DUST Search - Announcement - Skill Cap Clarification

Tesfa Alem wrote:

What are the bad side effects of having a high cap? No reasons given, just a general uneasiness at large numbers.

Devalues old SP? Hell no, it gets rid of the ridiculous SP gap between new and old players, encourages players from just playing for only one or two days. I can play more casusally knowing i can earn WP the entire week and not just be limited to upgrading an item once a month. Most vets already have the entire skill tree of thier choice unlocked. If those guys want to cry about new players they stomp on getting proto gear to fight back faster, let those tears flow. Thats about as elitist as it gets.

SP totals in terms of in game skill mean nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. but when it comes to balancing the progression, this unintentional error was a beatiful first step.

More people were willing to pay more for the boosters, more money for CCP, and keeping this game running.

Keeps new players in the game. and don't worry about proto spam, since the isk paypouts are back to being as crappy as before yesterday, i don't predict alot of proto spam at all.

Plus with the "post level 5" being worked on why not make those insanley SP expensive.

Do it for 30 days and leave until the servers go down at 750 k Cap. You know, you just might end up with everybody, new and vets alike, enjoy all of Dust for once.

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Myron Kundera The Generals 93	Posted - 2014.11.06 17:36:00 - [151] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: What are the bad side effects of having a high cap? No reasons given, just a general uneasiness at large numbers. Devalues old SP? Hell no, it gets rid of the ridiculous SP gap between new and old players, encourages players from just playing for only one or two days. I can play more casusally knowing i can earn WP the entire week and not just be limited to upgrading an item once a month. Most vets already have the entire skill tree of thier choice unlocked. If those guys want to cry about new players they stomp on getting proto gear to fight back faster, let those tears flow. Thats about as elitist as it gets. SP totals in terms of in game skill mean nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. but when it comes to balancing the progression, this unintentional error was a beatiful first step. More people were willing to pay more for the boosters, more money for CCP, and keeping this game running. Keeps new players in the game. and don't worry about proto spam, since the isk paypouts are back to being as crappy as before yesterday, i don't predict alot of proto spam at all. Plus with the "post level 5" being worked on why not make those insanley SP expensive. Do it for 30 days and leave until the servers go down at 750 k Cap. You know, you just might end up with everybody, new and vets alike, enjoy all of Dust for once. You sir, are full of truth. Here, have a like. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Deus Ops Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:01:00 - [152] - Quote 750 no 180 or maybe hmm.. let me think no yes no yes, buf nerf yyy shield or armor. same **** every time blabla, glad I did not bought aur, I was so close to waste money.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 631	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:36:00 - [153] - Quote Epic fail on the part of the CPM not bringing this to your attention earlier. Or did they just think it was OK? (WTF Soraya??) but yeah, live and learn. One month is no biggie but after that definitely drop it down to what you originally intended. If it went on it would destroy the distinctions between long time veterans, noobs, and everyone in between, which feeds into a lot of vital aspects of community, such as diversity. It would also erase any semblance of gradual progression for those that go for the cap with boosters consistently, robbing them of the enjoyment of character progression over time--crafting your guy, getting that skill you've been waiting for. You don't want to let newer players get to the endgame too fast. Not too slow either, but there should be a ride for them to enjoy. Up to now the ride has been too slow, but 750,000 with boosters is too fast. What you originally had in mind seems about right. Another problem with the 750,000 cap is that a number of tryhard addictive personality types will crack out and burn out on DUST. It's not healthy. And yes, I have to admit, I do want it to matter that it took me 1.5+ years to get to 40 mil SP. That should earn me some advantage over those who have invested less time. More than that, though, I want newer players to catch up enough to be competitive. The new (intended) system gives them this chance. This month of 750,000 works out perfectly then actually. It's basically a month long event enabling players to take a huge leap in SP. That's honestly needed for the 20 mil and less crowd, and guys like me can't abuse it (A new proto suit. Woohoo!), so even when you screw up you're doing the right thing! This does push up the need for new high level skills a bit, but honestly even at 42 mil SP I could spend another 10 just on variety. Oh and then there's vehicles. Lol add a few new SP sinks and we're golden. And though now the community is growing it's still small enough that lack of parity imbalances a lot of matches. Competition in pubs--and therefore fun--should get an infusion after this month.
