http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXRM3lFRwRI

It is obviously balanced, the RR now has an effective counter that requires us to have situational awareness, and to prefire at times so get good and you better bring a hive.

Much like our opposing faction the gallente where range is a constant concern the difference is that a RR user is still effective close range where a AR user has no options at long range so it looks to me that RR users still have an obvious advantage... So I would like to alter my earlier statement, the change was a effective way to balance the RR against other weapons, but the RR itself still is at an advantage so it is not balanced.

If they wanted to balance it further they could add much more hipfire kick,restore kick to ads, or increase kick progression.

so we balance weapon based on popularity now? well what if the reason for the RR's popularity was because everyone simply liked the sound of it? do you nerf the sound effects? what if color made if popular? do we change the color?

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Keep the rail rifle profile as is and introduce a more suitable bonus to the caldari assault suit that decreases charge time per level... give us loyalists a proper racial bonus for our rifle damnit.

Ahh yes now the RR needs some skill to operate unlike the previous RRs

I agree. The most common weapon by far used to be RR, and I'm happy to be seeing other weapons (namely ACR and ScR) being used, but in all honesty there are still tons of RR's in most matches I play- even the CQC matches.

Compensating for kick takes skill. What the RR requires right now is precognition in order to know where your target will be in 0.6 seconds.

Cool idea, sounds similar to the heat damage Amarr Assault bonus. I like this !

I think of the Charge time as cocking the gun before you shoot it. But all weapons should have flaws. Ar has range and damage excluding the BrAR. RR CHarge time and Kick, CR damage and bullets per clip and ScR heat buildup and only good on Amarr Assault

Misquoting a dev is a bannable offense

Rather high and mighty there aren't you.

not to mention that the ScR can kill you before you can fire a round. RR on caldari... i see Scr and i HAVE to run or i die.

ScR is what? +700 dps? plus 20% against shields. even if you bricked your shield on caldari assault, itd still kill you in one second unless you dual tank with plates. you cant run a racial fit against it. now look at the RR charge up time. in that first second, youll be doingwhat? 100 dps? aginst shields too most likely so youre looking at 90 damage vs +700 dps. this is at ALL ranges too lol. so yea... theres a huge balancing problem there.

Yes, but do you have any idea of how much a person can do in 0.6 in an FPS game?

good point it should be lowered to .4

or .3
I'm fine with four, but 6? nope

after testing it .6 is too long but i like listening to that whirr

You're looking at guns in a vaccuum, and that is doomed to be a flawed perspective. You're not going to land every hit by mashing the trigger button on an ScR and it is likely to blast heat in your face if you decide to do that. That range statement is false- RR has best range, and there are times in my Amarr Commando where I can't hit the RR users because of that. As for the fact that ScR eats shields, the Amarrians could whine that my Minmatar Assault easily kills them with ACR while managing to be much more agile and thus able to escape when situations go bad. Just what DO you put in those Cal low slots? Kincats and cardiacs? If so, then you know why scramblers eat you up.

My next statement has great relevance to Fox's "precognition" AND your "first second" calculations:
That situation where you are 100% caught off-guard is a losing situation with almost any other weapon in the game, which means you aren't looking at the enemy shooting you. It takes time to turn and find that enemy, then aim with any gun and that will prevent other weapons from being strictly superior to the RR. Going along with this, scanning is extremely powerful at the moment (as are heavies) so I would expect RR popularity to decrease once that gets nerfed because (in the eyes of one who loves Minmatar Scout) everyone DOES have precognition.

If DUST literally had 1 dimension and time vs 3 and time, then I would take what you said completely seriously. Also, while a lot can happen in one second, this game is awesome to me because it has strategy over a longer period than fractions of a second. That is more enjoyable to me than who hits the trigger first, in, say, Destiny. I swear, even if you suck at aiming in that game, everything gets headshots and that bothers me.

