regulate everything that goes on in-game instead of actually doing something about it personally , like jihad jeeps , DS ramming , EQ clutter , highly placed spawns , redline snipers and roof-top forges .
It's just silly to me to try to de-legitimize everything that someone does in game that someone else just doesn't like but it could be considered a tactic .
I like the fact that I have to look out for things and the fact that there are actually people who are USING there minds while playing to even think of some of this stuff .
Exploits are more or less like boosting or suit-imbalance issues or the shooting while cloaked problems where clearly someone is taking advantage of a broken mechanic .
I'm just not into regulating EVERY aspect of game play .
It's going to make this game vanilla and plain , also predictable and it will loose a lot of it's flavor .
I'd rather know that some situations I HAVE to use MY BRAIN and react or counteract someone else's attempt .
Spice of life . Vote shinobi CPM
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:39:00 -
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How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill.
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13364
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:43:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:52:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills.
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:53:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I make it a habit when the depot and CRU turns red to kill it . That stops anything relating to such from happening . i hate ppl who indiscriminately kill installs lol DONT DO IT PLZ!!! :D
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:It could be looked at as an exploit but I just don't see it that way , more like giving someone the opportunity to take advantage of such and it's my job to not allow that .
ex-+ploit verb ik-êsploit/ 1. make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource). "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology" synonyms:utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from; informal cash in on "we should exploit this new technology"
noun -êek-îsploit/ 1. a bold or daring feat. "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war" synonyms:feat, deed, act, adventure, stunt, escapade; More 2. a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware. "if someone you don't know tweets you a link, it's either spam, an exploit, or probably both"
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:I think we can be a little to picky trying to regulate everything that goes on in-game instead of actually doing something about it personally , like jihad jeeps , DS ramming , EQ clutter , highly placed spawns , redline snipers and roof-top forges .
1. jihad jeeps: MUST BE REMOVED! AV is overpowered and jihad jeeps are another exploit and tilt AV in to WAY OVER POWERED realm in my opinion this is why when 1.9 hit i immediately spect out of tanks, lavs and derpshits. when re's were "FIXED" so as to stick to red tanks and lavs them sticking to blue vehicles was a side effect that was to be fixed at some point so said some dev as i recall but never happened due to other fixes being deemed 'more important" also shooting them helps since you can hear an lav from across the map. shot RE = mega lolz. i use jihad jeeps as my only form of av btw and i still say remove them even though i don't tank anymore.
2.DS ramming: non issue, Good ds pilots don't get rammed. My advice to ds pilots, Get good, Learn to fly, Don't get rammed.
3.EQ clutter: non issue, 2 words, flux grenade.
4.highly placed spawns: non issue, shoot them when they jump down, get ds fly up n shot uplinkz kay. GG D00d
5.redline snipers: issue, remove redline, problem solved CCP!
6.roof-top forges: non issue. one word, Thale's. GG D00d
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:It's just silly to me to try to de-legitimize everything that someone does in game that someone else just doesn't like but it could be considered a tactic . i have no issues with tactics, only bad mechanics and exploits.
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:54:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Easier solution. Swapping takes 3 seconds after new dropsuit is selected.
That's why tankers blow up supply depots 3 seconds in limbo sounds like a bad idea. sorry :\ |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:57:00 -
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Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts...
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:58:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Cat Merc wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. once the switch they have a spawn shield until they move or its timer runs out if they run around to other side its hard to shoot through solid objects also stop making excuses for bad mechanics |
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13367
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:58:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Cat Merc wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. Well aren't you a special snowflake?
What are you, switching suits directly in front of the enemy? Run around the depot and then switch, the moment you choose a suit, you can't be killed for a few seconds. You can unload half an AR clip before you can take damage.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:00:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... hard to take you seriously when you attack my english on a forum that has ppl posting from all over the world some who don't speak english as a first language |
CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:04:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Its been an issue for the longest, I brought it up a couple of times (a long while ago) there just doesn't seem to be that many people that care. well let's keep talking about it until ccp finds a solution right? |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:04:00 -
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CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Cat Merc wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:How about you kill them while switching? If a scout, you have no excuse not to have time to kill. Except they are invincible when that happens. They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. once the switch they have a spawn shield until they move or its timer runs out if they run around to other side its hard to shoot through solid objects also stop making excuses for bad mechanics Oh, in that case my advice of 'kill them before they can change' still applies. If he/she runs behind it? wait, hide if you must. I do not see this as a problem at all, you have ways to counter it, but you ask for it to be changed so you may kill them easier? I say it is a terrible idea. It's like the last changes made to the RR to make it useless in it's optimal range. I'm not making excuses, you are, I simply gave you a solution.