13ear 282	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:41:00 - [154] - Quote Was the cap supposed to be reset today? I only seem to have 553k SP remaining til I'm capped, was any SP we earned yesterday deducted from the 750k cap for this week? One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings - Diogenes Winner of EU Squad Cup
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1493	Posted - 2014.11.06 18:51:00 - [155] - Quote 13ear wrote: Was the cap supposed to be reset today? I only seem to have 553k SP remaining til I'm capped, was any SP we earned yesterday deducted from the 750k cap for this week? Good question, yesterday I urged CCP to inform players about the extra reset / cap amendment. But I guess the bulk of this original clarification post is the only source. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 821	Posted - 2014.11.06 21:30:00 - [156] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: 13ear wrote: Was the cap supposed to be reset today? I only seem to have 553k SP remaining til I'm capped, was any SP we earned yesterday deducted from the 750k cap for this week? Good question, yesterday I urged CCP to inform players about the extra reset / cap amendment. But I guess the bulk of this original clarification post is the only source. CCP? Communicate? With the players? Oh dear, you must be joking. Also, 13ear, ONLY 553k? Oh noes, whatever shall you do? Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game RUST415 194	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:09:00 - [157] - Quote Maybe he need inertia dampner proof 5. I' m looking for it on my alt: it s amazing ! The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep". TheD1ck is on the table fan club
13ear 283	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:39:00 - [158] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: 13ear wrote: Was the cap supposed to be reset today? I only seem to have 553k SP remaining til I'm capped, was any SP we earned yesterday deducted from the 750k cap for this week? Good question, yesterday I urged CCP to inform players about the extra reset / cap amendment. But I guess the bulk of this original clarification post is the only source. CCP? Communicate? With the players? Oh dear, you must be joking. Also, 13ear, ONLY 553k? Oh noes, whatever shall you do? I'm hurt that you would assume the above query was made out of self interest, I simply believe that CCP should stay true to their word & reset the cap for those of us who played yesterday. The fact that I stand to gain the most from said reset is irrelevant. So cynical One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings - Diogenes Winner of EU Squad Cup
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 635	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:55:00 - [159] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, I need to write this to explain the 1.9 Weekly Skill Cap implementation and its intent and design. When we first discussed the possibility of stacking boosters and raising the skill cap, with the CPM, I honestly thought that the skill cap was a fixed number that was achieved faster by equipping boosters. Yeah, I just never did the math on the EOM screen, donGÇÿt think I ever capped out anyway, more than half of my 35 million SP is probably passive booster SP. Sincerely CCP Rattati Respect for owning up to your mistake. Would have been nice to see CPM pick up the error on this one prior to deployment and perhaps accept responsibility for their failure to do so. I am curious though, you say that half of your SP is from passive boosters so obviously were aware as to how passive boosters worked. Where is the logic in thinking active boosters worked differently? "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1227	Posted - 2014.11.07 01:44:00 - [160] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Maybe do this once a month? Change the cap to 300k for 3 weeks then for 1 week have it 750k This will make it less extreme cos 750 k is enough to get a weapon to proficiency 2, its just an idea :) ilike that Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)

TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 53	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:11:00 - [161] - Quote Regardless thank you for the chance to unlock additional skills.
DRE PrEaCh Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2014.11.09 07:59:00 - [162] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: With the 750k SP I will never be close to cap. But let's see if the hardcore players will cap. Ahhhh, I'm gonna give it a shot on Monday, I think I should be able to cap from downtime to downtime. Triple Omega's HERE I COME lol
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.11.09 08:52:00 - [163] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Most vets already have the entire skill tree of thier choice unlocked. If those guys want to cry about new players they stomp on getting proto gear to fight back faster, let those tears flow. Thats about as elitist as it gets. Agreed. Full proto squads comprised of players who are actually good should welcome the challenge of a more interesting fight, so there should be no problem. GöÇGòñGòªn++ Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting. n++GòªGòñGöÇ
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10192	Posted - 2014.11.09 08:58:00 - [164] - Quote And this is how you turn a negative into a positive. Good job. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 975	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:25:00 - [165] - Quote B-F M wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Most vets already have the entire skill tree of thier choice unlocked. If those guys want to cry about new players they stomp on getting proto gear to fight back faster, let those tears flow. Thats about as elitist as it gets. Agreed. Full proto squads comprised of players who are actually good should welcome the challenge of a more interesting fight, so there should be no problem. But then they won't be good any more! Try again :-p You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1997	Posted - 2014.11.10 14:45:00 - [166] - Quote Ugg grinding 750k sp is stupid. I'm glad it was a mistake. Now with more evil.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 976	Posted - 2014.11.11 08:43:00 - [167] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Ugg grinding 750k sp is stupid. I'm glad it was a mistake. Yeah I feel like I've been playing as much as I can, a lot of the weekend, and still got 400K to go. Sure I have a 1 KDR lol but still... You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 251	Posted - 2014.11.11 08:49:00 - [168] - Quote I have not been playing that much, but I think they should keep it if I still had that tryhard fire it would give me something to strive for ehh and possibly re ignite mine. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1549	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:02:00 - [169] - Quote Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8434	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:32:00 - [170] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... Cap can stay as far as I'm concerned. It's super freaking hard to cap out. Let the new bros keep catching up. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1564	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:24:00 - [171] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... Cap can stay as far as I'm concerned. It's super freaking hard to cap out. Let the new bros keep catching up. And us heavy grinders keep on pushing forward with full throttle? Rattati, please, a word on this if this is gonna go back, get otherwise reduced or stay as new norm. PLEASE give some info! People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 98	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:40:00 - [172] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... Cap can stay as far as I'm concerned. It's super freaking hard to cap out. Let the new bros keep catching up. And us heavy grinders keep on pushing forward with full throttle? Rattati, please, a word on this if this is gonna go back, get otherwise reduced or stay as new norm. PLEASE give some info! I'm curious to know also *ScReWeD uP InC* *Recruit BPO's*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5401	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:40:00 - [173] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... Cap can stay as far as I'm concerned. It's super freaking hard to cap out. Let the new bros keep catching up. And us heavy grinders keep on pushing forward with full throttle? Rattati, please, a word on this if this is gonna go back, get otherwise reduced or stay as new norm. PLEASE give some info! I've failed to cap out fewer than 10 times since the reset before open beta up until 1.9. The closest I got to capping out was 400K remaining in bonus SP. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3865	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:09:00 - [174] - Quote You lost me.. But I saw an sp and increase somewhere in there, +1 =ƒÿç Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1634	Posted - 2014.12.25 16:28:00 - [175] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Quoting CCP Rattati: " However, we then reserve our right to reduce the Skill Cap after 30 days if deemed necessary, with a weeks notice or so, so players will understand fully how the Skill Cap will affect their purchasing decisions." Any news on this? Tomorrow will be full four weeks after 1.9, and the super-duper-extended skill cap. Please reduce it at 1.10 deployment at the latest. You still have the week's notice time here... Cap can stay as far as I'm concerned. It's super freaking hard to cap out. Let the new bros keep catching up. And us heavy grinders keep on pushing forward with full throttle? Rattati, please, a word on this if this is gonna go back, get otherwise reduced or stay as new norm. PLEASE give some info! I'm curious to know also We need CCP comments on this. We are three weeks overdue that initially announced month! People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2338	Posted - 2014.12.25 16:46:00 - [176] - Quote Considering it is three weeks "past due" and Rattati already said they'd change it with a weeks notice, I thi no its safe to assume this is the new norm. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
AndyAndio 0uter.Heaven 115	Posted - 2014.12.25 19:21:00 - [177] - Quote Thats why we cant have nice things, personally i havent capped in like 6 months, but all the virgins in this game will do anything to break the game and take some advantage, GG CCP.- 2013 DUST 514's MVP of the Year.- Retired for Love of the Game
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1635	Posted - 2014.12.25 19:27:00 - [178] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Considering it is three weeks "past due" and Rattati already said they'd change it with a weeks notice, I thi no its safe to assume this is the new norm. That is what is on my mind too. Hoping that it would not be the case - BUT no matter what the answer, we should be given one. Heck, I want to know because, amongst other reasons, so that I know when to spend my winter holiday weeks. =F People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2014.12.25 19:27:00 - [179] - Quote 1. Enjoy it while it lasts
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1804	Posted - 2014.12.25 22:15:00 - [180] - Quote They said they will monitor it and see how it goes before changing anything. At which time they will give us warning. As a none capper it makes no difference to me. And more sp doesn't make much difference to anyone once you find your perfect role and cap out in it like I have. If anything this is a blessing in disguise because its allowing newer players to catch upto the vets and start competing much earlier. Which gives us all better pub fights. Seems like there are fewer completely useless players these days. I say keep the cap. If someone wants to put all that time in then let them. All Hail Legion



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