Meh, I wanna edit my post over and over but I'm just gonna put it out and see how it goes over.

the issue is that because the RR has lower dps than other rifles, you have to shoot first everytime. you cant even win if you both start shooting at the same time because the RR has a delay. so everyone else gets a head start in the dps race and RR is the slowest of all. you cant win.

the RR has the best range but you have to sacrifice sustained fire to take advantage of it. the kick and recoil wont let get accurate hits at range beyond the ScR. and at those ranges, the Scr can simply charge shot you. so neither weapon will get perfect hits but the hits coming from the ScR rquired to kill me a far less than the number to kill me

as a disclaimer im only talking about racial fits

So, in terms of racial fits, do you fit your assault like so-

Assault C/1-series! (just advanced, not proto)

HIGHS: 2x Proto Extender, Adv Energizer, Adv Light Weapon Enhancer
LOWS: Proto Shield Regulator, Proto Reactive Plate
Light Weapon - Rail RIfle
Sidearm - Magsec (I prefer this one, you can use Bolt if you like but it's silly considering you're weak CQC)
Equipment - Nanite Injector/Nanohive

99% of the time I'd want Nanite injector, but if you know the match will become a camping session, better set up that tent properly, yeah?

Anyways, that fit gives you 3-4s delay for roughly 49 HP/s recharge, so your entire shield bar comes back in 14s after being fully depleted, and you're allowed to bleed a little armor damage here and there. TBH if the enemy comes near, you'll want to use the Magsec anyways for its higher DPS alone, not counting its lower kick and spool-up time.

I can't tell you how many times I've died with a 900 EHP Amarr Commando suit in about a second to a single scout with an ACR, or how many times I've been a Min Assault killing a 1k EHP Sentinel with my ACR. This whole "I AM DEAD AND FEEL THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO!" is not specific to just your Cal suit trying to fend off Amarrian laz0rs, just rest easy knowing that plenty of people feel that way when you shoot them dead, too.

As I said- I want the spool time reduced to around 0.4-0.45s, but sometimes I can't resist talking about how truly diverse and interactive the gameplay is, and often will get lost in that.

Rather high and mighty there aren't you.

I am pretty sure he was having a laugh here / trolling a little. I doubt he was being serious.....

Doubt it. People in this thread are deliberately misrepresenting his words and basically trying to rally people to the cause of making him out to be an idiot.

While the dislike of the RR changes is fine, people are deliberately attacking Rattati by misquoting him, using his words out of context and using false information to push their otherwise valid cocerns.

The tactics being used are juvenile, transparent and bluntly insulting to anyone who has tried to leave the schoolyard behind them in their adult life.

This thread holds no value to the community.

And when the people involved are called on this behavior and the fact that they are violating the TOS and they are using patently false information they excuse their bluntly obnoxious behavior with straight asspulls of logic to make everyone else the ones at fault.

Bluntly there are no less than four posters who should have been banned for deliberately misrepresenting the words of the devs to create a riot on the forums.

The fact that they haven't been banned is nothing short of amazing.

Yup. Click my name. Find out everything about me in two pages of responses.

Confirming I never give suggestions, make proposals on PC, Faction Warfare, sentinel balance, AV, ADS nerfs and where they fall apart with recommendations on how to adjust.

I never provide meaningful feedback on logistics or commandos because I'm too busy trolling.

I have never stated that I find the neutering of HAVs detrimental to the game or provided suggestions on how to rebalance forge guns so that the breach and standard are useful at something other than ghetto sniper.

I have never weighed in seriously on the problems inherent to the RR and AR.

Totally never contribute meaningfully to anything ever.

I just occupy myself calling people on their bullsh*t.

Confirming that my commentary has no basis on theinterest in a healthy game or sane community.

By the way, the acknowledgement of misrepresenting Rattati's words and moving along with productive discussion was all that I wanted from this.

You did that. Im done poking at you now.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181932&find=unread

nuff said

So I use the rail, but I'm no ground gamer anymore. My respec has about 95% of my points into tanks. I'd say drop the charge to 3 seconds, and let everything else be. We don't need 10 pages of whining for that do we? Funny how none of you vouched for other rifles like this?! The AR was abysmal for over a year!