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:06:00 -
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CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... hard to take you seriously when you attack my english on a forum that has ppl posting from all over the world some who don't speak english as a first language This is a forum for English, therefore I believe it should be spoken. It is not my first language, Swedish is my first.
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
971
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:06:00 -
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supply depot is working as it is, just folk abusing it to gain fll health. there just needs to be a small delay in using it, although that could lead to frustration for folk who make a mistake and need to swap out or get the glitch where if you swap to same logi suit all your equipment disappears
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
proud C-II bpo owner
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Mordecai Snake
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
73
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:10:00 -
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CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:Mikel Arias wrote:I believe is a way to fight (not good, not bad) and that is ok to change suit according to the target, but I do understand what you are saying too, so, just an idea, we should be able to change suits at any moment, but the x% damage done to the first suit should be pass to the second suit. So, if an assault is fighting a tank and he needs to change to AV, and the tank took away 75% armor and 100% shield, the next AV fitting, be it a sentinel, a commando or even scout and logistic, shouldnt have shields and only 25% armor left. Just an idea. very decent idea but then again if i strip your 800 hp of shields from your cal commando with my SR and you have 100% armor then you swap to an amarr sentinel with an hmg i now have to deal with you 1200 armor hp and i have a SR so yeh im screwed right lol EDIT: what if total hp of first suit was converted to a percentage and then applied to new suit? If a scout with 100 shield/200 armor switches to a heavy, then the heavy should have 100 shield/200 armor ; If a 10 shield/500 armor heavy switches to that scout, then it should have 10 shield and full (200) armor. |
sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:16:00 -
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Mordecai Snake wrote:CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:Mikel Arias wrote:I believe is a way to fight (not good, not bad) and that is ok to change suit according to the target, but I do understand what you are saying too, so, just an idea, we should be able to change suits at any moment, but the x% damage done to the first suit should be pass to the second suit. So, if an assault is fighting a tank and he needs to change to AV, and the tank took away 75% armor and 100% shield, the next AV fitting, be it a sentinel, a commando or even scout and logistic, shouldnt have shields and only 25% armor left. Just an idea. very decent idea but then again if i strip your 800 hp of shields from your cal commando with my SR and you have 100% armor then you swap to an amarr sentinel with an hmg i now have to deal with you 1200 armor hp and i have a SR so yeh im screwed right lol EDIT: what if total hp of first suit was converted to a percentage and then applied to new suit? If a scout with 100 shield/200 armor switches to a heavy, then the heavy should have 100 shield/200 armor ; If a 10 shield/500 armor heavy switches to that scout, then it should have 10 shield and full (200) armor. In my case I'd have 20 shields and 81 armour.
AND I BACKED THE FUCK DOWN.
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CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:34:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Except they are invincible when that happens.
They are? that really doesn't explain my deaths while in one, or my kills. once the switch they have a spawn shield until they move or its timer runs out if they run around to other side its hard to shoot through solid objects also stop making excuses for bad mechanics Oh, in that case my advice of 'kill them before they can change' still applies. If he/she runs behind it? wait, hide if you must. I do not see this as a problem at all, you have ways to counter it, but you ask for it to be changed so you may kill them easier? I say it is a terrible idea. It's like the last changes made to the RR to make it useless in it's optimal range. I'm not making excuses, you are, I simply gave you a solution.
"kill them before they switch" thats the point if i don't kill them they switch. stop defending a broken game mechanic with your broken logic so you can hope to keep exploiting a broken game mechanic dawg. no way to counter it im not asking for it to be changed to make killing them easier i'm asking for it to be changed so that it is balanced
CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:It's an issue. My suggestion since all shields recharge, require 100% shields before swapping suits to insure that a merc is not combat swapping. Please discuss. what's not fair about that?
you say its a terrible idea i say your logic is terrible and that you're a bad poster also this is nothing like the change to RR i agree the nerf to it was far too excessive the spool time is too damn high and the 4x kick was a better choice but still it too was too damn high
i'm making ideas and solutions and trying to have a constructive discussion about broken game mechanics but your just making bad post and trolling and you never provided a solution you attacked my english when you quite clearly were able to understand what i wrote and you gave me a straw man argument |
CLONE ALPHA 001
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
69
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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:45:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:CLONE ALPHA 001 wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Also it's hard to take this thread seriously when the OP forgets grammar in half of his/her posts... hard to take you seriously when you attack my english on a forum that has ppl posting from all over the world some who don't speak english as a first language This is a forum for English, therefore I believe it should be spoken. It is not my first language, Swedish is my first. |
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